Japanese and American Reaction to Disaster

[CunningStunts]

and you missed the part where the rest of the country (Tx, La, Ms, Al) supported the relocation and support of those affected by the levee breach and Katrina.

Very true. Couple of points that are facts, though I'm sure people will intentionally misinterpret:

1) The eye actually came ashore on the MS coast, which produced much more damage than in LA, but they didn't have the same problems... why? They were more prepared. Period.

2) Many communities opened their hearts to the victims as far north as MD, it was a feel good story. But some communities (see Houston) also saw their crime rates skyrocket. Not such a feel good story for them.

The bottom line (and we say this at work all the time) is that disasters tend to bring out the best and the worst in humans.

 

[d'histoire]

The Soviet reaction was under an authoritarian system. The public might grumble, bitch and moan, but they knew that there was the ever present KGB willing to put down any open dissent, or riot.
Privately I would imagine most Soviet citizens knew that whatever came out from official channels concerning the crisis was bull.

This relates to which real life example? :dunno:

:clap:

 

[Ulysses31]

IDF medical delegation to Japan treats homeless baby



http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?ID=214440



IDF doctor in Japan says rescue team needed, appreciated

http://www.jpost.com/Health/Article.aspx?id=214719



Japan deputy FM tours IDF clinic in battered village



http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=215234

 

[meesterperfect]

or maybe you just want to believe that they don't.

this is reality and sorry if it offends anyone but since at least the days of the watts and newark riots to los angeles to katrina ect the first thing thousands of blacks and mexicans do is start looting.
they go nuts, like theyre on some sort of drug.
I guess its the drug of greed and disregard for other peoples property.
in simple terms they just don't give a fuck.
smashing up businesses and stealing their stuff.
as if the damage isn't enough from the disaster or riot we need this too right?

you don't see asians looting, very few white people either.
this is reality and to deny it is to me racist.
we can deny it, say its not true for whatever reasons but it is true.

Is this a cultural thing? I think it must be, what other explanation is there?

So much retardation it's hard to know where to start. I don't think I'll bother.

Tell me one thing I wrote that isn't true.
I'm just making observations, sorry but this is what myself and millions of others have observed over the years.
And the only reason I posted it was to refute what others said here, not to insult anybody but I'm not gonna lie or deny what I know is truth based on fear of being called racist which is what people like you thrive on.
The "R" word is your only weapon, and a desperate one, but effective in 2011.
It shuts a lot of people up, not me though.
See you can't refute anything I wrote so you either call or imply racism when there is none.

Call me crazy but I'm with you on this. A few days after the earthquake hit Japan, the Japanese Mafia was even helping the people. Sure they probably were trying to make a profit, but it's the idea that counts. The Japanese are a people that help each other in times of peril, unlike what happened here after Katrina hit.

why would anybody call you crazy for saying that?
its what youve observed, don't be afraid to speak it.

very insightful response.
again youve not only proven that I am a nazi but just how original and articulative you are.

I don't even think he is white.....Further proof of the insidious shit laid down years ago by the man......

who me? yeah i'm white whats that got to do with it?
what if I am white then I'm a racist and if i'm not then I can't be?
one guy calls me racist and the other guy says "I don't even think he's white"? what kind of twisted logic is that?
and no man laid anything down for me, I've seen what I've seen and am being honest about it, thats all.
Again, refute something I said in that post if you can.......just one thing.

 

[Hot Mega]

or maybe you just want to believe that they don't.

this is reality and sorry if it offends anyone but since at least the days of the watts and newark riots to los angeles to katrina ect the first thing thousands of blacks and mexicans do is start looting.
they go nuts, like theyre on some sort of drug.
I guess its the drug of greed and disregard for other peoples property.
in simple terms they just don't give a fuck.
smashing up businesses and stealing their stuff.
as if the damage isn't enough from the disaster or riot we need this too right?

you don't see asians looting, very few white people either.
this is reality and to deny it is to me racist.
we can deny it, say its not true for whatever reasons but it is true.

Is this a cultural thing? I think it must be, what other explanation is there?

Yes. The explanation is that you're historically ignorant to rioting and looting.

Hints: Rioting and looting are not just American things nor are they class, race or modern things.

(For example, ever hear of the G20 riots?)

The fact that you naively associate riots only to racial and ethnic American minorities doesn't mean you're a racist. Just naive for observing only what you want to observe and ignorant for apparently not having witnessed other examples. :2 cents:

 

[meesterperfect]

ok so I'm wrong.
should fill up this thread with videos?
if you want to deny it go ahead, all I'm saying is that whenever you see mobs of people in the united states going on ape shit looting sprees 9 out of 10 times its blacks or mexicans.
if you disagree fine, no problem.

my conclusion was its a cultural thing.

and thanks for not calling me a racist, thats mighty white of you.- Harry Callahan

 

[Hot Mega]

ok so I'm wrong.
should fill up this thread with videos?
if you want to deny it go ahead, all I'm saying is that whenever you see mobs of people in the united states going on ape shit looting sprees 9 out of 10 times its blacks or mexicans.
if you disagree fine, no problem.

my conclusion was its a cultural thing.

and thanks for not calling me a racist, thats mighty white of you.- Harry Callahan

Historical lesson:

Worst riot in US history was the draft riot of 1863.

Then there is the 'Stonewall Riots' 1969 involving gays and lesbos (In Greenwich Village no less.)

The Chicago riots or 1968 over the Vietnam War

The Kent St. riots.

The Seattle WTO riots

The Pittsburgh G20 riots...

I could go on but really, I would suggest you just take a look at the complete history of rioting and not just the snippet of it you need in order to substantiate your predisposition.

 

[girk1]

Historical lesson:

Worst riot in US history was the draft riot of 1863.

Then there is the 'Stonewall Riots' 1969 involving gays and lesbos (In Greenwich Village no less.)

The Chicago riots or 1968 over the Vietnam War

The Kent St. riots.

The Seattle WTO riots

The Pittsburgh G20 riots...

I could go on but really, I would suggest you just take a look at the complete history of rioting and not just the snippet of it you need in order to substantiate your predisposition.

Still Schooling them huh?

Meesterperfect & Trident1 should be paying Hot Mega for the FREE education he is giving them.

I guess this is some type of reverse Affirmative Action Scholarship for 'angry White guys'?:1orglaugh



Must spread Rep

 

[Trident1]

Meesterperfect & Trident1 should be paying Hot Mega for the FREE education he is giving them.

Double your meds.

 

[Atar554]

Despite the furious flames I see going on between people in this thread it did get me thinking a little. Which hopefully was a good thing.

During Katrina there were a lot of bad things going on. Government wasn't helping and people were stranded...looting and killing occured etc...

Given that Japan is largely made up of Japanese, even though they do have different ethnic groups within that term, they are largely related. Japan also has like many other countries, a healthy dose of xenophobia.

Perhaps if minorities were larger in Japan a similar response would have been seen there? Especially in a city that were predominately inhabited by minorities?

The fact is racism is everywhere and Japanese people aren't perfectly robotic in their behavior. I think in their situation they have more common ancestry and skin color going on than the Katrina disaster did. That might have helped in not creating un-needed tension between groups of people.

 

[Hot Mega]

Despite the furious flames I see going on between people in this thread it did get me thinking a little. Which hopefully was a good thing.

During Katrina there were a lot of bad things going on. Government wasn't helping and people were stranded...looting and killing occured etc...

Given that Japan is largely made up of Japanese, even though they do have different ethnic groups within that term, they are largely related. Japan also has like many other countries, a healthy dose of xenophobia.

Perhaps if minorities were larger in Japan a similar response would have been seen there? Especially in a city that were predominately inhabited by minorities?

The fact is racism is everywhere and Japanese people aren't perfectly robotic in their behavior. I think in their situation they have more common ancestry and skin color going on than the Katrina disaster did. That might have helped in not creating un-needed tension between groups of people.

I don't think it's that complex at all. I don't give a fuck who you are or where from...if everything in your home is destroyed and wasted, you're stranded with no help in sight....and there's an abandoned market in front of you with a bunch of insured stores....you're probably going to help yourself to at least what you need. That's only common sense.

And criminals...which are virtually everywhere in the world are going to help themselves to what they want.

Desperation is a human predisposition and condition, not a racial or ethnic condition and most of us do what we have to when faced with it.

There were simply all manners of people taking advantage of the situation in NO in the absence of order. Even the cops were taking advantage of the situation to engage in their own criminality....something they're seemingly quite notorious for there.

I will say the circumstances are quite different anyway between the two disasters. So too apparently were the emergency responses. THAT'S the real contrast.

Katrina wasn't just a local embarrassment and a state embarrassment, it was a national embarrassment for the world to see. On the one hand...the US is in Iraq trying to tell them how to set their shit up after our man made disaster there. In the meantime we look for all the world to have a 3rd world response to a natural disaster here.

 

[Atar554]

I don't think it's that complex at all. I don't give a fuck who you are or where from...if everything in your home is destroyed and wasted, you're stranded with no help in sight....and there's an abandoned market in front of you with a bunch of insured stores....you're probably going to help yourself to at least what you need.

And criminals...which are virtually everywhere in the world are going to help themselves to what they want.

Desperation is a human condition not a racial or ethnic condition and most of us do what we have to when faced with it.

There were simply all manners of people taking advantage of the situation in NO in the absence of order. Even the cops were taking advantage of the situation to engage in their own criminality....something they're seemingly quite notorious for there.

I will say the circumstances are quite different anyway between the two disasters. So too apparently were the emergency responses. THAT'S the real contrast.

Katrina wasn't just a local embarrassment and a state embarrassment, it was a national embarrassment for the world to see. On the one hand...the US is in Iraq trying to tell them how to set their shit up after our man made disaster there. In the meantime we look for all the world to have a 3rd world response to a natural disaster here.

I agree. Since the desperation is universal though given those conditions. What's the fundamental difference between Japanese and American responses? What caused outlandish bs to happen in one and not the other?

I'm just honestly curious as I think going forward it's important we get our shit together for the next big disaster.

 

[CunningStunts]

And criminals...which are virtually everywhere in the world are going to help themselves to what they want.

Actually, as I posted early, the Yakuza was in there helping people right away with food, clothing, and shelter. :dunno:

 

[Hot Mega]

I agree. Since the desperation is universal though given those conditions. What's the fundamental difference between Japanese and American responses? What caused outlandish bs to happen in one and not the other?

I'm just honestly curious as I think going forward it's important we get our shit together for the next big disaster.

The fundamental differences IMO were first the nature of the Japanese disaster from that of Katrina...

NO is below sea level... I'm not aware of any of the affected areas in Japan being below sea level. So first of all...after the tidal wave...most of the water should have receded on it's own there. Not so with Katrina... In NO it was like water spilling over into a bowl...and stayed that way for days.

Someone in this thread made the laughable remark that there were reports of people being stranded in water for hours in Japan and remained calm (or whatever).

No shit??:1orglaugh There were people trapped and stranded for days in NO..

NO was flooded in areas for days...

NO didn't have available to them many Nat. Guard resources...contrastingly we were able to send contingents of SAR teams to Japan within a day or so.

Culturally you have people in NO who I imagine have heard similar warnings countless times where it never was as bad. Many probably didn't have the means to evacuate and probably no place they could go even if they could. (Think about it, if someone told the average person to get out of town on a couple of days notice it would be a logistical 'difficulty' for many).

Culturally, you had poor..in some case uncouth individuals left in disaster area with no resources, help nor order. They may see some allegiance to old Joe's corner store but some electronics dept. store or what have you...the common poor person happening upon that situation in NO is probably going to take advantage of it. The good thing...the shit is most likely insured.:dunno:

Actually, as I posted early, the Yakuza was in there helping people right away with food, clothing, and shelter. :dunno:

Well, I wouldn't expect the Gambino crime family to be out looting either. Well, some of their lower level goons would as that's part of their racket but in many ways Yakuza is modeled after many other organized crime syndicates...they betroth themselves to the plight of the community and through that endearment comes part of their strength.

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

very insightful response.
again youve not only proven that I am a nazi but just how original and articulative you are.

wouldnt be a thread without accusations of being a nazi tossed about by yours truly

 

[Trident1]

The fundamental differences IMO were first the nature of the Japanese disaster from that of Katrina...

NO is below sea level... I'm not aware of any of the affected areas in Japan being below sea level. So first of all...after the tidal wave...most of the water should have receded on it's own there. Not so with Katrina... In NO it was like water spilling over into a bowl...and stayed that way for days.

.

Oh Meg.


Both were disasters and both were comparable especially to those involved. Yes NO is below sea level..................but so are parts of the Tohoku coastline/inland region thanks to the quake.



The Japanese farm land is currently unusable not because of water but contaminants and salt. In NO they too had waterborne contaminants pollute all effected areas.

 

[Hot Mega]

Oh Meg.


Both were disasters and both were comparable especially to those involved. Yes NO is below sea level..................but so are parts of the Tohoku coastline/inland region thanks to the quake.



The Japanese farm land is currently unusable not because of water but contaminants and salt. In NO they too had waterborne contaminants pollute all effected areas.

Oh Tri :Face-palm:

Presumably what the thread was attempting to do was draw distinctions in the responses to Katrina vs. the Japanese response to this tsunami.

Despite your double speak in the above it's pretty clear the circumstances in Japan were quite different as compared to what happened in NO.

The major distinction is in the fact that there was very little warning for the tsunami ensuring many more people would be doomed before they could evacuate.

But what in blazing blue chiclets does the status of Japanese farmland have to do with the emergency circumstances in the immediate aftermath of both disasters??

They were both disasters of different scopes. And trying to make a test cases out of them for comparisons ...especially as it relates to the implied societal differences is pretty childish and IMO.

If you want to discuss how people react to frustration, lack of authority, etc...that should be a separate topic. Then we can discuss the history of 'civil unrest and the consistent themes which motivate people to this kind of action.

 

[meesterperfect]

Historical lesson:

Worst riot in US history was the draft riot of 1863.

Then there is the 'Stonewall Riots' 1969 involving gays and lesbos (In Greenwich Village no less.)

The Chicago riots or 1968 over the Vietnam War

The Kent St. riots.

The Seattle WTO riots

The Pittsburgh G20 riots...

I could go on but really, I would suggest you just take a look at the complete history of rioting and not just the snippet of it you need in order to substantiate your predisposition.

thanks for the history lesson on riots.
there have been riots all through history. I dont need mega to teach me that.
I was talking about looting.

Still Schooling them huh?

Meesterperfect & Trident1 should be paying Hot Mega for the FREE education he is giving them.

I guess this is some type of reverse Affirmative Action Scholarship for 'angry White guys'?:1orglaugh



Must spread Rep

I aint angry. you angry?

ok i retract my statement.
blacks and mexicans dont go on ape shit looting sprees in the usa.
I apologize for saying that because i realize now just how racist is was of me to say even though i said it as a response to another post that said whites loot more or something,, which incidentally was not racist in the least bit.

 

[Hot Mega]

thanks for the history lesson on riots.
there have been riots all through history. I dont need mega to teach me that.
I was talking about looting.

meester....Must I even have to give you history lessons on your own posts???

You said mentioned recent riots then ask (paraphrasing), why is the first thing black and mexicans do is to loot..?

I see you probably need a history lesson on looting too.:dunno:

You remember Rummy's famous 'same vase' statement in reference to Iraqis looting....

Beyond that, if you want to try and parse your narrow view on this to simply looting, history is rife with looting too prior to the incidents you mention and not just by blacks and mexicans either.

More recently though:(Hint: It's 'talking about looting':2 cents

More than 560 people were arrested across Toronto over the weekend after violence erupted between riot police and masked protesters as leaders of the G20 countries gathered behind the toughest security cordon in the history of the summit.

Many of those arrested had been staging peaceful protests, but trouble broke out on Saturday afternoon when a group of anarchists broke away from the main, non-violent protest by trade unions and other groups around the summit conference centre and began smashing the windows of banks and chain stores and torching police patrol cars in the shopping and financial districts. They covered their faces, and used litter bins, poles and bricks to smash the facades of an Urban Outfitters, a branch of Scotia Bank and an Adidas store. Footage from the Canadian broadcaster CTV also showed them looting, and threatening photographers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/27/g20-rioters-toronto-protests

Re riots;

Excerpt from a PM with Johan after I said the French were figuratively a 'riot'

Funny expression... particulary because riot is kind of a french speciality : everytime we think something is wrong, we don't try to negociate : We straigly go street protesting. It's always been this way, since the Revolution. Riot is in our genes.

So yeah, I guess we are really a riot

 

[Trident1]

Oh Tri :Face-palm:

Presumably what the thread was attempting to do was draw distinctions in the responses to Katrina vs. the Japanese response to this tsunami.

Despite your double speak in the above it's pretty clear the circumstances in Japan were quite different as compared to what happened in NO.

The major distinction is in the fact that there was very little warning for the tsunami ensuring many more people would be doomed before they could evacuate.

But what in blazing blue chiclets does the status of Japanese farmland have to do with the emergency circumstances in the immediate aftermath of both disasters??

They were both disasters of different scopes. And trying to make a test cases out of them for comparisons ...especially as it relates to the implied societal differences is pretty childish and IMO.

If you want to discuss how people react to frustration, lack of authority, etc...that should be a separate topic. Then we can discuss the history of 'civil unrest and the consistent themes which motivate people to this kind of action.

Remember the key are the differences/similarities of the victims reactions to the disaster. You were trying unsuccessfully to say the NO shouldn't be used as a scenario because it wasn't as bad as Japan's disaster. Obvious cover for your unsuccessful attempt to paint this thread as racist. You struck out.

Keep trying Meg.....maybe one day you'll hit the ball.:1orglaugh


Feel free to start your own thread on basket weaving.