*2020 US Presidential Elections* - Candidates, Statistics, Campaign Timelines, Debates

Seems the latest nightmare trump has caused for his own party is convincing Georgia cult members that the election is so crooked they shouldn't even bother voting in the senate runoffs.

The weekend saw wild demonstrations by Trump supporters against Governor Brian Kemp and Raffensperger—and implicitly against Perdue and Loeffler, who are increasingly perceived by hard-core Trumpists as not doing enough to aid Trump

“Everybody I talk to is saying: ‘Why should we go vote?’ They stole the biggest election of this year from us. Why bother?”

Here's 4:19 of BTC discussing ronna mcdaniel romney trying to backtrack on her own and trump's bullshit to try to talk GA voters into showing up:


And just when I was starting to think stupid coup was running out of fresh comedic material!
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Mitt must be proud.

You know Krebs is right when Trump starts raging against the machines:
"60Minutes never asked us for a comment about their ridiculous, one sided story on election security, which is an international joke. Our 2020 Election, from poorly rated Dominion to a Country FLOODED with unaccounted for Mail-In ballots, was probably our least secure EVER!"​
 

John_8581

FreeOnes Lifetime Member
Mitt must be proud.

You know Krebs is right when Trump starts raging against the machines:
"60Minutes never asked us for a comment about their ridiculous, one sided story on election security, which is an international joke. Our 2020 Election, from poorly rated Dominion to a Country FLOODED with unaccounted for Mail-In ballots, was probably our least secure EVER!"​
Nice. The Evil Empire album?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Empire_(album)

But the shoe is now on the other foot. For example, President Trump and his administration, i.e., the Evil Empire.
 
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gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Nice. The Evil Empire album?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Empire_(album)

But the shoe is now on the other foot. For example, President Trump and his administration.
Indeed.

De la Rocha in 1996: "the wall that Germany fell and the US Government was busy building another one between the border of the U.S. and Mexico. Since 1986, as a result of a lot of the hate talk and hysteria, that the Government of the United States has been speaking, 1,500 bodies have been found on the border"

Their 'outing' as leftists this summer was amusing.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/tom-...age-against-the-machine-are-political-2685353
  • WHAT MACHINE DID YOU THINK THEY HAVE BEEN RAGING AGAINST FOR DECADES? THE ICE CREAM MACHINE? THE ATM? LAWNMOWERS?
The lawnmower reference is now funnier if you think about Four Seasons Total Landscaping.
 

Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

I am in America, not of it.
I still don't understand how there are any Trumpistas in office anywhere in America if the secret computer program can change Trumpista votes into Democratic votes by just looking at them or? Oh, maybe a token or two like the old days with African Americans or Hispanics but still. Half? Really. Someone was asleep at the switch(Or the computer)
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
I still don't understand how there are any Trumpistas in office anywhere in America if the secret computer program can change Trumpista votes into Democratic votes by just looking at them or? Oh, maybe a token or two like the old days with African Americans or Hispanics but still. Half? Really. Someone was asleep at the switch(Or the computer)
Perhaps Hugo Chavez didn't realize the lower offices had significance and only had the machines programmed for the Presidential ballots. AND - Chavez had them programmed to affect the vote in targeted states. That guy was a genius.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...-where-trump-is-filing-lawsuits-idUSKBN27S2Z9
Verified Voting, the non-governmental, nonpartisan organization focused on the role technology plays in election administration, shows 24 states where Dominion Voting products were used in November 2020 ... also including states that Trump won, such as Louisiana, Iowa, Missouri and Ohio.
 

Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

I am in America, not of it.
Perhaps Hugo Chavez didn't realize the lower offices had significance and only had the machines programmed for the Presidential ballots. AND - Chavez had them programmed to affect the vote in targeted states. That guy was a genius.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...-where-trump-is-filing-lawsuits-idUSKBN27S2Z9
Verified Voting, the non-governmental, nonpartisan organization focused on the role technology plays in election administration, shows 24 states where Dominion Voting products were used in November 2020 ... also including states that Trump won, such as Louisiana, Iowa, Missouri and Ohio.
😁
 
Those pushing stupid coup are also ignoring the fact that dominion machines were only used in 14 counties in Pa, and in those 14 counties, trump got 52% of the vote.

Dominion calls the claim from Trump that its machines deleted 941,000 votes for him in Pennsylvania alone "impossible."

That's because Dominion only serves 14 counties in the state, which produced a total of 1.3 million votes — 52%, or 676,000, of which went to Trump. That only leaves 624,000 other votes, fewer than what Trump claims were switched.


It's another one of those corners he famously backs himself into - admit that the election was legit and Biden won, or claim it was rigged and admit that with all the intelligence from 2016 onwards, his administration failed to secure the election at all?
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
The only reason Trump and his republican and mafia cronies delayed the transition to Biden was to have time to destroy incriminating evidence of Trumps corrupt presidency, so Biden and his team wouldn't have access to evidence of the Trump republican crimes.
Lots of document shredding, data erasing, brides and threats to keep quiet started on Nov. 4, in the White House and other government agencies controlled by republicans.
All the billions of dollars embezzled by Trump and republicans will never be recovered and never be known who's corrupt pockets the stolen money is lining.
 
The only reason Trump and his republican and mafia cronies delayed the transition to Biden was to have time to destroy incriminating evidence of Trumps corrupt presidency, so Biden and his team wouldn't have access to evidence of the Trump republican crimes.

That and Trump is conning his followers into donating money for his cause in fighting the election. Of which I'm sure a substantial portion will end up going into his personal pockets at some point and not where people are expecting to go. I mean he's hundreds of millions of dollars in debt, and that's assuming the government doesn't go after the money from his past tax frauds. Then he might be billions in debt. People don't really expect he will want to pay that back with his own money, do they?
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
That and Trump is conning his followers into donating money for his cause in fighting the election. Of which I'm sure a substantial portion will end up going into his personal pockets at some point and not where people are expecting to go. I mean he's hundreds of millions of dollars in debt, and that's assuming the government doesn't go after the money from his past tax frauds. Then he might be billions in debt. People don't really expect he will want to pay that back with his own money, do they?
Looks like another bankruptcy may be in his future. Or he'll get a book deal to payoff his debts. It will be short and have a lot of pictures.

Looks like Barr may not make it to 1/20/21:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...4dcaa8-340a-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html
 

John_8581

FreeOnes Lifetime Member
The only reason Trump and his republican and mafia cronies delayed the transition to Biden was to have time to destroy incriminating evidence of Trumps corrupt presidency, so Biden and his team wouldn't have access to evidence of the Trump republican crimes.
Lots of document shredding, data erasing, brides and threats to keep quiet started on Nov. 4, in the White House and other government agencies controlled by republicans.
All the billions of dollars embezzled by Trump and republicans will never be recovered and never be known who's corrupt pockets the stolen money is lining.
They could use Trump's Twitter comments if they wanted to. With electronic media, there is a written record. They just need to piece things together. Get a forensic guy in there. Trump's deputy campaign manager Justin Clark who called Rudy Giuliani an expletive could be subpoenaed among others ...

Internal Clash.JPG


https://www.japantimes.co.jp/?post_type=news&p=2837947

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That's a good list to start with. Perjury can definitely lead to jail time. My case in point, Paul Manafort.

Remember how Commissioner Goodell got Tom Brady? He suspended Brady for four games during the next season and fined him a substantial percentage off his yearly salary. Even though Brady destroyed the disposable cellphone he had on "Deflategate" - the other cell phone was with the equipment manager. The equipment manager's cellphone and text messages was the one that Commissioner Goodell used. Then Tom Brady tried to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. When the Supreme Court refused to hear it. Brady then secretly went back to Robert Kraft and asked to "renegotiate" his $14 million dollar contract. His "new salary" was just a million dollars per annum with $13 million being deferred. Goodell then fined him 40% off of that "renegotiated" contact. (just $400,000.) The four game suspension was upheld.

... Plus the "Elite Strike Force" probably has left incriminating evidence lying about. They aren't too smart. :p

One last thing on a serious note, attorneys tend to document everything - in case a legal bill needs to be generated. - I honestly doubt that Rudy Giuliani or Jenna Ellis has shredded anything. If they ultimately want to be paid for their time and effort. They may face disciplinary actions with their state bar associations should they do anything that is out of character with the law. Just ask Syndey Powell in her handling of the convicted Enron and Arthur Anderson executives whom she represented in the Enron scandal. Those Arthur Anderson executives were later sanctioned and disbarred by their state's accountancy boards. Attorneys and accountants have to be ethical in their decisions and actions.
 
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I hate to break this to people, but I doubt Trump is ever going to go to jail for anything he's done. Now don't get me wrong. I definitely think he deserves to go to jail for the crimes he's committed, but lets get real here.

First, how often do super rich old white men get tossed in the slammer in this country?

Second, do you think some wishy washy person like Joe Biden is going to want to do anything like that. He's going to spout some bs about "healing", or "moving on", or "bringing people together". Nevermind that the best way to move on and heal is to have actual justice. Nevermind how much the right would laugh at that notion and would love to spit in democrats faces as they try the half-assed reconciliation crap they like to do while they take it with a smile it because the dems never learn. Sure a little bit, and I mean a little bit, of the hesitation might be from the notion of being careful about prosecuting a former president because it might set a precedent for future presidents who would want to go after the former one for unethical or spiteful reasons even if Trump really is guilty and does deserve like few have. No, an even bigger reason is because there will be and already has been for a long time a virtual de facto handshake agreement from the people that have held the office from doing that so every successive president can get away with their own shady shit and not face retaliation. While Biden is better than Trump by lightyears, he's also a corporate shill of a weakling. Everything about hims screams, "don't rock the boat". About the most we can hope for is that Biden is true to his world and doesn't interfere in his own Justice Department's dealings.

Third, all of the above assumes he somehow doesn't find a way to get himself pardoned. If that happens, (and there is at least a decent chance he does) all federal crimes he's done become pretty moot. A person with dignity might have to live in shame to resort to that to get off, but Trump has none, so he doesn't give a damn.

Forth, now I hear people say, "but Trump can't get himself pardoned for state crimes". While that might be true, lets just assume for the sake of argument that the best possible scenario comes about and some New York district prosecutor with an actual set of balls and a will to do what's right in the name of justice goes after Trump despite what some higher ups might want in some sort of civil suits because the statute of limitations has run out on a lot of criminal stuff over his lifetime. Lets say they go after him off all the decades of tax fraud, the campaign finance violations, running a scam of a charity and so forth because Trump has loved scams over his entire life. Lets say we are luckier and he's even convicted. If the past in this country is any indication of what will probably happen to someobody like that who is rich and famous and now politically connected it's this. He will end up paying pennies on the dollar for what's he's did in some sort of token punishment. Worse yet, he's scamming so many of his followers for money to help him now they are going to end up paying it for him in a roundabout way and he won't even have to suffer the little punishment of doing it himself.

I hope to look back on this post and to be terribly wrong, and have it be a really bad take. Few things would make me happier. On the other hand how many of you know deep down know this is probably the truth?
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
I'd be surprised to see him in jail. Most likely, he'll get some fines and provide some lawyers and accountants a few nice paychecks.
 
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