Japanese and American Reaction to Disaster

[girk1]

I wish that you would not put words in my mouth.
Please re-read my post. I have not mentioned either disaster in it, nor have I explicitly defended the OP. I have said that his post was thought provoking, which it has been - there has been a lot of discussion provoked by it to prove my point there.

I will also repeat the main tenet of my post "In times of disaster does our culture teach us to look out for ourselves and our own families to the expense of others, or do we band together to try and help all of our neighbours?"

You accuse me of being so crass as to say that people commandeering boats to help others are stealing, this is blatantly not the case. I have only posed a question, I have not actually given a solid opinion, however in this particular case, I will say that using available equipment for relief and help of victims during a disaster is not looting. Taking food from flooded/abandoned shops to feed people is not looting. Taking clothing to ensure that people are kept warm is not looting. Taking a TV set, an MP3 player, a cell phone - that is looting. Taking goods that are of no immediate use to the abatement of the suffering of disaster victims is looting.

Thought provoking discussion ,from the op, about Katrina victims committing murders when it is absolutely untrue?:dunno:

That 's like having thought provoking discussions about Obama's worldview considering he may have been born outside the US, raised a Musilm in Kenya, & schooled in Madrassa's.

What thought provoking discussions can one have when the whole premise is based upon a lie? Those "thought provoking" Obama Birther discussions are based upon a lie.

What "thought provoking" discussions can be had about how the CIA/Us Government orchestrated 9/11 by imploding the World Trade Center to justify the War on Terror & infringe upon our individual rights in the U.S. ?

Good Luck having a "thought provoking" discussion with 9/11 Truthers when there whole premise is based upon something other than FACTS.


Having thought provoking discussions about Katrina & how the victims commited murders(according to the OP), riots/chaos & indiscriminate shooting of Police & emergency personnel is impossible. The very idea that those things happened have been proven completely false by Cops/NAtional Guard & evacuees so it is impossible to have a thought provoking discussion when the entire premise is false.

:horse:

 

[larss]

^^ Did the OP's post make you think? Yes or No

If No, then why did you post anything?

If Yes, then the OP's post was thought provoking.

Why the rant? :dunno:

 

[robsfaves]

have you seen their porn?

Isn't that what this site's about anyways?

 

[qiinson]

^^ Did the OP's post make you think? Yes or No

If No, then why did you post anything?

If Yes, then the OP's post was thought provoking.

Why the rant? :dunno:

Yes it's thought provoking in more ways than I think you realise. It seems like an innocent question but I'm sure it isn't.

You still can't see the gorilla the "centrist" has put in the room.
Take a few moments to get to know trident. He's quite good but not good enough. :2 cents:

Read Jaggers replies starting from this post and you should get a handle on our trident. Then come back and you just might spot the gorilla or maybe not. :ak47:

 

[ragincaucasian]

^^ Did the OP's post make you think? Yes or No

If No, then why did you post anything?

If Yes, then the OP's post was thought provoking.

Why the rant? :dunno:

No. Google 'why no looters' and see page after page of message boards repeating the same narrative the op tried to advance

Why post? Because it is a false dichotomy. Why post in a thread where someo ne says the moon landing was staged?

Why rant? Because the OP has yet to substantiate, qualify, or further articulate the claim made. Writing 2 sentences doesn't make it so. What are YOU even attempting to defend here?

 

[Ulysses31]

Early hope: Eto'o celebrates Inter's first goal against Batern Munich in last night's Champions League game with his Japanese team-mate Yuto Nagatomo

Inter's Yuto Nagatomo of Japan carries a flag of his country after winning the Champions League round of 16 second leg soccer match between FC Bayern Munich and Inter Milan in Munich, southern Germany, on Tuesday, March 15, 2010
http://www.dlcache.indiatimes.com/imageserve/0ddK5D403ye3r/x350.jpg

 

[girk1]

^^ Did the OP's post make you think? Yes or No

If No, then why did you post anything?

If Yes, then the OP's post was thought provoking.

Why the rant? :dunno:

There is nothing thought provoking about a discussion based in falsehoods which I gave legitmate links disproving claims of Katrina survivors(minus the scavenging for food/looting) behavior after the storm.

HAving a discussion questioning "Whether the Holocaust happened & why we don't really question it?" will get way more attention /responses . Doesn't make it "thought provoking" though .

Only makes it offensive to people who know that this is a discussion not based upon the facts(Unless it some neo nazis who wants a 'thought provoking' discussion about it).

Just like there is really nothing throught provoking about discussions about the validity of Obama's citizenship (Birthers) or denying planes took down the World Trade Center( Truthers) when the facts just don't support what they are saying.

According to the LA NAtional Guard, NOPD & other Cops, having the misfortune of being stranded in N.O. during Katrina , most of these stories out of Katrina were false & it was actually very stable onsidering the mass of people abandoned.

I posted legitimate links disputing the ill informed reports about Katrina.

No. Google 'why no looters' and see page after page of message boards repeating the same narrative the op tried to advance

Why post? Because it is a false dichotomy. Why post in a thread where someo ne says the moon landing was staged?

Why rant? Because the OP has yet to substantiate, qualify, or further articulate the claim made. Writing 2 sentences doesn't make it so. What are YOU even attempting to defend here?

After 6 years you get tired of the same old misinformation being spread on the internet & googling ' Katrina looting' which inevitably leads you to some Neo Nazi website:1orglaugh

Especially when you lived & breathed the story(Metairie) for months during that time.


I wasn't as upset that some people were 'scavenging for diapers,food,clothing, etc... from Wal MArts/Supermarkets , but no one is denying that a VERY small few(out of TENS of THOUSANDS of people around 80- 100 thousand allegedly) participated & even less taking other things not necessary for survival.

Those with agendas pretend to be more concerned about the 'looting' than Wal Mart was.

Odd that he is questioning others who have given actual evidence from the LA Guard/NOPD & other Law Enforcement personnel stuck in N.O. & not some misinformation based upon early unsubstantiated reports from Katrina.

 

[beauregard]

The army had to be brought in after the quake in Chile to restore peace.
Hoodlums looted after the recent floods in Britain.

Its not just American low-lifes looting, its most of the freaking world would loot if they had a chance. Some cultures look down on looting like its a sacred offense, therefore you don't see a lot of it.

 

[CunningStunts]

The army had to be brought in after the quake in Chile to restore peace.
Hoodlums looted after the recent floods in Britain.

Its not just American low-lifes looting, its most of the freaking world would loot if they had a chance. Some cultures look down on looting like its a sacred offense, therefore you don't see a lot of it.

Very true.

Good article for some perspective...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/why_the_japanese_arent_looting.html

 

[Trident1]

Read Jaggers replies starting from this post and you should get a handle on our trident. Then come back and you just might spot the gorilla or maybe not. :ak47:

He also said this thread was a very good topic.




I'm asking how the two cultures, one American and the other Japanese, cope(d)through disaster.



Enlightening to see how some on the board deal with the question





A few people want to bury their heads in the sand, scream racism(typical ignorant knee jerk reaction) and go nutzoid.

 

[qiinson]

He also said this thread was a very good topic.

Yes he did and I agree that the idea of comparing "Reactions to Disaster" is interesting. It's the examples you have chosen and your true motives that I'm concerned about. :2 cents:

 

[mentator75]

speaking of reactions to the Japan earthquake/tsunami, has Pat Robertson (or any other person of his ilk) commented on the divine nature of the disaster ? for example, maybe, claiming it as punishment for all those bukkakes (though he probably wouldn't mention them as such)

 

[Ulysses31]

Japan's earthquake death toll set to hit 25,000 as it emerges ANOTHER town has 10,000 people missing

# Ishinomaki confirms the huge number of its citizens missing
# North Eastern port town was hit by 20ft tsunami
# Fears that overall death toll has been terribly underestimated

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...toll-expected-reach-25-000.html#ixzz1Gp3Vy6du

Help: U.S. Navy delivers supplies of drinking water to Japanese citizens in Kuro-Soki, with the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan off the coast of Japan to provide humanitarian assistance as part of Operation Tomodachi

Ryo Abe, 10, and Kaho Abe, 7, rest on a rail track as they head to their relative's house with their parents for evacuation, in Ishinomaki

Surviving: Tsunami survivors cook and eat in front of their damaged house in Ishinomaki

Heartbreak and joy: : Yoshie Murakami cries as she holds a hand of her dead mother in the rubble near the spot where her home used to be in Rikuzentakata, Iwate (left). Murakami's 23-year-old daughter is still missing. (Right) A mother hugs her one-year-old twins as they are reunited five days after the earthquake

Things get worse: Rescue workers walk in heavy snowfall at a factory area that was devastated after being hit by an earthquake and tsunami in Sendai

Bleak: Survivors read newspapers around a camp fire at a makeshift camp in Otsuchi, northern Japan after Friday's massive earthquake and tsunami

Survivors try to get free eggs distributed by a local vendor in the city of Ishinomaki

Human comfort: A woman nurses her baby at an evacuation centre in Natori, Miyagi, (left) while a relieved resident hugs Chief Naval Air Crewman Steven Sinclair, from the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan after he delivered supplies

 

[Trident1]

Ulysses, many thanks for the photos.

 

[daschok]

I also don't think that the differences in behaviour in such a catastrophe base on racial issues. It is a matter of culture. In Japanese culture and society it is very important to be disciplined, to show no emotions, to follow the rules of tradition and of the law. This has positive and also negative effects.
The positive effects can be seen now. The people stand together, almost no looting, no panic.
The negative effects are not that obvious, but can also be seen in the situation now. Japanese are not very critical with ideas/actions imposed by people higher up in the social hierarchy. The information policy of the Japanese government during this catastrophe can be criticized. And it is criticized, but mainly by foreign networks and institutions not by the Japanese people itself.
Generally it has to be said, that this kind of behaviour is not very healthy. If you do not follow the general and traditional rules, if you show "weakness" or if you have your own way of thinking you - and maybe also your family - lose honor. Personal/Individual honor plays an important role in Japanese society. Your existence gets "measured" in a system of honor. Many people "fail", because of the stress caused by the strict traditional laws. Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. It can not be healthy to hide your true emotions and play a role, which has nothing to do with your own character...

 

[emceeemcee]

this thread: talk about a failed attempt at race-baiting

 

[Ulysses31]

:bowdown: :clap: :hatsoff: :glugglug:

USS Ronald Reagan Delivers Aid to Japanese Earthquake, Tsunami Victims

Photos by U.S. Navy photographer Kevin B. Gray from Imperial Beach, who is currently deployed with the USS Ronald Reagan to aid Japanese earthquake and tsunami victims.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...ss-ronald-reagan-imperial-beach#photo-5281523

Chief Naval Air Crewman Steven Sinclair

HH-60H Sea Hawk pilot Lt. Junior Grade Nadia Brouillette

Naval Air Crewman 2nd Class Zack DelCorte, assigned to the Black Knights of Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron.

Naval Air Crewman 2nd Class Zack DelCorte

Chief Naval Air Crewman Steven Sinclair

Lt. Chad Upright, an HH-60H Sea Hawk helicopter pilot assigned to the Black Knights of Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS 4) embarked aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan

 

[Ulysses31]

 

[Ulysses31]

Heartbreaking moment Japanese earthquake survivor holds her dead mother's hand as she says a final goodbye

# Hungry people forage in the snow for scraps of food and firewood
# 450,000 desperate people squat in makeshift refugee shelters
# 850,000 people struggling to survive without food and water
# 20,000 missing in two towns with another 5,000 confirmed dead

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-hand-says-final-goodbye.html#ixzz1GrVV1sso

Left: Terrible sorrow: Yoshie Murakami holds the hand of her dead mother in the rubble of her home in Rikuzentakata. Her daughter is still missing
Right: Kenji Sugawara, with a photo of his missing wife, searches for her through the remains of the devastated city of Otsuchi

Heartbreak with no end: A man cries next to his destroyed house where his dead mother is still buried in the rubble in Onagawa

Japanese military personnel carry bodies of victims at a village destroyed by earthquake and tsunami in Yamadamachi, northeast Japan

 

[Ulysses31]

'Please continue to live well': Fukushima Fifty 'on suicide mission' to battle N-plant meltdown send haunting messages to families... as radioactive steam pours from wrecked reactor

* Nuclear workers accept their fate 'like a death sentence'
* Fears for their health as one expert says it is 'perhaps a suicide mission'
* Radiation levels rise in Japan as crisis continues
* Power will be connected to knocked-out coolant pumping system 'within hours'
* Radioactive steam still billows from reactors and fuel storage pools after helicopter missions
* Police water canons move in to spray overheating fuel rods
* Radioactive plume to hit US west coast tomorrow
* 17,000 British nationals could be evacuated as last-ditch efforts are made to stop nuclear catastrophe
* Foreign Office provides free-of-charge rescue flights from Tokyo

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-battle-nuclear-meltdown.html#ixzz1Gse5AgR7

Heartbreaking message: This woman told interviewers her husband was working at the plant in the full knowledge he was being radiated. Her husband sent her an email that said: 'Continue to live well. I cannot be home for some time.'

Dangerous work: officials wearing protective clothing and respirators head towards the Fukushima nuclear plant

Devastated: The badly damaged reactor four at the Fukushima nuclear plant. Green machinery can be seen through the ruined wall