Explosion at Japan nuke plant, disaster toll rises

[emceeemcee]

Seriously get an education it might do you some good.

I love Freeones. Where else could you find someone with a pretend PhD handing out at advice about the virtues of education?



:1orglaugh

 

[sayvara]

Any attempt to characterize nuclear as safe just by measure of bodycount is as disingenuous as it gets- contamination from Chernobyl will last centuries

Yeah... where as coal pollution lasts forever. Heavy metals and coal slurry dams that constantly threaten bursting and spreading their poison. What's the half-life of coal ash? Oh, right... it doesn't have any.

The gamma radiation in the Pripyat area is today less than 1% of what it was when the reactor popped. Today there are tourist rides to Pripyat and the sarcophagus.
It's in the very nature of radiation fallout to destroy itself over time. You wouldn't even have radiation if it wasn't for this fact.

The amount of land lost to Chernobyl correspond to approximately 1/100 to 1/1000 that is lost every year to desert expansion.

and there are no byproducts of the coal industry which can be lost, smuggled onto the blackmarket and sold to terrorists who can use them to kill hundreds of thousands of people in one go.

Oh dear me... trying to frighten us with the Plutonium Dragon and The Atomic Terrorist™ are you?

The notion that a bunch of terrorists could make a bomb, nuclear or dirty, from spent fuel is about as stupid as worrying that taking a shower will cause a tsunami.


I love this bit the best though:

Whether or not nuclear is safer than coal is irrelevant...

So first you go "Nuclear is soooooo dangerous!" ...and then... "...but it doesn't really matter." after you got bitch slapped with cold hard numbers.

/S

 

[Trident1]

I love Freeones. Where else could you find someone with a pretend PhD handing out at advice about the virtues of education?



:1orglaugh

Oh wow is that the best you can do?

You've been owned on this thread. Fess up son.:1orglaugh

 

[emceeemcee]

Yeah... where as coal pollution lasts forever. Heavy metals and coal slurry dams that constantly threaten bursting and spreading their poison. What's the half-life of coal ash? Oh, right... it doesn't have any.

strange, I don't remember making any posts where I said let's build more coal power stations

strawman much?

The gamma radiation in the Pripyat area is today less than 1% of what it was when the reactor popped.

Today there are tourist rides to Pripyat and the sarcophagus.
It's in the very nature of radiation fallout to destroy itself over time. You wouldn't even have radiation if it wasn't for this fact.

Who is debating that? The fact of the matter is that widespread contamination occured and still exists.

It seems that 'don't worry, it'll all go away eventually' is the best you can do.

The amount of land lost to Chernobyl correspond to approximately 1/100 to 1/1000 that is lost every year to desert expansion.

Obviously you are just copying and pasting this shit off the website of some nuclear power company. Trying to 'put things in perspective' is classic PR bollocks. The deepwater horizon spill was miniscule compared to the amount of oil lost and burned during GW1, does that mean deepwater horizon wasn't an absolute disaster with massive environmental catastrophies?

Oh dear me... trying to frighten us with the Plutonium Dragon and The Atomic Terrorist™ are you?

The notion that a bunch of terrorists could make a bomb, nuclear or dirty, from spent fuel is about as stupid as worrying that taking a shower will cause a tsunami.

Maybe you better go tell all the intelligence agencies and counter-terrorism groups they're wasting their time and efforts concerning themselves with chasing after lose plutonium, clearly they are getting themselves into bind over nothing and could really use someone like you heading their departments! :1orglaugh

I love this bit the best though:
So first you go "Nuclear is soooooo dangerous!" ...and then... "...but it doesn't really matter." after you got bitch slapped with cold hard numbers.

I love the bit when you demonstrated how desperate your case was by trying to cobble together a win by choosing to quote only a portion of what I said and ignoring the rest so you could build another strawman. Swing and miss.

At least you've earned Trident's respect, most Freeone'ers wear that like a stain :1orglaugh

 

[Ulysses31]

'We're not afraid to die': Extraordinary courage of the Fukushima Fifty as they return to stricken power plant to fight nuclear disaster

* Workers battling nuclear meltdown briefly evacuated today after radiation levels increased
* French minister: 'Let's not beat about the bush, they've essentially lost control'
* Radioactive steam spews into atmosphere from reactor number three
* Crisis is 'approaching point of no return'
* Officials commandeer police water cannon to spray complex
* Attempts to dump water on reactors by helicopter fail
* Two more previously stable reactors begin to heat up

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...le-nuclear-disaster-hidden.html#ixzz1GmSB7i00

Stricken: the diagram shows all six stricken reactors. Reactors one to four have been over-heating since the tsumani. But reactors five and six, on a separate part of the site today began heating up as well

Right: Health risks: Diagram of the human body with pointers detailing the effects of radiation

 

[emceeemcee]

Oh wow is that the best you can do?

You've been owned on this thread. Fess up son.:1orglaugh

Looks like the good professor whimped off somewhere. No wonder you were such a fan of him :1orglaugh



ps I'm not your son, you must have started drinking earlier than usual today or something? at least wait untill after breakfast

 

[Supafly]

Just on a general notice:

There are thousands of people dying and wasting away, dead bodies put by the side of the road, because the government does not have enough body bags, people still under tehre collapsed homes are in danger of freezing to death before they can be found.

And we are trying to cyber-bully each other?

Please, be civil. Show some courtesy.

 

[emceeemcee]

Japan’s nuclear farce

Exasperation with the quality of information coming out of the Japanese nuclear authority, the government and the Tokyo Electric company led to harsh words from the French nuclear authority this morning.

It said the Daiichi accident could be classed as a level 6 event on the scale of one to 7. The Chernobyl calamity in 1986 began as a level 6 event and was then elevated to level 7, which until now consist of the only level 6 and level 7 events recorded.

An official was quoted as saying “Tokyo has all but lost control over the situation”.

This morning the Japan nuclear authority insisted that level 4, an event with purely local effects, was the appropriate level, which is clearly not what the normally ultra-tactful International Atomic Energy Agency thought when it directed the VAAC to issue the warnings to airlines, and also to the airports at which any aircraft exposed to radiation must be thoroughly decontaminated under international conventions.

The quality of information from the Japanese has descended into farce, with simultaneous claims that radiation levels are harmful in the Chernobyl-sized exclusion zone but did not constitute a threat to health. This follows the patently dishonest misuse of radiation exposure metrics used for the first 3½ days of the crisis, which understated the real levels by 1000 or three orders of magnitude.

The US think tank, the Institute for Science and International Security, said the situation at Daiichi had worsened considerably and was now closer to a level 6 event and “may unfortunately reach a level 7”.

source

 

[Trident1]

Looks like the good professor whimped off somewhere. No wonder you were such a fan of him :1orglaugh



ps I'm not your son, you must have started drinking earlier than usual today or something? at least wait untill after breakfast

Listen son, you got your ass handed to you on this thread(on every thread actually).:o

 

[PirateKing]

There have likely already been meltdowns or at least partial meltdowns. They're not something to agonize over because so long as the containment chamber remains safe with pressure venting it's okay. The question is, are the chambers safe? They seem to be but if they are then are the suppression chambers below ground safe as well? In other words, aside from the hydrogen gas leak explosions, what has exploded in the past few days? We don't know. Officials may but no confirmations yet.

The truth of the situation lies between the Japanese "Hey buddy! Relaaaaaaaax!", and the foreign, "SIX-FINGERED PEOPLE FUCK MY ASS!"

It remains very serious and people are in fact risking their lives. If you saw the helicopter operation in progress a few hours ago, those pilots were exposed to 10,000microSv levels which are in fact cancerous. They were wearing protective suits but regardless, they flew through cancer-causing shit and...that's not an easy job.

There are ground operations underway to douse the units with truck-mounted water cannons. The ideas are indeed getting more desperate but even in worst-case scenario, it seems that much of Japan would remain quite safe as of now.

 

[Member2019]

Looks like the good professor whimped off somewhere. No wonder you were such a fan of him :1orglaugh

Some of us actually work. I've worked 30 hours and travelled 2,500 miles in the last 60 hours.

It remains very serious and people are in fact risking their lives. If you saw the helicopter operation in progress a few hours ago, those pilots were exposed to 10,000microSv levels which are in fact cancerous.

FYI: 10,000uSv = 10mSv = 0.01Sv. One has to be exposed to 0.3-0.5Sv before it's of serious, long-term concern, and that takes 30-50 hours at 0.01Sv/hr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert

Yes, the workers and first responders are putting their lives on the line. At any time levels could jump 2-3 orders of magnitude. Those people are heros, just like those at Chernobyl.

But as Forbes put together quite well, this is no Chernobyl:
http://blogs.forbes.com/bruceupbin/2011/03/15/whats-next-for-japan-the-short-and-long-term/

I think people forget that unlike Chernobyl:
A) The reactor was shut down, taking away 97% of the heat and energy, and
B) The reactor has a containment vessel, so far, regardless of what meltdown has occurred, it seems to be holding

The one thing I tire of is that Japan does not the most advanced technology when it comes to nuclear power. France is the sole country that is, with everyone else a distant second. Why? Because only France still builds them, still has knowledge of the technology, and has newer generations.

Furthermore, it seems Japan really f'up by not putting fuel for the cooling units underground where they were protected. Because the entire installation survived not only the quake, but the tsunami, except for the fuel tanks to power the pumps. And that was their undoing. Not bad for a plant designs in the '60s and opened around 40 years ago, short that aspect.

Now imagine if the hippie tree huggers didn't stop new nuclear power plants from being built. I mean the hippie tree huggers didn't stop the existing ones, which are now 40-50 years old and still running, and planning to be run well past their designed lifetime -- designs from the '50s and '60s no less. Imagine if we had 3rd generation units in operation.

That's always my complaint. Either we should:
A) Gotten rid of all nuclear power in the '70s, or
B) Upgraded all nuclear power over the last 30 years to 3rd gen designs

The hippie tree huggers just stuck their fingers in their ears and went "la la la la" and acted like they were helping. Instead, we have the worst of both worlds!

This is a wake-up call. I'm honestly tired of people blocking progress while not addressing the old. Instead of becoming engineers and creating better, cleaner solutions, they just bitch and moan while still consuming!

In all honesty, at this point, the only people I say that have the right to complain are people who actually have solar panels on their house. That right there is an immediate, effective, "point energy" source that everyone can implement and is very efficient for their own needs, without transmission loss and is a true "money where their mouth is."

But on a mass scale, solar power is infeasible. Which means we have a choice of hydro, wind and nuclear, all with their own negatives. Nuclear has the least negative. As far as "byproducts," the nuclear power industry is not the main source of that, but nuclear weapons production. Yes, existing, past production will always trump nuclear power plants for the next 300 years -- let alone weapons materials eventually break down into usable forms for power plants.

And the medical industry is a big creator of byproducts as well. People forget that.

 

[ezteban]

期待を維持 !
Keep hope !​

 

[Ulysses31]

Japanese drop giant waterbombs on stricken reactors as Foreign Office promises rescue charter flights to get Britons out of Tokyo

# 17,000 British nationals could be evacuated as last ditch efforts are made to stop nuclear catastrophe
# Cooling pool for spent fuel rods has 'boiled dry' in one reactor
# Police water canons move in to spray water on overheating fuel rods
# Japan has 48 hours to avoid 'another Chernobyl'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rter-flights-Britons-Tokyo.html#ixzz1GrIXDBaI

 

[PJpenny]

im hearing this is getting worst and worst with the nuclear reactors, and the japanese are not getting much help with the situation. so very sad

 

[Ulysses31]

'Please continue to live well': Fukushima Fifty 'on suicide mission' to battle N-plant meltdown send haunting messages to families... as radioactive steam pours from wrecked reactor

* Nuclear workers accept their fate 'like a death sentence'
* Fears for their health as one expert says it is 'perhaps a suicide mission'
* Radiation levels rise in Japan as crisis continues
* Power will be connected to knocked-out coolant pumping system 'within hours'
* Radioactive steam still billows from reactors and fuel storage pools after helicopter missions
* Police water canons move in to spray overheating fuel rods
* Radioactive plume to hit US west coast tomorrow
* 17,000 British nationals could be evacuated as last-ditch efforts are made to stop nuclear catastrophe
* Foreign Office provides free-of-charge rescue flights from Tokyo

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-battle-nuclear-meltdown.html#ixzz1Gse5AgR7

Heartbreaking message: This woman told interviewers her husband was working at the plant in the full knowledge he was being radiated. Her husband sent her an email that said: 'Continue to live well. I cannot be home for some time.'

Dangerous work: officials wearing protective clothing and respirators head towards the Fukushima nuclear plant

Devastated: The badly damaged reactor four at the Fukushima nuclear plant. Green machinery can be seen through the ruined wall

 

[Ulysses31]

Japan raises the alert level at a stricken nuclear plant from four to five on a seven-point international scale for atomic accidents.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12783832

 

[Facetious]

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Just a little levity here folks, I hope you understand... It's simply a little break in the action from a long difficult week for our Japanese friends. Continue on now, never mind me as the apparently harmless nuke cloud passes through the jet stream above head beginning about now.
How far up is the jet stream, only about 33K feet^? :helpme:

Quick! What am I suppose to eat, seaweed & banana peels?

Kudos to Uly for posting some of the most captivating and intriguing pics ever seem over this forum, I almost felt as if I was on the ground over there after looking at some of those shots. :hatsoff:

 

[Supafly]

I think - try to imagine - how that area will be when the meltdown is complete. Will they build a wall in a 20 or 30 kilometer radius around the nuclear site?

Just saw a documentary about how the Chernobyl Disaster went down and how the area still suffers, 25 years later.

Russia never was the same after that, and to project that on a extremely smaller and much more dense habitated country is mindblowing.

But I feel somewhat tired by the permanent news stories, which sounds cruel, but I guess you feel it too.

 

[Facetious]

Why does the northwestern sky have an unusual reddish hue to it at this 06:00 hrs west coast time? :surprise: Yes, I said northwestern!:eek:

I wish that I was kidding. . . . I know, I know, it's just a coincidence, yep, just another coincidence.
There is also a certain uncommon kind of calm in the air too.:tinhat:


Prof V What exactly has to happen in order to cool down those reactors?

 

[Hot Mega]

Why does the northwestern sky have an unusual reddish hue to it at this 06:00 hrs west coast time? :surprise: Yes, I said northwestern!:eek:

I wish that I was kidding. . . . I know, I know, it's just a coincidence, yep, just another coincidence.
There is also a certain uncommon kind of calm in the air too.:tinhat:


Prof V What exactly has to happen in order to cool down those reactors?

0600 hrs.:2 cents: :?:nono: