The Official 2007/08 NCAA Football Thread

[titsrock]

Bitter day for this Trojan fan. As I stated here in this thread last week...John David Booty is a complete fraud. 4INTs against a cream puff Stanford team is disgraceful. He should be benched OR AT THE MINIMUM the QB position should be opened up for competition...I REALLY want to see Mark Sanchez get a look.

BUT...the bigger issue is that USC has 3 SERIOUS problems which CANNOT BE DENIED.

Problem 1--JDBooty is a complete bust. He is horribly average. Average ability gets you a job at some schools..not USC. There are too many good options that are available at Carroll's disposal NOT to do something. If Pete Carroll's chest-thumping stuff about "there's so much competition at SC..." "If you don't perform at practice you don't play on Sat.." All this is meaningless if you aren't willing to put the QB position under the same scrutiny as the other positions on the team. USC has the pedigree NOT TO SETTLE FOR AVERAGE PLAY!!! I'm sorry that Booty came to USC early and dutiful hung it out while Leinart came back for his Senior year. That's life. It's criminal to hold back other players because you feel someone is owed a shot or you promised someone a job....
Bottomline...give Sanchez reps and make it clear to Booty that he's on notice.

Problem 2--Pete Carroll's refusal to blitz...ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GAME IS ON THE LINE! I believe Pete Carroll believes blitzing is for crappy defenses. We RARELY BLITZ. Carroll prefers to go with base 4 rush and MAYBE...he'll send a corner on a blitz. The NC game against Texas was lost not just because Lendale White couldn't make the first down..it was also because SC refused to blitz Vince Young. The containment approach let him simply run by people on that night. Tonight...I have no excuses to offer why he didn't call a FUCKING BLITZ ON 4TH AND 20 AT HOME!!! THAT'S BASIC COLLEGE FOOTBALL 101 Coach! Maybe the Pro's don't blitz in that situation but this AIN'T THE NFL!!

Problem 3--Young Freshman/Sophmore All-Americans not developing fast enough. Clearly our WRs, as a collective are average right now. They can't cover Booty's incompetence as Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett could. It took Dwayne Jarrett 1 game to become a reliable WR. It took Mike Williams 3 games before he became a supreme stud. Patrick Turner is a Junior and is totally useless as a WR. He needs to be benched. His drops did not help anything. Maybe he can only play decent if he's the 3rd option. He can't play as Option1. None of the other WRs are worth anything at this moment. USC can't hope that Fred Davis (TE) and Stanley Havili (FB) can remain the best receivers. That can't continue. Part of this player development problem is that there's too much substitution. The coaching staff has too many players playing. There needs to be DEFINITE STARTERS and DEFINITE BACKUPS...no more promising true Freshmen playing time. It just destroys team unity. Everyone is either looking over their shoulder or they can't just step in and dominate like we think they should. OR...perhaps a lot of the highly rated talent that is new to the program is being exposed as of average ability--players like Ausberry, Hazelton, Bradford, Lawrence Jackson, Joe McKnight..etc.etc.

I realize probably only Satyricon will appreciate this GENIUS ANALYSIS..but I'm just bitter. I feel a lot of these problems are a manifest of stubborness rather than stupidity.

Maybe Pete Carroll has promised the QB position to Booty no matter what and maybe he promised a lot of the new recruits playing time every game...

Right now..this team will get smoked by Cal and the Oregon game is a toss-up...

 

[slikpulla152]

^:rofl:

your Trojans let Jim Harbaugh, who talked all that shit, come to the Collisieum and kick your teams ass... i know it hurts, it's just funny to me.

 

[titsrock]

Everyone talks shit about USC...see Les Miles for example. If SC didn't lose, Florida would've beaten them tonight.

I take it as a complement that everyone hates USC.

There are big problems in LA...tonight is proof of that. Hell, Jim Harbaugh probably looked at 5 minutes of SC tape and laughed that JDBooty was the starting QB. He probably knew then we were ripe for the taking as long as he's behind center.

Stanford, ultimately, is a nonfactor in college football. There aren't enough High School All-Americans who can gain acceptance into Stanford for them to ever mount a challenge for anything. Trust me...this was Stanford's Bowl Game tonight. They showed up...played pretty good and got the W.

If we lose to Cal...that might due real damage...

 

[TheSatyrIcon]

Bitter day for this Trojan fan.
I realize probably only Satyricon will appreciate this GENIUS ANALYSIS..but I'm just bitter. I feel a lot of these problems are a manifest of stubborness rather than stupidity.

Right now..this team will get smoked by Cal and the Oregon game is a toss-up...

I agree wholeheartedly, titsrock; I watched the opening quarter between USC and Stanford and just FELT something bad was brewing (I switched to LSU/Florida). Early drops and bad throws... and I feeling that the Trojans were going to play like they did against Washington. Unfortunately, no win this time.

The Trojans have to shake up their QB/WR situation; until then, there is no need for opposing teams to worry about the passing attack and no RB/RB tandem will emerge because there will be no soft spots created by the air attack.

Also, some of the problem may lie in the USC Tradition now of Show Up and Win; when you play to the talent level of the opposition, you keep them in the game, and everyone should be hungry to knockout the Trojans... The Huskies didn't give a fuck about ranking, just wanted to beat their rivals and almost beat them they did. Stanford caught the Trojans at the right place, right time.

So basically, to a critical eye, USC is somewhat fucked until they get on-track offensively. Look at the teams in the Pac-10: Oregon's offensive is probably one of the best in the country with Cal's second in the conference... and I don't think USC's comes anywhere close and their defense won't be able to stop them.

The Satyr Icon

 

[slikpulla152]

If we lose to Cal...that might due real damage...

the damage has been done...




p.s. Cal is better than Stanford so i don't see what your saying.

 

[titsrock]

the damage has been done...

p.s. Cal is better than Stanford so i don't see what your saying.

The reason why losing to Cal is worse than using to Stanford...recruiting. We won't lose any recruits to Stanford. They aren't recruiting on our level. Cal could win recruits with a win. Oh and there's that thing about Cal being #2 in the nation now...and Stanford being ranked..probably #92. What do you think is more likely to happen now...Stanford to go on a roll and win all their games? Haha. Not likely. This was their Bowl Game. They'll lose out the rest of the season. Mark my words.

The goal, Slik, is to win an NC...when that evaporates..focus shifts to the Conference Title. USC is "technically" not eliminated from the NC at this point. It looks shaky, for sure, but with all the 1-loss teams and with all the tough games remaining for everyone in the Top5...it's unlikely that 2 undefeateds will meet in the NC.

Obviously it will be difficult..but USC has won an NC with a loss before...see 2003.

I think SC is on the ropes if they don't get realistic and stop rotating all these offensive players after every play...if they don't take a look at the backup QB. Booty has thrown 7 INTs in 2 weeks (shit did I read that correct?)..he is not up to par to play the QB position at USC at this time. We have options on the bench. I'd like to look at them. I'd also like to see some of those clever blitzes that Pete Carroll supposedly has because I hear so many analysts gush over them. Or maybe after 7 years...the other conference coaches are finally "wising up" to what Pete is doing defensively....

 

[D-rock]

I realize probably only Satyricon will appreciate this GENIUS ANALYSIS..but I'm just bitter. I feel a lot of these problems are a manifest of stubborness rather than stupidity.

It could be worse. USC is one of the few schools that people get upset and wonder what's wrong when they are not number one, at least the last couple of years. Not to mention they have either been #1 in recruiting or close to it lately. Most places would love to be that bad.

 

[slikpulla152]

The reason why losing to Cal is worse than using to Stanford...recruiting. We won't lose any recruits to Stanford. They aren't recruiting on our level. Cal could win recruits with a win. Oh and there's that thing about Cal being #2 in the nation now...and Stanford being ranked..probably #92. What do you think is more likely to happen now...Stanford to go on a roll and win all their games? Haha. Not likely. This was their Bowl Game. They'll lose out the rest of the season. Mark my words.

The goal, Slik, is to win an NC...when that evaporates..focus shifts to the Conference Title. USC is "technically" not eliminated from the NC at this point. It looks shaky, for sure, but with all the 1-loss teams and with all the tough games remaining for everyone in the Top5...it's unlikely that 2 undefeateds will meet in the NC.

i get the point about recruiting but that's a longterm issue, but National Championship hahahaha.

Just another reason why they need to institute a playoff system. If USC gets voted into the National Championship, it will be just another question mark "what if this team was in the championship" season.

If SC gets voted in over Ohio State or BC even if these teams end up with 1 loss, how would that look?

 

[Iamforever]

recruiting eh? nebraska got the #16 ranked player in the country to sign. he is a qb. :nanner:

 

[bodie54]

I take it as a complement that everyone hates USC.

I did some time at the U of Spoiled Children. Everybody hates USC because over the years only Notre Dame has been their equal when it comes to arrogance.

Hell, Jim Harbaugh probably looked at 5 minutes of SC tape and laughed that JDBooty was the starting QB. He probably knew then we were ripe for the taking as long as he's behind center.

Eh, Booty is no more "mediocre" than the supposed can't miss across town, Ben Olson. Plus Booty has a much deeper supporting cast. Still, UCLA managed to crush Stanford at Stanford.

The one "name" team USC has beaten so far absolutely got their corn holes husked by Missouri, so yeah there's reason for some worry at Heritage Hall.

No longer defeated: Notre Dame; for shame UCLA, for shame!

Not really. If UCLA had had even the underachiving Olson at QB the whole game, rather than a kid who's spent his college career as a tackling dummy, there's little doubt the Domers would be 0 and 6.

 

[Iamforever]

I did some time at the U of Spoiled Children. Everybody hates USC because when it comes to arrogance, only Notre Dame is their equal.

i hate usc because i couldnt go there. they recruited me. but it got fucked up, so fuck usc. altough usc is okay. yes, south caroLina I have nothing against.

 

[bodie54]

^
Sorry you got fucked up IAF, but based on what I know of you from this board I think you'd have hated going to school there.

 

[Iamforever]

^
Sorry you got fucked up IAF, but based on what I know of you from this board I think you'd have hated going to school there.

i know. i do know. but usc at the time was a power.

 

[MILF Man]

Pretty good game last night between LSU and Florida.

 

[D-rock]

Pretty good game last night between LSU and Florida.

I think LSU made some gutsy calls late in the game, but they ended up working out for them.

 

[titsrock]

I did some time at the U of Spoiled Children. Everybody hates USC because over the years only Notre Dame has been their equal when it comes to arrogance.

True about Notre Dame. I think Texas is on par with arrogance, also. Can't forget Michigan, too, when it comes to arrogance. North Carolina and Duke are arrogant over Basketball. Texas, Meatchicken and UNC are public schools. Part of USC's problem is private school jealousy. The educational value of a USC degree has increased over the years. Texas and Michigan have regional haters but positive national opinions, imo. I think SC inspires hatred across the nation on the same level as Notre Dame.

Eh, Booty is no more "mediocre" than the supposed can't miss across town, Ben Olson. Plus Booty has a much deeper supporting cast. Still, UCLA managed to crush Stanford at Stanford.

The one "name" team USC has beaten so far absolutely got their corn holes husked by Missouri, so yeah there's reason for some worry at Heritage Hall.

There's no point in analyzing ucla football. Who the hell knows why they can't find consistency. Atleast the Bruins aren't afraid to bench the "can't miss" QB when he fucks up. For some reason Pete Carroll has blinders on when it comes to Booty.

Not really. If UCLA had had even the underachiving Olson at QB the whole game, rather than a kid who's spent his college career as a tackling dummy, there's little doubt the Domers would be 0 and 6.

I agree with this. I actually felt bad for the walkon QB. He was really trying hard but he was way over his head. And what was more pathetic was to see Notre Dame celebrate like they clinched a spot in the BCS.

What annoys me is that people seem to calling the USC/Stanford game "the greatest upset in the history of college football"...gimme a fucking break. Great upsets are remembered...people will remember Appalachian State beating Michigan much moreso then SC losing to Stanford. It may be the most absurd loss in the history...

There are major major problems in Troy. If Pete Carroll doesn't exercise some realistic decision making...there will be more losses to come.

Based on my impressions of IAF...I agree he would've hated going to USC.

 

[titsrock]

If SC gets voted in over Ohio State or BC even if these teams end up with 1 loss, how would that look?

It depends on a lot of factors. Generally speaking...it comes down to momentum. USC/Oklahoma have a loss early in the season. Okie is above USC because of their win over Texas. USC is out of the NC if they and OU run the table. OU will go. BC and Ohio State might lost at the end of the season...which would penalize them more then if they lost early.

Also, generally speaking, top teams do not get blown out by anyone--creampuff or power program. This has hurt the Big12 because the Big12 Title game has featured a blowout upset several times. This helps the Pac10 because the conference doesn't have a Title game. USC lost by 1 point. They have yet to be thumped.

What will happen...if say there are 4--1 loss teams at the very end..there will be a split national champion. Not every 1 loss team will win their bowl game, either...

I don't think college programs want a playoff because a split national champion works equally well for recruiting. 2 schools would love the oppty to claim "we're the NC" on the recruiting trail...

 

[D-rock]

It depends on a lot of factors. Generally speaking...it comes down to momentum. USC/Oklahoma have a loss early in the season.

I have never understood this. I think it shows how flawed a voting system is. To me when somebody gets a loss in a season shouldn't matter all other things being equal.

 

[titsrock]

The real flaw, as I see it..is a Preseason Poll. There should be no football poll of any kind until 4-6 weeks into the season. That way all teams have a chance to impress. It wouldn't be "the usual suspects" hogging the top spots year in and year out.

I think a loss at the end of the season hurts because, generally speaking, the toughest games with the most pressure are at the end of the season...

 

[Iamforever]

I think a loss at the end of the season hurts because, generally speaking, the toughest games with the most pressure are at the end of the season...

:1orglaugh each and every week, there are tough games. the only reason why a loss at the end of the season hurts more is because there is no time to make it up. it has nothing to do with when the tough games are.