NFL '11 Season Thread

[Icewater Jones]

Phrases like "win you games" and "who can get it done" are clique phrases that most of the time don't have any basis in factual basis in analysis.

Extrapolating the small sample sizes of games Tebow was in especially considering the competition, that it was the end of the season, and considering nobody had professional game tape on him yet (and considering he still didn't do that great in them) seems like a poor way to judge somebody. I highly doubt he would have been able to keep up the same rate of rushing touchdowns. The fact that people on the team think that not only has he not gotten better, but that he has actually regressed from last year is a pretty bad indicative of what he can do right now. All that also ignores Orton's other years with the Broncos which were pretty good. Orton didn't even loose last year because of the offense. It was pretty much the putrid defense that made that was the main thing in making the Broncos lose so much.

I would almost bet the Broncos are doing a sigh of relief right now they didn't trade Orton like they wanted to.

Really? Putrid defense? Please explain why Orton had 20 TDs in 13 games and Tebow had 11 in 3 games. That alone speaks for itself. Extrapolating the numbers is not concrete, but it does give you some indication of what to expect. Let's not pretend it doesn't. Its no coincidence that this method of loose determination of probables, matches up almost identically with his history. Don't think so...

2008:
2746 passing yards
30 passing touchdowns
673 rushing yards
12 rushing touchdowns
4 interceptions

2009:
2895 passing yards
21 passing touchdowns
910 rushing yards
14 rushing touchdowns
5 interceptions

Hmmmmmmm... awfully similar, right. Yes, its been only three games, but his performance on-field doesn't lie and the numbers bear that quite clearly. Again, not exact, but telling. How possibly can these statical probabilities be ignored?

 

[STDiva]

First off, I'm going to say I think Tebow could be a good QB.

But...

If you're not earning the spot in practice, what are the coaches supposed to do?

"Kyle, Brady...I know you're outplaying this guy, and we, the coaching staff, collectively agree he's regressed since last year, but we're going to start him anyway. We're a 4 win team with either of you chumps at the helm regardless, so...what have we got to lose?"
(Laughter)

 

[Icewater Jones]

Let's not forget...


John Brantley outplayed Tebow in practice at Florida as well.

Tebow has oft been criticized for his warm up and practice performance as far back as his college days. Randy Moss was the same way, as both of them are know for not warming and going half-assed in practice. Hell, his combine wasn't great either. However, when on the field in gametime, they both were ready to go.

 

[Basedow]

Let's not forget...


John Brantley outplayed Tebow in practice at Florida as well.

Tebow has oft been criticized for his warm up and practice performance as far back as his college days. Randy Moss was the same way, as both of them are know for not warming and going half-assed in practice. Hell, his combine wasn't great either. However, when on the field in gametime, they both were ready to go.

When the hell did John Brantley outplay Tebow in practice in Florida. Now you're just flat out making shit up.

 

[who???]

Brantley was always considered the better passer of the two. Tebow just made the offense better/harder to defend because of his running ability.

As for Tebow in the NFL, it doesn't matter how good or bad a quarterback he can be, if they are unwilling to give him an HONEST chance to show what he can do.
When John Elway was brought in to run the football ops for the Broncos last year, he was already down on Tebow. If that is the way they want to run the team, he would be better off somewhere else.

And after all the reports about his unorthodox throwing motion, the Broncos went about trying to correct it by hiring that great quarterback guru: Adam Gase?

 

[Icewater Jones]

When the hell did John Brantley outplay Tebow in practice in Florida. Now you're just flat out making shit up.

Dude, I lived in Gator country at the time... trust me, its no secret that Brantley out played Tebow in practice. Like who??? said, Brantley was just considered to be a better overall QB than Tim and outgunned him consistently in practice drills. It also was no secret that it didn't matter... it was Tebow 's job regardless.

 

[Basedow]

Dude, I lived in Gator country at the time... trust me, its no secret that Brantley out played Tebow in practice. Like who??? said, Brantley was just considered to be a better overall QB than Tim and outgunned him consistently in practice drills. It also was no secret that it didn't matter... it was Tebow 's job regardless.

Dude, you need to stop:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh You're embarrassing yourself:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

 

[who???]

I still live in Gator country, my best friend is the biggest Gator fan there is. When Tebow graduated, everyone down here was saying that Florida would still have a great shot at the National Championship because Brantley was a better passer. I don't know how much of that talk got out, but there was a lot of it down here.

The job was Tebow's because he was the playmaker that Brantley wasn't.

 

[Icewater Jones]

Dude, you need to stop:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh You're embarrassing yourself:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

What's embarrassing is the lack of meat that you bring to this topic. Repeating smileys don't cut it. Look up the orlando sentinel archives if you don't wanna take my word for it.

 

[Basedow]

What's embarrassing is the lack of meat that you bring to this topic. Repeating smileys don't cut it. Look up the orlando sentinel archives if you don't wanna take my word for it.

The topic at hand is that Tebow cannot make it as an NFL quarterback, and myself, just like 99% of the posters hear, already presented the 'meat' to back that up. When you come on here and start lying by saying that Tebow was 'oft critisized for his warm up and going half assed while practicing,' don't get mad when someone exposes you as a liar. And the smileys are because you're made up stories are funny:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

 

[Ace Bandage]

Kerry Collins to Indy. Manning hurt worse than reported?

#18 is going to miss the first two starts this season. So in essence, we're starting in an 0-2 hole. Kerry Collins has been playing since Nam, and I've never been a fan of him. Without Peyton, the Colts are a four win team. He's the franchise, and it's going to hurt not having him in the lineup, but I want him at 100% when he starts playing. You don't fuck around with a neck injury. I can deal with a bad start as long as the offense starts rolling when The Sheriff is back under center.

 

[Icewater Jones]

The topic at hand is that Tebow cannot make it as an NFL quarterback, and myself, just like 99% of the posters hear, already presented the 'meat' to back that up. When you come on here and start lying by saying that Tebow was 'oft critisized for his warm up and going half assed while practicing,' don't get mad when someone exposes you as a liar. And the smileys are because you're made up stories are funny:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Exposed?

How? With what...smileys? So I'm exposed just because you said so? Okay, im not stupid enough to argue how you feel, because that's all you bring. When you ignore two different people telling you the real story, and when Skip Bayless comes on nat'l TV this morning and talks about criticizing Tebow for his poor practices in his newspaper writing, what more can I tell you. Nothing... but if feel you 'exposed' me, it's cool.

 

[STDiva]

#18 is going to miss the first two starts this season. So in essence, we're starting in an 0-2 hole. Kerry Collins has been playing since Nam, and I've never been a fan of him. Without Peyton, the Colts are a four win team. He's the franchise, and it's going to hurt not having him in the lineup, but I want him at 100% when he starts playing. You don't fuck around with a neck injury. I can deal with a bad start as long as the offense starts rolling when The Sheriff is back under center.

All those fantasy stars in Indy just dropped a few rounds.

 

[316sherm]

Peyton Manning's fantasy stock has dropped

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I wish the Queens would pick up Tebow. McNabb has a couple years at best and Ponder is a ?.

 

[Bearded_Menace]

Check this shit out: http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/msn/espn_takes_down_picture_of_white_michael_vick/6358480

:1orglaugh

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Check this shit out: http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/msn/espn_takes_down_picture_of_white_michael_vick/6358480

:1orglaugh

:rofl:

 

[STDiva]

Check this shit out: http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/msn/espn_takes_down_picture_of_white_michael_vick/6358480

:1orglaugh

hahahahahahah I almost spit my beer out when I saw that.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

I still live in Gator country, my best friend is the biggest Gator fan there is. When Tebow graduated, everyone down here was saying that Florida would still have a great shot at the National Championship because Brantley was a better passer. I don't know how much of that talk got out, but there was a lot of it down here.

The job was Tebow's because he was the playmaker that Brantley wasn't.

'Tis true. Brantley wasn't even being considered a potential bust. It was assumed he'd do just fine.

Even still, Brantley may be the better NFL prospect. It may sound crazy as fuck, but Brantley is more of a prototypical NFL QB. Plenty of QBs have had crappy starts to their collegiate careers, only to turn it around and make plenty of money in the NFL. See: Carson Palmer. Just wait 5 years, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Brantley was at least a quality backup somewhere while Tebow is globetrotting around spreading the gospel using the cash he made from his 1 and only NFL contract.

#18 is going to miss the first two starts this season. So in essence, we're starting in an 0-2 hole. Kerry Collins has been playing since Nam, and I've never been a fan of him. Without Peyton, the Colts are a four win team. He's the franchise, and it's going to hurt not having him in the lineup, but I want him at 100% when he starts playing. You don't fuck around with a neck injury. I can deal with a bad start as long as the offense starts rolling when The Sheriff is back under center.

I've gotta admit, that T-shirt is fucking awesome. And you are right, they need Manning, but his health is concern number one. I have to believe there were better options than Collins. I'm kinda intrigued what Hartline can do. He had a terrific year against some tough SEC defenses. Outside of Cortland Finnegan, I don't see much in terms of stifling defenses in that division. I think Painter (sorry for the Boiler hate) and Orlovsky have already proven they ain't jack shit.

 

[Straight Shooter]

#18 is going to miss the first two starts this season. So in essence, we're starting in an 0-2 hole. Kerry Collins has been playing since Nam, and I've never been a fan of him. Without Peyton, the Colts are a four win team. He's the franchise, and it's going to hurt not having him in the lineup, but I want him at 100% when he starts playing. You don't fuck around with a neck injury. I can deal with a bad start as long as the offense starts rolling when The Sheriff is back under center.

Unless he's dead, I expect to see Manning under center on opening day