If a God Exists.......

[Vlad The Impaler]

Spelling Police: To Serve and Correct. lol
And I am sure you have NEVER had a typo before. Right?
Now are you going to offer ANYTHING relevant to the OP's topic or what?




I was asked for examples and I provided a plethora of them.
I have not seen anyone give a single example that logically shows why god does exist, just statements saying they believe that he does.

You provided examples of why a book, the Bible, written by men, is wrong. You did not disprove the existence of God. Even Albert Einstein believed in God. And need I say it, your no Einstein!

 

[roronoa3000]

No, you can not logically do that. You can however hate the idea of Sith Lords.
Your move

No I am sure I hate Sith Lords.
...and Sauron.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

If you have been agreeing with me the whole time then why didnt you just say so?

Whoa mother fucker dont be putting words in my mouth. I don't agree with anything you said.

 

[roronoa3000]

You can say there is no concrete evidence he exist, they can say there is no concrete evidence he doesn't exist.

You will never convert believers into atheist so whats the point?

 

[Nokternal]

You provided examples of why a book, the Bible, written by men, is wrong. You did not disprove the existence of God. Even Albert Einstein believed in God. And need I say it, your no Einstein!

Albert Einstein said he believed in god because he was trying to maintain credibility with the overwhelmingly religious community while expressing (at the time) radical theories.

The Bible and other religious texts are the closest thing to actual evidence of God. Logically if you disprove them, you also disprove their content.

No I am sure I hate Sith Lords.
...and Sauron.

Now you are just being silly again.

You can say there is no concrete evidence he exist, they can say there is no concrete evidence he doesn't exist.

Is this a sentence?

You will never convert believers into atheist so whats the point?

Only because they refuse to think, or to use the power of reasoning and simple logic.

 

[Big Poppa Pump]

Well, I see I should have asked this Nokternal guy directly. He obviously has an answer to fucking everything. :thefinger

 

[Nokternal]

Whoa mother fucker dont be putting words in my mouth. I don't agree with anything you said.

If you are not religious, then inherently you agree with everything I have said.

Whatever dude. I can't get it through your thick fuckin skull that I am not religious, and I bow to no one. I'm going to find more pics of Penny Mathias. Later.

Well, I see I should have asked this Nokternal guy directly. He obviously has an answer to fucking everything. :thefinger

If you didn't want people's answers then why did you ask the question at all? Or is it that you only wanted certain answers from people with a specific point of view? It is an open forum isn't it?

 

[roronoa3000]

Only because they refuse to think, or to use the power of reasoning and simple logic.

That's your opinion, not fact.

 

[Nokternal]

You will never convert believers into atheist so whats the point?

That is your opinion, not fact.

 

[RicoSuave25]

ooops...backing out of this thread
:violent:

 

[Trident1]

What's it about then? What is your point about being on your deathbed as opposed to being 25 years old sitting behind a computer?

I though the same way when I was in my 20s. That a God didn't exist, that their was no afterlife that when loved ones die they don't move on.
That was then. Now I'm 42 and I've seen death up close. You change, I've changed 180 degrees since then. Everyone changes ultimately.

 

[roronoa3000]

Originally Posted by roronoa3000
You will never convert believers into atheist so whats the point?

That is your opinion, not fact.

Have you?

 

[Nokternal]

I though the same way when I was in my 20s. That a God didn't exist, that their was no afterlife that when loved ones die they don't move on.
That was then. Now I'm 42 and I've seen death up close. You change, I've changed 180 degrees since then. Everyone changes ultimately.

What you are describing sounds more like you simply gave up hope and fell back on the safety net that is religion. It is a great way to deny the harshness of reality.
You are right about everyone changing though. Having been in the military since I was 17 years old I have been up close with death myself. I was also one of the first people on the scene of my younger brothers fatal car accident. His last words were "well, this doesn't seem very fair.." and he looked at me with such confusion. And then he was gone. That was on my 18th birthday. It was these events that made me begin to truly question my faith in the first place. It still took me years to realize just how wrong and harmful religion really is to society.

You are right, every one does ultimately change. If I didn't believe that I wouldn't be wasting my jerk off time in threads like this one.

Have you?

It can be hard to tell what religious people are truly thinking... they tend to carry very strong feelings of denial about the cold realities of the world around them. Besides, whether I have or not is not relevant to the opinion you stated. You said I never will change anyone's mind, not that I never have.
That's like saying to someone they will never get laid. It's an opinion, not a fact. Whether they are a virgin or not is irrelevant.

 

[Automate]

Arg. This is turning into a Flame war now. Not entirely surprising though. Bye.

 

[Nokternal]

I have been diligently avoiding flaming through out the thread. I don't see a flame war here, just a discussion among people with very different points of view on an interesting subject..

What I would consider an ideal society is one where the question of God and religion simply never came up in serious conversation other than from a historical point of view.
In ancient Greece and the Roman Empire the people had a very limited understanding of the workings and goings on in the world around them. They had not developed many ways to test theories about nature and how it works. To compensate they used religion to explain the then unexplainable.
They truly believed in Zues, Hera, Hercules, and all the other myths that went along with them. But if you asked some one today if they believed in the Greek or Roman gods and Goddesses they would think you were joking.
I hope that in the future we as a more educated, enlightened, and deeper thinking (things have to change drastically, I know), culture, we will look back on all religion with this attitude. If I walked up to you in this future and asked you if you believed in God, You Might respond by saying, "You mean like in ancient Christian Myths?" And you would think the question silly.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Albert Einstein said he believed in god because he was trying to maintain credibility with the overwhelmingly religious community while expressing (at the time) radical theories.

The Bible and other religious texts are the closest thing to actual evidence of God. Logically if you disprove them, you also disprove their content.

I'm fairly certain that the Salem Witch Trials were over by the early 20th century. In what overwhelming religious communities might you be referring to, the Nazis? Dumb ass, he's from Germany you know. And he was a practicing jew.

The concept of God did not originate in a book.

If you are not religious, then inherently you agree with everything I have said.

Your logic is flawed and your no where near as intelligent as I gave you credit for. Do not insist that I agree with you when I'm telling you that I do not.

 

[Nokternal]

You are the one who said you are not religious.. am I missing something?

 

[Supafly]

Name them. Examples. Quotes from the scientific community denouncing the existence of God. Come on mister know it all. You can't because there is no such proof either way.

There is the key problem.

As religion is not about knowing but about believing... if you are deciding to accept a religious lifestyle, you accept therefore to leave the concept of reason behind.

Personally, for me to accept a higher deity, they have to step up to me and prove they are having those godly powers.

Here is my offer to any god etc:

Come down to earth, teleport me over to the Gulf of Mexico, and put all that oil spill into a number of large tankers you create, too and fix the oil spill down there.

I dare you. Put out, if you exist. If nothing happens in the coming week, you do not exist or you are no god.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

You are the one who said you are not religious.. am I missing something?

A great deal. Go back and read my posts. It's 2:30 in the morning I'm out of here.

 

[ballzano]

I have been diligently avoiding flaming through out the thread. I don't see a flame war here, just a discussion among people with very different points of view on an interesting subject..

What I would consider an ideal society is one where the question of God and religion simply never came up in serious conversation other than from a historical point of view.
In ancient Greece and the Roman Empire the people had a very limited understanding of the workings and goings on in the world around them. They had not developed many ways to test theories about nature and how it works. To compensate they used religion to explain the then unexplainable.
They truly believed in Zues, Hera, Hercules, and all the other myths that went along with them. But if you asked some one today if they believed in the Greek or Roman gods and Goddesses they would think you were joking.
I hope that in the future we as a more educated, enlightened, and deeper thinking (things have to change drastically, I know), culture, we will look back on all religion with this attitude. If I walked up to you in this future and asked you if you believed in God, You Might respond by saying, "You mean like in ancient Christian Myths?" And you would think the question silly.

something smells like shie here ^^^^^^^^^ . Hotmega?