My thoughts on God

[teague33]

If you asked God, then he exists. :hatsoff:

wow you just proved he exists your the man... actually he told me he was too busy with some prostitutes at the moment but he'll get back to me later

 

[milton waddams]

Will E Worm: If god should not intervene, why should anyone intervene to help someone? Why does god get a free pass from intervening but no one else does. If my child is starving and i neglect i would be considered cruel and irresponsible. If god neglects it by creating conditions where a famine occurs, some god comes out smelling like roses instead of a pile of shit. Care to explain without invoking a mystical and irrational concept of "it's all part of the plan"?

 

[BlueBalls]

I doubt this planet has that much time left. If the earth is around in another fifty years it will be a miracle.

I was just using 4 thousand as a general number to make the point of the ever chaning nature of religion. What was a God a couple thousand years ago is now silly and is no longer one, did they believe that they were worshipping anything else but the all knowing all powerful God or Gods something made up? No, they believed everything that todays modern religious person believes. That God was looking out for their best interest and it was wise to worship such a thing.

What about today? The Egyptian Gods are ridiculous but oh no our God is real, the Egyptians were fools. In the future will people look back and laugh at our silly superstitious nonsense and believe in something else and will it continue to go on like that until the human race finally dies out or destroys itself.

The Planet will be here as long as the sun burns, when it becomes a supernova then the planet will be gone. But until then just the people and life on it are the ones who one day wont exist. But 50 years thats quite a hypothesis do you have a reason for this?

 

[milton waddams]

Yes, the Dinosaurs. But, with all the land that has yet to be explored not to mention the oceans who know what will be found.

:1orglaugh so the dinosaurs still exist, right? And so does every other extinct species, including neanderthals who are doing geico commercials. Dude, you are insane in the membrane.

 

[Will E Worm]

Will E Worm: If god should not intervene, why should anyone intervene to help someone? Why does god get a free pass from intervening but no one else does. If my child is starving and i neglect i would be considered cruel and irresponsible. If god neglects it by creating conditions where a famine occurs, some god comes out smelling like roses instead of a pile of shit. Care to explain without invoking a mystical and irrational concept of "it's all part of the plan"?

There's no reason for God to intervene.
Why would he?

People are to blame for the evil things they choose to do.
Famines happen and with all the wealty people in the world they couldn't use some of their money to help out?

I was just using 4 thousand as a general number to make the point of the ever chaning nature of religion. What was a God a couple thousand years ago is now silly and is no longer one, did they believe that they were worshipping anything else but the all knowing all powerful God or Gods something made up? No, they believed everything that todays modern religious person believes. That God was looking out for their best interest and it was wise to worship such a thing.

What about today? The Egyptian Gods are ridiculous but oh no our God is real, the Egyptians were fools. In the future will people look back and laugh at our silly superstitious nonsense and believe in something else and will it continue to go on like that until the human race finally dies out or destroys itself.

The Planet will be here as long as the sun burns, when it becomes a supernova then the planet will be gone. But until then just the people and life on it are the ones who one day wont exist. But 50 years thats quite a hypothesis do you have a reason for this?

The way the world is I just don't think it will be around too long.
The sun is a dying star and there have been an increase of solar flares.
So, everything scientists think they know is juts guess work.

The Egyptian gods and goddesses are still worshipped.
Just look around and you will see the evidence.

In Washington there is an Obelisk, just like in London and
St. Peter's Square.

Look at Washington, D.C.'s layout.
Also, look up the Bohemian Grove.

 

[BlueBalls]

The Egyptian gods and goddesses are still worshipped.
Just look around and you will see the evidence.

In Washington there is an Obelisk, just like in London and
St. Peter's Square.

Look at Washington, D.C.'s layout.
Also, look up the Bohemian Grove.

These kind of things just make me laugh Will. Its far to ridiculous to even warrent a serious answer.

 

[milton waddams]

There's no reason for God to intervene.
Why would he?

People are to blame for the evil things they choose to do.
Famines happen and with all the wealty people in the world they couldn't use some of their money to help out?

what about when people don't help out? it is better to sit around as god and watch the innocent suffer? and what about in previous times when there wasn't as much wealth and famines occured? what's your brilliant answer for why god doesn't intervene then? because they were worshipping idols? so that justifies watching people starve because of drought? give me a break. your line of reasoning is extremely weak and indicative of a blatant denial of just how evil any potentially existing god would be.

 

[Violator79]

This is exactly why religious people rely on phrases like...

"God's will be done"
"Everything happens for a reason"
"It's all part of God's plan"

...to defend God, when people start questioning why He allows us to suffer.

You had the same idea as I do. And who better than to give the real answer than George Carlin:

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.

 

[ChefChiTown]

It's not God's fault if people don't believe in him. They have themselves to blame. And, the fact that most people are self-centered.

And God is NOT self-centered (assuming He exists)?

He demands that you worship Him and only Him. He demands that you offer sacrifices to Him, no matter how little you have to give. He demands that you live your entire life in dedication to Him. If that's not self-centered, then I don't know what is.

i think it is probably impossible to prove god doesn't exist.

It's also impossible to prove that God does exist, yet people live their lives acting as if it is a fact that God create us all. That's exactly why nobody in a position of religious authority can give you an honest answer as to the proof or verification that God truly exists. If you ask them to prove it, you get nothing but, "I don't have to prove it" or the reverse question of "Prove that He doesn't..."

It's all horseshit that does nothing but fuck people up and create problems.

You had the same idea as I do. And who better than to give the real answer than George Carlin:

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

I was the same way. I've tried to be religious, I've been to plenty of different churches and I've had talks with a great number of religious leaders (priests, pastors, etc). There's only been one religious person that has ever been honest with me while talking about the existence of God, or any god. I asked a pastor why I should believe in God without having proof that He even exists. His response was...

"...I don't know what to tell you. I can't make you believe in Him. Belief is something you have to find all on your own."

AKA - God damnit, kid...you know I can't tell you that we don't know if God exists or not, so I'm just going to give you the runaround and answer you with bullshit cliches.

And here's something else, another problem You Might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.

Exactly, Mr. Carlin...exactly.

 

[Violator79]

Another thing that's been bothering me is:

Even the name "GOD" is vague. Think about it. We're supposed to worship a supreme being and we don't even know what sex it is. Yeah I know Carlin said if there is a god it has to be a man, but that's just speculation. If there is a god, and to give itself some credibility, at least let us know what sex it is, male or female.

 

[milton waddams]

It's also impossible to prove that God does exist,

I sort of agree, but i think it depends on what we are talking about. If certain end of the world scenarios as portrayed in the book of Revelations started to happen, that would presumably mean there is a god. I mean, who knows for sure though. It could be a hoax being played on us by aliens. Or even if we could rule out aliens, then you could say it was a very powerful being who exists in an alternate dimension, but this just raises the question of how would we know it is really the one true god who comes before everything else? This i think would be impossible to prove as i indicated in an earlier post. So in conclusion, we could never definitively prove god doesn't exist, but we may be able to eventually prove god exists, or at least something that in some sense could reasonably be referred to as god. Hopefully this isn't too confusing.

 

[ChefChiTown]

I sort of agree, but i think it depends on what we are talking about. If certain end of the world scenarios as portrayed in the book of Revelations started to happen, that would presumably mean there is a god. I mean, who knows for sure though. It could be a hoax being played on us by aliens. Or even if we could rule out aliens, then you could say it was a very powerful being who exists in an alternate dimension, but this just raises the question of how would we know it is really the one true god who comes before everything else? This i think would be impossible to prove as i indicated in an earlier post. So in conclusion, we could never definitively prove god doesn't exist, but we may be able to eventually prove god exists, or at least something that in some sense could reasonably be referred to as god. Hopefully this isn't too confusing.

The chances of proving that there IS a god are the same as proving that there ISN'T a god. That's why religion is based on "belief" and not fact.

 

[milton waddams]

The chances of proving that there IS a god are the same as proving that there ISN'T a god. That's why religion is based on "belief" and not fact.

obviously you don't understand what i wrote.

 

[Jason z]

As the great John Lenon once said: "Whatever get's you through the night." I really hate all the these God-damn religious nuts who are so serious and try to convert people when their religion is some of the most brainwashing bullshit. They live in more sin as we see with Ted Haggard.

 

[Violator79]

As the great John Lenon once said: "Whatever get's you through the night." I really hate all the these God-damn religious nuts who are so serious and try to convert people when their religion is some of the most brainwashing bullshit. They live in more sin as we see with Ted Haggard.

You forgot to mention that it's alright for them to live in sin because their sins are forgiven and no matter what they do, God already has forgiven them. So they are, in a sense, untouchable. What a crock of shit that is.

 

[Dakota Black]

Honestly its just too much for me to read!

 

[Jason z]

I sort of agree, but i think it depends on what we are talking about. If certain end of the world scenarios as portrayed in the book of Revelations started to happen, that would presumably mean there is a god. I mean, who knows for sure though. It could be a hoax being played on us by aliens. Or even if we could rule out aliens, then you could say it was a very powerful being who exists in an alternate dimension, but this just raises the question of how would we know it is really the one true god who comes before everything else? This i think would be impossible to prove as i indicated in an earlier post. So in conclusion, we could never definitively prove god doesn't exist, but we may be able to eventually prove god exists, or at least something that in some sense could reasonably be referred to as god. Hopefully this isn't too confusing.

But you know what we can prove is false. The bible. If that was true which it isn't there would be artifacts. There isn't even proof of a "Jesus" Yet millions of people believe they can talk to him.

It's like if you added fairy tales to the bible stories they would still believe them. It's funny you can come up to a religious christian nut and ask them if they believe in Santa Claus and they will tell you no, thats impossible right one man delivering billions of kids presents in one night. Now one guy listening to millions of people murmur to him at the same time I get.

 

[ChefChiTown]

obviously you don't understand what i wrote.

No, I clearly understood what you wrote. You wrote...

I sort of agree, but i think it depends on what we are talking about. If certain end of the world scenarios as portrayed in the book of Revelations started to happen, that would presumably mean there is a god. I mean, who knows for sure though. It could be a hoax being played on us by aliens. Or even if we could rule out aliens, then you could say it was a very powerful being who exists in an alternate dimension, but this just raises the question of how would we know it is really the one true god who comes before everything else? This i think would be impossible to prove as i indicated in an earlier post. So in conclusion, we could never definitively prove god doesn't exist, but we may be able to eventually prove god exists, or at least something that in some sense could reasonably be referred to as god. Hopefully this isn't too confusing.

You said that we can't ever prove that God doesn't exist, but we may able to eventually prove that God (or some other form of God) does exist. Nobody can prove that God exists and nobody can prove that God doesn't exist.

 

[Eric Lindros]

If there is a God, I really don't know.

The only thing I know, is my experince from 18 years ago (sorry if it's too personal, they are just my thoughts):

When I was almost 20 years old, it was a cloudy day in November.
I was a fanatic at sport, almost practiced a lot of sports you see on TV.

Well, because of the weather wasn't that great, my father decided to go cycling.
"Come on son, join me."
"Nah, cycling season is over and it's going to rain in a few hours!"

He was a bit dissapointed, that was probably the reason I reconcidered my decission and joind him.
He was happy.

During our trip, we made a tour of 60 km's.....40 miles, I guess.
Almost home, I decided to speed up a bit. My father couldn't stay with me ( I was going too fast) and I was not paying attention enough at the traffic.
A car hit me, the driver of the pick up truck was driven too fast and I wasn't watching good enough and I got to the hospital, bleeding everywhere and almost dead for the next 48 hrs. It must be scaring for my parents and sister, I was totally "out" and couldn't remember a thing.

Well, the result were that I was still alive, partly paralized and during the revalidation getting pretty well.
I couldn't remeber a thing and when I asked the medocal people HOW it was possible that I was still alive,. the couldn't give me the proper answer.

For me, there are a few explanations:
1. I was in a really good shape and I was young of age;
2. I had this "drive" to survive, but I wasn't there.

For me, it means that someone was watching me and didn't want to accept that I was going to dy.

I truly believe there is somone or something that is watching over peopele who really needed it at a particular moment in their life.
Call it a "God" or call it something else, if you believe in it and you doesn't hurt or disrespect others with that thought, it's okay.

"Stay strong and live happy and healthy!"

Regards,
Eric

 

[milton waddams]

But you know what we can prove is false. The bible. If that was true which it isn't there would be artifacts. There isn't even proof of a "Jesus"

Maybe the proof got lost somehow and we need to just find it like in will e worm's "dinosaurs still exist" example. Or maybe the devil is playing a trick on us like with the famous christian example of dinosaur fossils being a trick of the devil. The possibilities are endless when you are an asshole.