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Name them. Examples. Quotes from the scientific community denouncing the existence of God. Come on mister know it all. You can't because there is no such proof either way.

Well now that you asked so nicely :rofl:

I"d like to start by asking the following; why do people believe so strongly in their faith besides being raised in the dogma's environment? There is nothing to back up these believes other than the sales pitches of their religious leaders. People believe in whatever they're told to believe. Ask yourself this; if you believe in a specific belief of another religion (for example, if you're Jewish do you believe Jesus was the son of god?). Assuming in this case you would answer negatively, then I would ask you whether you think you would believe that if you were born in a Christian country to Christian parents...


HERE are a few proofs that it is all malarkey
Creationism is often the root of the Religious persons faith structure. With the wealth of reasonable evidence concerning its infeasibility, I would start by including arguments concerning evolution, radiocarbon dating (as ridiculous as it may sound, many Christians and other religious types believe that the earth is 6000 years old).
I would be very interested in admission of evidence where creationism is given some theoretical weight, besides the bible or similar religious text.

Religion's roots are easily shown to be created by man. Examples of this might include (if challenged by a Christian) that the "devil" was not present in religious texts until the nomadic monotheists ran into polytheists and borrowed the idea.

Religion, throughout history, has been used to control the masses, rather than enlighten them. Example's of this include the Christian crusades, and the present day suicide bombings of Muslims. Are [insert faith here] really that different?

Religious texts are made up and inconsistent, and can not be backed up by theory. In the case of the bible, often entire verses, stories, and anecdotes were falsified for the sake of making a point. There are massive plot holes, inconsistencies and illogical and impossible things.

Religion has been often used to explain the unexplainable. The Greeks used Poseidon to explain how earthquakes happened (which we now know is due to the movement of tectonic plates). What happens when we can prove, and you can't deny, the Big Bang theory and Evolution, which both have such large amounts of logic behind them that it's hard to deny that they are true.

When having this debate religious people often ask me, "What happens after death?" Many Christians try to use this argument to trick you into thinking you have to go to heaven. However, I approach this by relating this to something that has already happened. What happened before you were born? Nothing in the bible says anything about this.

I'd like to finish by asking a question to which any logical answer would disprove the existence of God;
If God wanted to, could He could create a box which He couldn't look into? Most people who believe in God believe that, by definition, God is omnipotent. There is no answer to this question that doesn't imply that there is something God cannot do, which goes against the very definition of said being.
 

Ace Bandage

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I checked the records, and in the 54,830,935 threads on religion, nobody ever convinced anyone else to switch sides. Crazy, huh? I mean, you would think that since we argue about it ever fucking day, somebody might have been swayed to believe a different way. But sadly, that hasn't happened yet.

So here's what we can do: you can stop arguing about this now, or I can kill all of you and bury you in my backyard. I'm cool either way.
 

Vlad The Impaler

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I admit that's impressive. But i don't think we're talking about religion. I personally do not believe in religion I believe in spirituality. That there's something greater than me and the human race. I look at it like this, if I believe in God and it turns out there isn't one then I lose nothing. On the other hand if there is a God then I gain everything.

Edit: This was meant for Nokternal. I clicked quote but apparently it didn't work.
 
I checked the records, and in the 54,830,935 threads on religion, nobody ever convinced anyone else to switch sides. Crazy, huh? I mean, you would think that since we argue about it ever fucking day, somebody might have been swayed to believe a different way. But sadly, that hasn't happened yet.

So here's what we can do: you can stop arguing about this now, or I can kill all of you and bury you in my backyard. I'm cool either way.

ooOOOOoooh! I've always wanted to see your back yard. :cool:
 
I checked the records, and in the 54,830,935 threads on religion, nobody ever convinced anyone else to switch sides. Crazy, huh? I mean, you would think that since we argue about it ever fucking day, somebody might have been swayed to believe a different way. But sadly, that hasn't happened yet.

That's not true religious people lose their "faith" and atheists "Find God" all the time.

I admit that's impressive. But i don't think we're talking about religion. I personally do not believe in religion I believe in spirituality. That there's something greater than me and the human race. I look at it like this, if I believe in God and it turns out there isn't one then I lose nothing. On the other hand if there is a God then I gain everything.

I view spirituality, religion, and superstition all to be of the same nature and equally silly. They are also all equally disprovable by very similar, if not identical, arguments such as the ones I have already given.
 

Vlad The Impaler

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That's not true religious people lose their "faith" and atheists "Find God" all the time.



I view spirituality, religion, and superstition all to be of the same nature and equally silly. They are also all equally disprovable by very similar, if not identical, arguments such as the ones I have already given.

That's patently untrue and very narrow minded for someone who claims to be open minded. I said that what you said was impressive I didn't say it was true or that you showed any proof. Not even science can explain everything. You want people to respect your beliefs, views and nature. That door swings both ways pale.
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
That's not true religious people lose their "faith" and atheists "Find God" all the time.

Did You Miss the part where I mentioned threads on FO, fucktard? Yeah, you did.

Argument fail/10 - your head, a toilet: make friends.
 
Argument fail/10 - your head, a toilet: make friends.

Oh and THAT argument is so mature and convincing. :rofl:

I look at it like this, if I believe in God and it turns out there isn't one then I lose nothing. On the other hand if there is a God then I gain everything.

By the very holy (and i mean having lots of holes in it, not the religious sense of the word) definition of God then theoretically if God does exist then you should still have everything to gain even if you don't believe in him. You should just be able to live a good and moral life and still get into heaven whether you were religious or not. It shouldn't be about doing this :bowdown: it should be about doing what is right BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT.

This brings me to another point. If God does exist (which he does not) as defined by religion then he is undeniably and unequivocally Evil.
 

Ace Bandage

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By the very holy (and i mean having lots of holes in it, not the religious sense of the word)

1. holey - having holes or full of holes.
2. holy - religious sense, worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness.

Intelligence fail/10 - Awesome, you're on a role, man. Keep it up! :thumbsup:
 
1. holey - having holes or full of holes.
2. holy - religious sense, worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness.

Intelligence fail/10 - you're on a role, man. Keep it up! :thumbsup:

Spelling Police: To Serve and Correct. lol
And I am sure you have NEVER had a typo before. Right?
Now are you going to offer ANYTHING relevant to the OP's topic or what?


I said that what you said was impressive I didn't say it was true or that you showed any proof.

I was asked for examples and I provided a plethora of them.
I have not seen anyone give a single example that logically shows why god does exist, just statements saying they believe that he does.
 

Vlad The Impaler

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Oh and THAT argument is so mature and convincing. :rofl:



By the very holy (and i mean having lots of holes in it, not the religious sense of the word) definition of God then theoretically if God does exist then you should still have everything to gain even if you don't believe in him. You should just be able to live a good and moral life and still get into heaven whether you were religious or not. It shouldn't be about doing this :bowdown: it should be about doing what is right BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT.


This brings me to another point. If God does exist (which he does not) as defined by religion then he is undeniably and unequivocally Evil.

Whatever dude. I can't get it through your thick fuckin skull that I am not religious, and I bow to no one. I'm going to find more pics of Penny Mathias. Later.
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
Spelling Police: To Serve and Correct. lol
And I am sure you have NEVER had a typo before. Right?
Now are you going to offer ANYTHING relevant to the OP's topic or what?

Feel free to examine my posts for spelling errors. I might have made an occasional grammatical mistake (highly unlikely), but I mastered spelling after third grade.

I'm an atheist, but I don't try to convince other people to believe the same way that I do. I can respect that religion has advantages for certain people, and I leave it at that.
 
Whatever dude. I can't get it through your thick fuckin skull that I am not religious, and I bow to no one. I'm going to find more pics of Penny Mathias. Later.

If you have been agreeing with me the whole time then why didnt you just say so? :confused:

Feel free to examine my posts for spelling errors. I might have made an occasional grammatical mistake (highly unlikely), but I mastered spelling after third grade.

I'm an atheist, but I don't try to convince other people to believe the same way that I do. I can respect that religion has advantages for certain people, and I leave it at that.

I could argue that I did not have a spelling error either, it was a grammatical error. But that would be off topic nitpicking.

As for why I try to convince people to see my point of view;
A. It is what this thread is about
B. It is one of my deepest convictions that religion is actually harmful, not helpful.
You are correct that religion is advantageous for certain people though.. just look at the amount of gold inside the Vatican! lol
 
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