'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalty

Will any other states follow suit? Maybe it's because the US is so large but shouldn't a country as a whole either have the death penalty or not on principle, not exactly united when there are differing views on capital punishment.

'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor finally abolishes death penalty


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Abolished: Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn speak with reporters in his office after signing legislation abolishing the death penalty


The governor of Illinois has abolished the state's death penalty.

Pat Quinn signed legislation today abandoning capital punishment, two months after Illinois politicians voted to do the same and more than a decade after former Governor George Ryan imposed a moratorium because of concern that innocent people could be put to death.

Illinois now joins 15 other states which have done away with the death penalty. The new law takes effect July 1.

Mr Ryan, a Republican, imposed the moratorium in 2000, after the death sentences of 13 men were overturned.

He also cleared Death Row before leaving office in 2003 by commuting the sentences of 167 condemned inmates to life in prison.

Mr Quinn, a Democrat, has spent the last two months consulting with prosecutors, victims' families, death penalty opponents and religious leaders.

He also commuted the sentences of all 15 inmates remaining on Illinois' death row. They will now serve life in prison.

Illinois' attorney general was among those asking for a veto, saying safeguards are in place to prevent wrongful executions.

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Execution: Mr Quinn, a Democrat, has spent the last two months consulting with prosecutors, victims' families, death penalty opponents and religious leaders.


The Democrat called it the 'most difficult decision' he has made as governor.

He said: 'I think if you abolish the death penalty in Illinois, we should abolish it for everyone.'

New Mexico had been the most recent state to repeal the death penalty, doing so in 2009, although new Republican Gov. Susana Martinez wants to reinstate it.

Quinn consulted with retired Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa and met with Sister Helen Prejean, the inspiration for the movie 'Dead Man Walking.'

Despite wide spread support for the decision, Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan appealed directly to Quinn to veto the bill, as did several county prosecutors and victims' families.

They said safeguards, including videotaped interrogations and easier access to DNA evidence, were in place to prevent innocent people from being wrongly executed.

But death penalty opponents argued that there was still no guarantee that an innocent person couldn't be put to death.

Quinn's own lieutenant governor, Sheila Simon, a former southern Illinois prosecutor, asked him to abolish capital punishment.

Twelve men have been executed in Illinois since 1977, when the death penalty was reinstated.

The last was Andrew Kokoraleis on March 17, 1999.

At the time, the average length of stay on death row for the dozen men was 13 years.

Kokoraleis, convicted of mutilating and murdering a 21-year-old woman, was put to death by lethal injection.

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Celebration: Democrat state senator Kwame Raoul (left) and Republican Karen Yarbrough, celebrate legislation abolishing the death penalty


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Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Now what are they going to do the next time some POS kidnaps, molests, tortures, dismembers, cooks and eats some innocent, defenseless kid?? Oh, I forgot. Give 'em 3 squares, a pillow and free room and board for the rest of his life.:facepalm:

BTW, the US has the death penalty...meaning if you commit a qualifying federal crime the US g'ment can sentence and carryout the death penalty.

If the US didn't then no state within the US could as if the death penalty were ruled unconstitutional then no state could violate a persons constitutional protection from it.

The only problem I have with the death penalty is that it takes too long to carry out in cases where the guilt is non-circumstantial, obvious and overwhelming.

Re 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Correction. 'The dumbest decision I ever made'...(fixed).
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Now what are they going to do the next time some POS kidnaps, molests, tortures, dismembers, cooks and eats some innocent, defenseless kid?? Oh, I forgot. Give 'em 3 squares, a pillow and free room and board for the rest of his life.:facepalm:

Agree 10000%. Some people don't deserve to live. It's a simple fact. Why should we keep the lowest scum on the planet alive at taxpayers expense? :dunno:
 

girk1

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Kudos to Illinois
:hatsoff:

Congratulations to Illinois for finally joining the remainder of the forward thinking world in abolishing this practice.

13 Death Row convictions overturned in Illinois recently should have been the last straw. A Dead man cannot prove his innocence.

That & the 21 plus convictions that have been overturned in a single county(Dalls) in texas since 2001 is enough evidence for believe the death penalty should be outlawed.


Maybe in the case of convicted cases of gross war criminals(genocide) should the death penalty even be considered.
Otherwise it certainly isn't a deterrent to sick/twisted people.
 

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Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

The governor's main point I believe was we do a pretty bad job when it comes to convicting innocent people. (Ties into our history of racism we still haven't quite gotten past.) I'm sure if they could fix the system, everyone would be a lot more comfortable with executing deserving offenders.
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Now what are they going to do the next time some POS kidnaps, molests, tortures, dismembers, cooks and eats some innocent, defenseless kid?? Oh, I forgot. Give 'em 3 squares, a pillow and free room and board for the rest of his life.:facepalm:

BTW, the US has the death penalty...meaning if you commit a qualifying federal crime the US g'ment can sentence and carryout the death penalty.

If the US didn't then no state within the US could as if the death penalty were ruled unconstitutional then no state could violate a persons constitutional protection from it.

The only problem I have with the death penalty is that it takes too long to carry out in cases where the guilt is non-circumstantial, obvious and overwhelming.

Re 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Correction. 'The dumbest decision I ever made'...(fixed).

Agreed!:hammer:
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

I do support the death penalty, but I do agree that it's got to be applied EXTREMELY carefully and definetely in the worst of the worst, and I'm talking about people like this.
 

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Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Doesn't seem like such a hard decision, if made it. If he couldn't decide, that's a hard decision to make. He probably consulted his priest to help him make the "decision". So much for separation of church and state. What a tool.
Here in California, we have Rose Bird to thank for that "decision" all those years ago.
 

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Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

:hatsoff:

Congratulations to Illinois for finally joining the remainder of the forward thinking world in abolishing this practice.

13 Death Row convictions overturned in Illinois recently should have been the last straw. A Dead man cannot prove his innocence.

That & the 21 plus convictions that have been overturned in a single county(Dalls) in texas since 2001 is enough evidence for believe the death penalty should be outlawed.

Maybe in the case of convicted cases of gross war criminals(genocide) should the death penalty even be considered.
Otherwise it certainly isn't a deterrent to sick/twisted people.

Absolutely!
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Congrats to Illinois, one more civilised stat in the US.
Someday, Death Penalty will be abolished in all the US, even Texas, someday...

Now what are they going to do the next time some POS kidnaps, molests, tortures, dismembers, cooks and eats some innocent, defenseless kid?? Oh, I forgot. Give 'em 3 squares, a pillow and free room and board for the rest of his life.:facepalm:
Ok, so let's assume you kill the guy. Later, you discover that the guy was indeed innocent and that the real killer is someone else.

Congrats, you've murdered an innocent american citizen :clap:
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Meh, disregard the whole "what if he's innocent" argument. Just don't kill people.

It's about time that the U.S. joined the majority of the world in abolishing the death penalty.

The U.S. executed nearly twice as many people as Vietnam? :facepalm:
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

The governor's main point I believe was we do a pretty bad job when it comes to convicting innocent people. (Ties into our history of racism we still haven't quite gotten past.) I'm sure if they could fix the system, everyone would be a lot more comfortable with executing deserving offenders.

Well said. I can only guess as to how many innocent people have been executed up until now. There have been a hell of a lot of convictions overturned recently(Mostly black males used as a scapegoat) and I shudder to think of what could have been had it not been for recent revelations in science that allow us to more accurately place the blame on someone. This is a sigh of relief to those who actually carry out the executions as well. Most of them never feel good about executing someone even if they bastard was Satan incarnate. Imagine how shitty it would feel to execute an innocent person.
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Now what are they going to do the next time some POS kidnaps, molests, tortures, dismembers, cooks and eats some innocent, defenseless kid?? Oh, I forgot. Give 'em 3 squares, a pillow and free room and board for the rest of his life.:facepalm:

BTW, the US has the death penalty...meaning if you commit a qualifying federal crime the US g'ment can sentence and carryout the death penalty.

If the US didn't then no state within the US could as if the death penalty were ruled unconstitutional then no state could violate a persons constitutional protection from it.

The only problem I have with the death penalty is that it takes too long to carry out in cases where the guilt is non-circumstantial, obvious and overwhelming.

Re 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Correction. 'The dumbest decision I ever made'...(fixed).

Well said.
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Ok, so let's assume you kill the guy. Later, you discover that the guy was indeed innocent and that the real killer is someone else.

Congrats, you've murdered an innocent american citizen :clap:

That's not an argument against it as a fitting, equitable punishment against those who commit the worst crimes.
 

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Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Ok, so let's assume you kill the guy. Later, you discover that the guy was indeed innocent and that the real killer is someone else.

Congrats, you've murdered an innocent american citizen :clap:

Okay... was there a downside to that argument? :dunno:

I just see winning.
 
Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

Just to play devil's advocate; you're aware that false convictions happen?

Yes. But I believe that it is a small enough percentage to not affect my belief.
 

meesterperfect

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Re: 'The hardest decision I have ever made': Illinois governor abolishes death penalt

wouldn't it be ironic if someone savagely raped, sodomized and horrifically murdered his wife and daughter tomorrow?
not wishin, just sayin.
 
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