*2024 US Presidential Elections* - Candidates, Statistics, Campaign Timelines, Debates

georges

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georges

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Now this is very interesting abou how badly managed campaign can backfire, Kamala Harris's media blitz krieg campaign backfire her badly https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ial/3182431/harris-walz-missteps-media-blitz/ In fact it showed her weaknesses
Point 1) I quote " “Harris is unsteady, unreliable, and untested,” former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told the Washington Examiner. “Walz is a junior varsity player who is not ready for varsity.” " This is absolutely true Kamala is unqualified and unfit for being president and Walz hasn't enough experience to be a great president

Point 2) I quote " For former Republican National Committee communications director Doug Heye, Harris’s media circuit performance has provided evidence as to why she “hasn’t done many interviews.” “She’s just not good at them,” Heye told the Washington Examiner. “Friendly confines with a question put on a T for her to knock out of the park, and she just whipped.” Citing Harris’s appearance on The View, during which the vice president did not differentiate herself from President Joe Biden when voters have told pollsters they want change, Heye contended “if she can’t answer anything substantively of what she would do on the economy or what she would do differently than Biden, she’s just not a good candidate.” " I agree with Heye on all points, having watched her 60 min interview, her performance was poor att he interview if not medicore . A lot of word scramble and an absolute unrealistic economic program based massively on spending and borrowing money which will bring the country into an abyssal debt, she is confused with words. It remembers me 2016 when everybody thought that Hillary would win but fact is that she lost

Point 3) I quote " “I am all in favor of [Harris and Walz] sitting down for interviews with nontraditional media outlets,” South told the Washington Examiner. “Their joint interview with CNN basically turned into them being read Trump-Republican attack lines and asked to respond to them: ‘Donald Trump says you’re not black. How do you reply to that?'” " I kinda agree with that statement I would have loved to see the Harris Walz interviewed by non leftist non liberal media outlets but it won't happen because they know they will loose it and their interview will turn into shit so they play on the race baiting card

Point 4) I quote " To that end, the Trump campaign has capitalized on Harris’s media blitz, imploring 60 Minutes to publish the transcript of its interview with Harris after the former president did not participate in the program because of a disagreement over fact-checking. “On Sunday, 60 Minutes teased Kamala’s highly-anticipated sit-down interview with one of her worst word salads to date, which received significant criticism on social media,” Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement. “During the full interview on Monday evening, the word salad was deceptively edited to lessen Kamala’s idiotic response. Why did 60 Minutes choose not to air Kamala’s full word salad, and what else did they choose not to air?” " Why is 60 minutes afraid to publish the non edited version of the transcript ? Because Kamala failed?
 

georges

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Some surprises are awaiting the dems in these elections as this article points out https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...nxious-democrats-fear-harris-peaked-too-soon/ their is absolutely legtimate, some key points of it
Point 1) I quote " “So, we have some hard work ahead of us, but we like hard work. Hard work is good work,” Harris said. When Harris became the Democratic nominee two months ago after President Joe Biden stepped aside, Democratic operatives and voters thought her candidacy would be the key to defeating former President Donald Trump. But with less than a month until the election, anxiety is spiking inside Democratic circles about the state of the race, as polls show Harris and Trump nearly tied across all seven battleground states. " Déjà vu situation, yes and that is correct as it was the case in 2016, like I say and repeat, never take an election for granted until the vote count is ended
Point 2) I quote " “Before this week, Harris had been able to distance herself from all the things that have gone wrong in the Biden administration: chaos in the Middle East, the border, and even all this recent misinformation going around about FEMA and the hurricane recovery funding,” one Democratic operative granted anonymity to speak candidly about the campaign said. “Unfortunately, that changed when she was unable to give concrete examples of how a Harris administration would be different in these interviews, and it completely undermines her ‘A New Way Forward’ strategy,” the person said. "Wait a Democrat admits that because of Biden's actions and because of Kamala's lack of preparation for interviews to which she sucked at, she light lose. That is a sign and a dire warning that the heat in the race is on.
Point 3) I quote " “I think that many of us had hoped that [Harris] would get in this race and blow Trump out of the water while campaigning like the underdog to motivate our voters to get to the polls,” a former White House aide who has since left to work in the private sector said. “Now, it’s anyone’s game. The number of states that are in play this cycle, especially as we reach the final stretch, is a major obstacle, and the vice president is actually an underdog against a convicted felon,” the person said. “It’s alarming, and anyone that says they aren’t concerned is lying.” "The democrats for the most of wise of them know it is lost cause with Harris to win against Trump
Point 4) I quote " Pearson and several other Arizona Democrats said they were concerned that voter registration among Democrats in the state has declined since 2020, reflecting a similar makeup to when the state elected Trump in 2016. While the Republican Party has hovered around 35% of all registered voters, the Democrats went from 33% in 2020 to 29% today. “There are some factors working against Arizona that aren’t the same in other swing states. Arizona has lost 100,000 Democrats over the last four years, whereas Republicans and independents have picked up new voters,” Pearson said. “I can tell you, I think this race will be too close to call on Election Day." There are less leaning democrats in some of the most important swing states that is also an important indicator of how the hopes of democrats to be president can be ruined.
 

georges

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The race is taking a very interesting turn accoding to what I can see. An interesting talks article about it in detail: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...rump-largest-election-betting-odds-lead-july/ here are the key points:
Point 1) I quote "Current 2024 election betting odds give former President Donald Trump the biggest lead any candidate has held since July, just days after Trump surged past Vice President Kamala Harris in presidential election odds for the first time in 26 days.Trump jumped to a 9.2% advantage on Thursday, with bettors giving him a 53.9% chance to win and Harris a 44.7% chance. Harris’s largest lead among bettors this cycle has been 8.8%, a figure Trump briefly overcame until his Sept. 10 presidential debate performance tanked his odds for nearly a month." This is just a sign which is a reminder of what happened in 2016 with Hillary Clinton, many thought she would win but she lost due to the surprise effect of the Trump dynamic, the contrast between the Trump and the Harris presidential dynamics are easy to spot

Point 2) I quote"Not only is Trump surging in the betting markets, but he is also leading in six of the seven key battleground states, including Pennsylvania by 0.1%, North Carolina by 0.5%, Georgia by 0.5%, Michigan by 0.9%, Arizona by 1%, and Nevada by 0.2%". As we know it is often in the swing state that an election is decided apparently Trump is not doing so badly despite what the media has forecasted or said about him in fact he doing fine.

Point 3) I quote"Adding to the Republican optimism in at least four of those swing states is voter registration numbers as Democrats have lost significant ground to the GOP in Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, and Nevada on the voter rolls."It seems that less people have confidence in democrats for many valid reasons, less voter registration numbers means less votes and in presidential election every single vote counts but let's not rejoice too quickly because the race isn't over yet.
 
I'm sure that people scratch their heads when they hear that the election is so close right now, especially after the 2nd debate where is seemed like Kamala won.

I think we have to remember that the election isn't harris vs tump. I feel many US voters know this is not just about who sits are the WH desk. They know that they are voting on the implication of who wins. Your viewpoints on Gaza and the Middle East. The SCOTUS judges. And so many others issues could sway you to vote one way, even though you don't care (or even not like) the candidate on the ticket.

I think more focus on the implications of a GOP/DEM win would be more helpful, rather than hearing the antics of the candidates themselves.
 

DrakeM

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While I rarely comment on politics, I think this pair of ads from Pizza Pizza running on Canadian TV sums up the madness I see south of the border. I give you two ads for "Bipartisan Wings":

 

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gmase

On the dark side of the moon
The race is taking a very interesting turn accoding to what I can see. An interesting talks article about it in detail: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...rump-largest-election-betting-odds-lead-july/ here are the key points:
Point 1) I quote "Current 2024 election betting odds give former President Donald Trump the biggest lead any candidate has held since July, just days after Trump surged past Vice President Kamala Harris in presidential election odds for the first time in 26 days.Trump jumped to a 9.2% advantage on Thursday, with bettors giving him a 53.9% chance to win and Harris a 44.7% chance. Harris’s largest lead among bettors this cycle has been 8.8%, a figure Trump briefly overcame until his Sept. 10 presidential debate performance tanked his odds for nearly a month." This is just a sign which is a reminder of what happened in 2016 with Hillary Clinton, many thought she would win but she lost due to the surprise effect of the Trump dynamic, the contrast between the Trump and the Harris presidential dynamics are easy to spot
Your observation about 2016 is correct. Hillary had a 75% chance of winning. Trump’s 54% (as you quoted) is much lower than hers. Comey’s announcement about reopening the Clinton investigation certainly did not help her.

Maybe Jack Smith’s upcoming evidence dump will sway some voters away from Trump. Neither party should be confident right now.

Did you see where The Wall Street Journal (a reputable conservative voice) reported that 68% of economists believe Trump’s economic policies would lead to higher inflation than Harris’s? That has to sting him.
 

georges

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Your observation about 2016 is correct. Hillary had a 75% chance of winning. Trump’s 54% (as you quoted) is much lower than hers. Comey’s announcement about reopening the Clinton investigation certainly did not help her.

Maybe Jack Smith’s upcoming evidence dump will sway some voters away from Trump. Neither party should be confident right now.

Did you see where The Wall Street Journal (a reputable conservative voice) reported that 68% of economists believe Trump’s economic policies would lead to higher inflation than Harris’s? That has to sting him.
I am reading the opposite according to this source https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...kman-tears-into-biden-harris-dems/ar-AA1sbK9k where Bill Ackman who used to be a former Democrat mega donor decided to support Trump for these reasons:
Point 1) I quote "Ackman, who previously donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to various Democrat political figures, named illegal immigration, inflationary policies and the botched withdraw from Afghanistan as the first three “catalysts for my losing total confidence in the administration and the Party.”" I agree because the withdrawal from Afghanistan was a failure, immigration policies another one and inflationary policies another one, make the sum of all this and you have on all counts a clearly failed presidency.
Point 2) I quote "Ackman went on to say unnecessary energy regulations on businesses, policies releasing violent criminals without bail and the destruction of street businesses by decriminalizing shoplifting influenced his bygone support." Totally agree , Democrats didn't care about law & order sometimes the life of a multiple time convicted felon counts or matters more for Democrats than the life of law abiding citizens or law enforcement officers
Point 3) I quote "Ackman blasted the LGBT curriculums and the encouragement of sex-change surgeries for minors. He also denounced the Black Lives Matter (BLM) riots and COVID-19 lockdown policies of the early Biden-Harris administration before condemning anti-Israel protests on college campuses and the rise of antisemitism." He is right again, the truth maybe hard to accept but it is what it is
Point 4) I quote "Other admonishments include vaccine mandates, censorship of free speech, weaponization of the justice system, the Defund the Police movement, government subsidies for insufficient products, federal mandates and attempts to ban gas-powered cars and stoves." He is right again
Point 5) I quote "Ackman called out Democrats for using “a backroom process by undisclosed party leaders” to select Vice President Kamala Harris instead of giving Americans the opportunity to elect a new candidate to replace President Joe Biden on the ballot.He concluded by calling Harris an “inferior candidate” before stating “Americans lost confidence in the accuracy and trustworthiness of our voting system” as a result of laws preventing voter ID." He is right Kamala's performance during interviews was poor if not mediocre and people haven't seen any difference of her differenciating herself from Joe Biden, in fact since Biden decided not to present himself a second time, Kamala was the default candidate.
 
Looks like the election broke the Legal Eagle. It took a lot to get him to the point of making a video like this.

If I'm being honest, a very small part of me is a little curious to see how bad it could get. But I can only say that as it's not my country he'd be running.
 
Trump is a blatant pathological liar, attempted to overthrow American democracy, admires Hitler and other dictators/fascists,
has been firmly denounced, rejected, or trashed by more than 2 dozen members of his former administration, including his own VP, and so on.
Despite these and other supposed disqualifiers, Trump still has a more than reasonable chance of winning back the presidency.

The obvious question to me is, what does this say about the character, wisdom, or intellect of his supporters as well as those still on the fence?

 

John_8581

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The obvious question to me is, what does this say about the character, wisdom, or intellect of his supporters as well as those still on the fence?
These people are brain dead. Zombies. Idiots who are incapable of conscious thought.
 

Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

I am in America, not of it.
Trump is a blatant pathological liar, attempted to overthrow American democracy, admires Hitler and other dictators/fascists,
has been firmly denounced, rejected, or trashed by more than 2 dozen members of his former administration, including his own VP, and so on.
Despite these and other supposed disqualifiers, Trump still has a more than reasonable chance of winning back the presidency.

The obvious question to me is, what does this say about the character, wisdom, or intellect of his supporters as well as those still on the fence?
Never underestimate the ability of humans to be plain stupid.
 
Trump is a blatant pathological liar, attempted to overthrow American democracy, admires Hitler and other dictators/fascists,
has been firmly denounced, rejected, or trashed by more than 2 dozen members of his former administration, including his own VP, and so on.
Despite these and other supposed disqualifiers, Trump still has a more than reasonable chance of winning back the presidency.

The obvious question to me is, what does this say about the character, wisdom, or intellect of his supporters as well as those still on the fence?
Many of the people who are going to vote for him don't actually like him.
 
Unfortunately, VP Harris has not commented enough on the larger stakes of this election. Little attention has been given to talk about the bigger picture.
The repercussions of the election result, no matter the winner, will go far beyond our borders and will be felt around the world.
Depending on who wins, lives worldwide will be either saved or lost.

With a Trump victory and subsequent stance toward US isolationism, including withdrawal from NATO and/or Ukraine, the critical balance of East-West power
would be in jeopardy, putting the Free World, including the US, at a disadvantage militarily, versus the adversarial alliance of China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran.
With a Harris victory, I expect she will be viewed by our enemies as "soft" or weak, which might tempt them to test her fortitude with respect to "red lines".

 
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gmase

On the dark side of the moon

Unfortunately, VP Harris has not commented enough on the larger stakes of this election. Little attention has been given to talk about the bigger picture.
Harris comments plenty on the larger stakes of this election. She does it multiple times daily. The issue is not her commenting, it is the reporting. Maybe if she talked about Byron Nelson’s penis size, people would pay attention.
 

Supafly

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The fact that Trump is still in the vicinity of having a chance is because he keeps pushing more entertaining / crazier media stunts harder than the democratic side, and that the large media houses are playing into his hands. Because their owners are Billionaires, and they would profit way more from a Trump win.
 
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