NFL '11 Season Thread

[alexpnz]

The ONLY thing Brady and Manning are competitiive over are their contracts....don't think for 2 minutes that they don't use each other's conract monies and specifics for leverage.
And as you see, their contracts are almost identical....

 

[D-rock]

Aren't they a least somewhat friends? I've heard they have each others' phone numbers and once in a great while call the other person before a big match up between the two teams.

 

[STDiva]

Damn. I thought I had this week with 12/16, but Jagger came in late with his picks and went 14/16 only losing the Baltimore and St Louis games. Congrats Jagz!!

I'm 20/32 on the season so far, anybody else keeping track?

This weeks picks!!!

Jacksonville @ Carolina
Houston @ New Orleans
San Francisco @ Cincinnati
Miami @ Cleveland
New England @ Buffalo
New York Giants @ Philadelphia
Denver @ Tennessee
Detroit @ Minnesota
New York Jets @ Oakland
Kansas City @ San Diego
Baltimore @ St Louis
Atlanta @ Tampa Bay
Green Bay @ Chicago
Arizona @ Seattle
Pittsburgh @ Indianapolis
Washington @ Dallas

10 road teams. Yikes.

Pick'em!!

 

[The Grasshopper]

Bottom line: he's the greatest QB of all-time. Fact.

It's kinda sad to see his HOF career ending, I used to be a huge fan of his until the media started to ride his jock. He had a shot at passing Joe Cool but didn't IMO. :2 cents:

 

[STDiva]

It's kinda sad to see his HOF career ending, I used to be a huge fan of his until the media started to ride his jock. He had a shot at passing Joe Cool but didn't IMO. :2 cents:

I'm a long time 9er fan, and as far as pure QBing, Peyton is the greatest ever. Even better than Montana.

A wise man once said...Great teams win Super Bowls. Great players win MVP's. Peyton has more MVP's than anybody. Ever.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Peyton is the greatest ever. The MVPs solidify that.

 

[STDiva]

Peyton is the greatest ever. The MVPs solidify that.

He should win it this year. With Peyton, the Colts are a perennial 11-12 win team. Without, they might get 4. Aha. Incredible. How did the Pats do when Brady went out? 9-7? With a QB who hasn't started since high school? Ya Brady is better than Peyton. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

He should win it this year. With Peyton, the Colts are a perennial 11-12 win team. Without, they might get 4. Aha. Incredible. How did the Pats do when Brady went out? 9-7? With a QB who hasn't started since high school? Ya Brady is better than Peyton. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

As far as straight up value, TB is the greatest in history without any debate, going in the 6th round. He rode the fucking bench in Michigan for chrysakes. To act like TB ain't the shit is sorta disingenuous, to say the least.

 

[STDiva]

As far as straight up value, TB is the greatest in history without any debate, going in the 6th round. He rode the fucking bench in Michigan for chrysakes. To act like TB ain't the shit is sorta disingenuous, to say the least.

I'm not saying he ain't shit. But there is a couple homers here who think he's gods gift to football. Uh uh.

As far as draft value goes, he's up there, but there is a bunch of other guys who could be the greatest steal ever. Deacon Jones and Roger Staubach come to mind. Either way, fuck Brady and the Pats.

 

[Hot Mega]

Quit being an ass.

Bottom line: he's the greatest QB of all-time. Fact.

AwRy melts down within 3 posts again. Look us up when you get your panties out of a bunch and can go more than 2 posts without getting flustered.

BTW, Peyton was actually nothing more than a '3 quarter' player until very recently. Sure the guy had the players consistently around him to stuff stat sheets...(which is why everyone really worships the guy because everyone is a fantasy geek these days) but he would melt down with the game on the line.

So miss me with the Manning GOAT blather.

I'm a long time 9er fan, and as far as pure QBing, Peyton is the greatest ever. Even better than Montana.

A wise man once said...Great teams win Super Bowls. Great players win MVP's. Peyton has more MVP's than anybody. Ever.

Peyton is the greatest ever. The MVPs solidify that.

Manning is great with future HOF receivers and RBs around him. The guy got better later in his career but to compare him to the greatest clutch QB ever just because Manning filled up 3 quarters of the game with a bunch of stats is ludicrous especially in light of some of his notorious meltdowns.

Listen, I don't care to change any of your minds on this as you have your view. Just accept that there is a different view out here from all of the jocking the guy over his fantasy stats.

He should win it this year. With Peyton, the Colts are a perennial 11-12 win team. Without, they might get 4. Aha. Incredible. How did the Pats do when Brady went out? 9-7? With a QB who hasn't started since high school? Ya Brady is better than Peyton. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yeah...Brady is better than Peyton for the simple fact that he's the most clutch QB since Montana and he does it in spite of his coach/GM pulling good players from under the team annually because he doesn't want to pay them.

I'm not saying he ain't shit. But there is a couple homers here who think he's gods gift to football. Uh uh.

As far as draft value goes, he's up there, but there is a bunch of other guys who could be the greatest steal ever. Deacon Jones and Roger Staubach come to mind. Either way, fuck Brady and the Pats.

Go Pats...and but for Belichick shipping some of the great contributors on their teams off ...Brady would have run out of fingers for his rings on one hand.

Sorry STD...hate can only get you so far then you have to make sense.:dunno:

 

[Basedow]

Brady is clearly an all time great but I honestly get sick of people mentioning him in the same sentence as Montana as far as being clutch. Montana had to drive his team 92 yards in 2 minutes and had to put it in the end zone by threading the needle to John Taylor in the Super Bowl. Brady merely had to get his team in field goal range and then watch from the sideline as the greatest pressure kicker in history put it through the uprights (not to mention for his first two Super Bowls the game was tied so even if he came up short he has OT to look forward to, Montana needed 7 or they were going home). Brady is all time top 5 and is smoother under pressure than most but is no where near Joe.

 

[STDiva]

Sorry STD...hate can only get you so far then you have to make sense.:dunno:

I make lots of sense, and the MVP's back me up. The stats do to. How else are you going to measure a QB? Oh ya. Stats and MVP's don't mean anything. Only Michigan homerism and clutch performance...because Peyton isn't clutch...he just has more 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives than Brady. And all those hall of fame WR's made him look better than he actually is. Just like they're making Collins and Painter look all world too, right?

Once Brady wins a couple more MVP's, climbs into the top 3 in each of the major QB categories and has more than 2 brilliant NFL seasons, maybe I'll see the light.

 

[Hot Mega]

Brady is clearly an all time great but I honestly get sick of people mentioning him in the same sentence as Montana as far as being clutch. Montana had to drive his team 92 yards in 2 minutes and had to put it in the end zone by threading the needle to John Taylor in the Super Bowl. Brady merely had to get his team in field goal range and then watch from the sideline as the greatest pressure kicker in history put it through the uprights (not to mention for his first two Super Bowls the game was tied so even if he came up short he has OT to look forward to, Montana needed 7 or they were going home). Brady is all time top 5 and is smoother under pressure than most but is no where near Joe.

He's the greatest since.

The last time Brady was in the SB he led his team to a go ahead TD with 2 mins. left and the Pats would have won another but for an inexplicable fail on a sack and a miraculous receptions on the same play.:2 cents:

Besides you act as though the Pats had to settle for FGs..If I remember correctly he led them to FGs with what time was remaining.

I make lots of sense, and the MVP's back me up. The stats do to. How else are you going to measure a QB? Oh ya. Stats and MVP's don't mean anything. Only Michigan homerism and clutch performance...because Peyton isn't clutch...he just has more 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives than Brady. And all those hall of fame WR's made him look better than he actually is. Just like they're making Collins and Painter look all world too, right?

Once Brady wins a couple more MVP's, climbs into the top 3 in each of the major QB categories and has more than 2 brilliant NFL seasons, maybe I'll see the light.

As you know I don't really care about stats as much as I care what a player does when it's winning time.

For example, a '3 quarter' player can have 40 points in a basketball game but completely choke when the games on the line. As far as I'm concerned...you can keep a guy like that.

I'll take the guy who can score 15 in the last 5 mins.

Translating that for football, I would rather a guy make the plays when the games on the line than run up the stats during the first 3 quarters.

Manning was pure and simple a choke artist and had been since his UT days...that's a fact.:dunno:

Again, you guys who are enamored with stats can continue to suck his stat dick..I'll take the guy who goes and gets rings.

Like I said, if it weren't for Belichick throttling the Pats down with his personnel moves Brady would have more rings. Brady is a winner...Manning is a fantasy player.:2 cents:

That's the main reason one has been to more SBs than the other and has more rings.:o

 

[Basedow]

He did in fact lead them to field goals. The first of which seemed to be made alittle easier when St. Louis' kicker decides he's gonna boot the kick off straight out of bounds and let New England start at the 40. And as far as miraculous and inexplicable situations Brady doesn't even win his first ring if it's not for a 'miraculous and inexplicable' tuck rule call by the ref against Oakland.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

The whole Peyton Manning/Tom Brady debate is getting old. I think for history's sake, Manning is the better, more legendary QB. But I ain't gonna argue about it or rip anyone for thinking otherwise. So long as some dope doesn't come and say Favre is better than the both of them.

And btw Peyton Manning doesn't give a shit about Tom Brady. He's not gonna risk his own livelihood to one-up Brady. Whatever happens, I respect what he's done, despite the fact that he's a no good Volunteer.

 

[Hot Mega]

He did in fact lead them to field goals. The first of which seemed to be made alittle easier when St. Louis' kicker decides he's gonna boot the kick off straight out of bounds and let New England start at the 40.

They still have to make the plays.:2 cents: After all Base', isn't the other team trying to stop them for the win too?:dunno: But like I said, the last time the Pats were there Brady led them to the go-ahead TD with 2 mins left before the Giants made their Hail Mary.

And as far as miraculous and inexplicable situations Brady doesn't even win his first ring if it's not for a 'miraculous and inexplicable' tuck rule call by the ref against Oakland.

True and I still personally don't understand the 'tuck' rule. However, that inexplicable and miraculous circumstance is significantly lessened on the point Base'd on the fact that Brady and the Pats won 2 of the next 3 Super Bowls and the man has since lived in the AFC Championship games so often there's a rumor the NFL plans on sending him a mortgage bill.

BTW STD....the point of accumulating all those completions, yards and TDs is for the player (QB) to help win his team an NFL Super Bowl...not season MVPs or to help some geek win a fantasy league.:2 cents:

 

[STDiva]

BTW STD....the point of accumulating all those completions, yards and TDs is for the player (QB) to help win his team an NFL Super Bowl...not season MVPs or to help some geek win a fantasy league.:2 cents:

Why do you keep bringing up fantasy shit? And you're crediting a single player for team accomplishments? Last I checked, the New England Patriots won those Super Bowls, not Tom Brady. You're making yourself look stupid every time you try to downplay MVP's, career records and stats. I guess Derek Fisher is a better PG than John Stockton too, right? I mean, he won when it counted. Chris Osgood is a better keeper than Dominik Hasek. He won more Stanley Cups. Is Emmit Smitha better back than Barry Sanders? Winning is the ONLY thing that matters, right? Nope. If you're going to rate an individual position, you need to use individual accomplishments. And as far as those go, no other QB comes close to Peyton. Unless you're a Michigan homer.

 

[BCT]

Brady is clearly an all time great but I honestly get sick of people mentioning him in the same sentence as Montana as far as being clutch. Montana had to drive his team 92 yards in 2 minutes and had to put it in the end zone by threading the needle to John Taylor in the Super Bowl. Brady merely had to get his team in field goal range and then watch from the sideline as the greatest pressure kicker in history put it through the uprights (not to mention for his first two Super Bowls the game was tied so even if he came up short he has OT to look forward to, Montana needed 7 or they were going home). Brady is all time top 5 and is smoother under pressure than most but is no where near Joe.

Agreed, Montana is the best QB ever imho!

 

[Hot Mega]

Why do you keep bringing up fantasy shit? And you're crediting a single player for team accomplishments? Last I checked, the New England Patriots won those Super Bowls, not Tom Brady.

Unfortunately STD that's all we have to go with when Super Bowl wins are attributed to QBs like they are. Don't fight the system man...you'll only end up losing.

You're making yourself look stupid every time you try to downplay MVP's, career records and stats.

Stop dude. I don't down play them. I told you the only role they play if they don't end in the goal of winning a championship.

What is the point of a shit load of stats if they don't culminate in championships?? What's so hard to get about that? You play to win fucking championships in the NFL (Super Bowls not fantasy leagues).:dunno: Speaking of MVPs doesn't Brady own more of those from the Super Bowl than Manning anyway.:1orglaugh So you're even losing on the goofy terms you're trying to define this on.

I guess Derek Fisher is a better PG than John Stockton too, right? I mean, he won when it counted. Chris Osgood is a better keeper than Dominik Hasek. He won more Stanley Cups. Winning is the ONLY thing that matters, right? Nope. If you're going to rate an individual position, you need to use individual accomplishments. And as far as those go, nobody comes close to Peyton. Unless you're a Michigan homer.

Whatever man....Fisher's role as a point guard and Osgood's role as a goal keeper are not considered the same way a QBs role is on a football team in terms of winning and championships are. I think you know this but just didn't have anything else to say I guess.

In closing, in spite of his stats Manning was roundly considered a choke artist precisely because for so long in his career HE didn't get it done when it counted.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Whatever man....Fisher's role as a point guard and Osgood role as a goal keeper are not considered the same way a QBs role is on a football team in terms of winning and championships are. I think you know this but just didn't have anything else to say I guess.

A goaltender is more important in the game of puck than a QB in the game of football. Just sayin'.