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Value judgments, and why they are useless ...

I agree with your premise that whore is way too strong of a word. There's a big difference between promiscuity and seeking attention. And most women who seek this attention have a longing to feel special, something hard to do when the most attention goes to the girl who gives it up the most.
I actually take issues with statements like such ...
There's a big difference between promiscuity and seeking attention

A don't apply any value judgment to promiscuity and seeking attention, and I refuse to.
Yes, if a woman who rarely has sex is intimate with myself, and a woman who has sex often does as well, the former feels "more flattering."
But I don't make a value judgment at all, not at all.

I spent many years dating women early in high school and getting dumped by them because I wouldn't cross first or second base.
I even prided myself as "being more respectable" and other value judgments.
But by the age of 15, I had my first full figured girlfriend, and that was that.

I realize it was only my lack of sexual drive prior that was keeping me from doing anything.
So the second I discovered women who sent it into hyperdrive, I realized my values were not as others had told me.
My values became things like responsibility, respect for values, and realizing values were relative.

Because values are defined by people, their experiences, their ability to be responsible (or not), and the consequences of having values that you could not be responsible enough for.

For the next 5 years, I was intimate with nearly 50 women, and I decided to have safe sex using the female breast as a raw sex object.
I love the hourglass form of a woman, it makes her breasts, and the body is the first thing I notice about a woman (in a social setting).
But I purposely became fixated on just the bust for reasons of safe sex, and I love it, and I didn't deny myself at all.

Women that were shy, were forward, were rare catches and those who caught everyone and took everyone, no difference in judgment.
I took their values, and I didn't focus on "respect" of those values for "respect's sake," but so she felt comfortable with myself.
I had one woman I entertained several times between her boyfriends, and woman who was very easy, but I limited my "action" with her, often to her amazement.

At the same time, she couldn't stand the fact that I was the most fulfilling lover for her, and she couldn't get over the fact that I didn't ask (let alone didn't want) to have intercourse.
With all her lovers, she kept trying to define me in what she thought of men, the typical few views, and that's why she never understood.
Because it was about pleasing myself in a way that was compatible with pleasing her as well, and I was more than content.

She was a beautiful and enchanting person, something I'm sure not only many men missed, but most women as well.
Why? Because she was a "slut" in their view, yet there was just a promiscuous woman, who was fully of original beauty, and I loved her for that.
Between the boyfriends as well as possibly loved her more than her boyfriends when she was with them.

People want to use value judgments, standards, comments and other, external "branding," external to their own thoughts, on people to define how they approach them.
That's the absolute worst thing you can do to yourself, to deny yourself your own feelings, your own experiences, because you know best for yourself.
You just have to find values you trust to keep you happy and safe, and stick to them, all while ensuring you don't cross the values of others with regards to them.

I stress don't cross the values of others with regards to them, not with regards to people in general.
Because some people are just going to judge and those are the people who have values you adhere to when with them and with regards to them.
But you clearly (and you should tell them clearly) do not apply to how you deal with others, because it's the values of others that matter.

I have had so many women comment that I am "misguided" or otherwise "wrong," yet when I asked them anytime I had "cross their values" with regards to them, they were dumbfounded.
I've dated multiple women at the same time, but all women were okay with it first.
Any woman who wanted a monogamous relationship either got it, or we didn't have a relationship (other than a friendship), and it wasn't about "changing" or "discussing" either.

Value judgments are really about looking outside the values that really matter, the values that people use for themselves.
They are useless so I don't deal with them, which is why the virgin gets the same consideration as the slut.
The same reason why the deep cleavage gets the same look at the turtleneck where I can't see anything.

And heck, in a social setting, breasts are just part of the equation anyway, I want the whole figure, and I'm picky.
Before I was married, I just had to limit myself to the breasts for my lust of a woman, so they were clearly a sex object.
And I won't deny I get a mega-boner thinking about my wife's DDs alone sometimes, but it's still in the background of her figure that make them even more sultry.

My wife values a lover who loves full figured women, and gives into her large mammaries along with her hips.
She not only values it, she wants it, and her mouth won't stop sometimes and even goes almost overboard for my tastes (I said almost ;) ).
I am a man, I'm not denying what I want, so that's why I have loved women who have values that are compatible with mine.

And it's why I've not only been so happy, but ironically, most people who know me think I am "respectable" -- ha!
People who don't know my lustful nature are just the ones that either have values incompatible with mine or just never open that door, so I don't.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
No, but got caught ogling her hot ass. The barmaid in my local pub. She's a hot student.

I made a compliment and got the best out of that situation. I have a sweet tongue and are able to talk myself out of most any situation :thumbsup:
 
But you gotta admit ... lust is good!

I appreciate the response to this thread. Mr. Rocket and Prof Voluptuary I'm reading your responses but please don't get overheated in your disagreements.
Oh, I didn't.
I just took it out on my "little joke" where I collected these things and others and packed them into one big, rolling "orgy of evidence."

You gotta admit that was damn funny if you realized it was a joke.
I know most of you did, and the only reason you didn't laugh is because ...
A) The majority of you guys have a heart, and
B) I had never come up with such stories in the past being around here years

But I hope now that everyone knows it was a joke, you can laugh at it, especially after re-reading some of these threads.
I don't mind if you're a little upset with me either, or if you're not so quick to trust me again.

Lust is good, I will never change from that view, and my wife hopes I never, ever do.
But some people are just made to judge the values of others, especially other couples.
 

McRocket

Banned
Re: But you gotta admit ... lust is good!

Oh, I didn't.
I just took it out on my "little joke" where I collected these things and others and packed them into one big, rolling "orgy of evidence."

Actually, I want to thank you for doing it. For 2 reasons.

1) It is all rather flattering.
You went to all that effort. That giant initial diatribe. Followed by the two other threads you started on the subject and all your long, drawn out posts in them. All your posts in other threads to direct people to your 'joke' threads. All done over a period of several days. Mixed in with all your posts to me on another site asking for my help to find you escorts and the like.
Thousands upon thousands of words all done, supposedly, as an 'orgy of evidence' against mostly my words - since I am BY FAR the one that has questioned your thoughts on this subject. A fact which you also mentioned in these threads.
It's nice to know that I (an ex-crackhead, high school dropout) get under your (a supposed big time electrical engineer. Again, I type, supposed) skin so much that you felt compelled to originate these, supposedly, fake threads.
I knew my points bugged you, but I never imagined they would evoke so much attention and effort against them.
Definitely flattering.

and 2) now I feel far less of a need to waste my time on you.

Before all this, I felt you were a person who basically treated people - when push comes to shove - as equals.
But now I see that you are a sad little man/teenager that is SO desperate for attention that he would perpetrate these silly games that wasted the time of many posters and moderators simply to make your 'orgy of evidence' (whether the 'games' were the threads themselves or your denial of their truth is up for speculation however)?

I now see this and realize that I have been wasting my time on you. For there are two types of members on here - to me. The type that you take seriously and the type that you don't. You were the former, now you are the latter.
But don't worry, I will still continue to point out the mistakes you make in your posts - your posts are just too voluminous to avoid.


So thank you for the indirect compliment and for showing your true self. I knew if I pushed you long enough that you would.

However, I am VERY SORRY that our little disagreements caused you to waste SO many other posters time and energy reading and/or responding to your, supposedly, 'fake' threads. Many of these people are hard working individuals whom I imagine have better things to do then read your incredibly long (supposed) lies just because you are/were board and obviously longing for attention and/or to prove some childish point.
To them I think you owe a very large apology.

But from me? Thank you.

Have a grown up day.
 
Backtracking on your constant judgment ...

But don't worry, I will still continue to point out the mistakes you make in your posts - your posts are just too voluminous to avoid.
Including judging me, yes, you just can't avoid judging me all you can.
But then you can stop judging others either, on how they approach women.

I will still never forget your "I was the only one on FreeOnes trying to warn you before" quote, that was just icing on the cake, and all the proof I needed.
Especially all the chides that other people on FreeOnes shouldn't encourage my lustful ways, etc...

You were so fixated on me that you couldn't see past that whole orgy, and you ate it up in "I told you so" attitude.
You only and finally came around when it got so ludicrous between my posts and the posts of others that you finally "figured it out," and that's when I ended it.

Nice backtrack! Sorry, too late! ;)

You may have been a crackhead and misguided in your life, but not mine, not others.
Whatever self-judgments, whatever self-doubts you have, you should not apply them to the way I live my life.

That's the difference between you and I, and you still don't see it.
I don't tell you how you should live your life, I only tell you to figure out what drives you to tell others how to live their lives, so you'll stop doing it to me and others.

Your "I protect women" non-sense gets old, and does not apply to myself, my wife and the relationship we have.
Your continual judgment of me, and wanting to marginalize my values, my marriage and my life, gets rather old.

Figure out why you feel the need to do that to me and others, and we'll get along.
Until then, admit you ate this up until you realized we were having fun at your expense. ;)
 
yeah been caught looking at teh boobs when talking lol and looking at other girls.

but i comment afterwards to my gf about how ugly a feature was of that girl i was looking at.

lol weird me
 
Re: Backtracking on your constant judgment ...

I will still never forget your "I was the only one on FreeOnes trying to warn you before" quote, that was just icing on the cake, and all the proof I needed.
Especially all the chides that other people on FreeOnes shouldn't encourage my lustful ways, etc...

You were so fixated on me that you couldn't see past that whole orgy, and you ate it up in "I told you so" attitude.
You only and finally came around when it got so ludicrous between my posts and the posts of others that you finally "figured it out," and that's when I ended it.

Nice backtrack! Sorry, too late! ;)

You may have been a crackhead and misguided in your life, but not mine, not others.
Whatever self-judgments, whatever self-doubts you have, you should not apply them to the way I live my life.

So now your story is that the shit threads you made up about losing your job and wife was nothing more then an "internet gotcha" at McRocket's expense?

You ask for value judgments in all of the polls you create. Atleast the ones I've read. Yet you don't want McRocket (and others, presumably) to apply their values to you? This doesn't make sense. Value judgments are only acceptable with respect to topics you approve of?

What fascinates me is that someone with close to 5000 posts would voluntarily ruin his reputation over a "joke thread" that is completely meaningless.

When you say "Women are sex objects. They were designed to be laid with by Men," I feel like I'd like to debate that and other ridiculous statements you've made in this thread but there's no point to doing so now.
 
Huh?

You ask for value judgments in all of the polls you create. Atleast the ones I've read.
I ask for what people like, but I don't judge them on what they like.
That's the difference -- that's the huge difference!

Yet you don't want McRocket (and others, presumably) to apply their values to you? This doesn't make sense. Value judgments are only acceptable with respect to topics you approve of?
Since when do I criticize people on the women they like?
Since when do I criticize people on how they live their lives with women, relationship, etc...?

The only thing I hold steadfast to is that you don't go against the values of someone else.
Other than that, it's up to interpretation, and I merely share what works for me in my life.

I use my life as an example of what works for me, and that's it.
I don't assume it will work for everyone, and some people need varying values.

But they should watch how they judge others.

What fascinates me is that someone with close to 5000 posts would voluntarily ruin his reputation over a "joke thread" that is completely meaningless.
I don't think it "ruined" my reputation, and yes, it's the first time I haven't been "completely honest."
So? I think I proved my points, and if you didn't see my points, then I pity you.
Because it was about giving into all those assumptions people had, and some of you fell right into them.

It wasn't just aim at 1 person either.

Most others were "caught in the crossfire," yes.
For the most part, they didn't believe it at first, and a good 1/3rd voted they didn't think it was me, my account was hacked.
Although that did drop later, because most people couldn't believe me -- honest me -- would lie.

Well I lied, just to see what would happen, and I got exactly what I expected from "select people."
Otherwise, for the most part, the majority of the board was the opposite and were not just respectful, but criticized with thought and respect.
That was very nice to see at many points, for the ones that didn't have the attitude, "holier than thou"

When you say "Women are sex objects. They were designed to be laid with by Men," I feel like I'd like to debate that and other ridiculous statements you've made in this thread but there's no point to doing so now.
That's because you're taking those two statements out of context.
You are presenting them without reading the other, accompaning statements that do with them.
Select people have continually taking statements of mine and done that, instead of stopping to recognize the point.

So you read into what you want, instead of stopping to recognize the point I'm making.
That lust has been good for my life, because I don't cross the values of others.
So many men are caught up in thinking whether things are wrong or right, fighting themselves not to look, etc...

I don't look by default, because I assume by default, they have not given me permission, regardless of what they wear.
But if they give me permission, I look, I may lust, I may let my raw, male instinct out.
But I only do it when I have explicit permission, and it is clear that I do.

To me, it's very healthy -- it's very healthy for my relationship with my wife, and my being as a man.
Judge me however you want, jump all over me when you thought I finally gave in, it just proves my point further.
This has been a great experiment and I'm very glad I did it, because it just proved many things all over again.

It also proved that a majority of people on this board can be both kind hearted while respectfully critical.
Unfortunately, I didn't see that out of the "select people," they largely acted exactly how I expected.
The "I told you so" is exactly what I was looking for, I got it, and I knew I would get it.

Because they don't believe I have a right to my values, and feel the ultimate drive to constantly tell me that.
That's also why they constantly trip themselves up when questioning them, posing scenarios -- and when that doesn't work -- just re-interpreting what I said by cutting out quotes.
Like what "permission" defines, when I repeatedly explained a woman directly and explicitly prompts.

Not by just wearing a dress that is revealing -- that's what others said in this thread.
Those are the people "select people" were already judging before I entered this thread.
So when I came into the picture, they decide to rewrite what I said to fit that demonization as well.

Oh the irony!
 
Re: But you gotta admit ... lust is good!

But I hope now that everyone knows it was a joke, you can laugh at it, especially after re-reading some of these threads.
I don't mind if you're a little upset with me either, or if you're not so quick to trust me again.


I have not lost any trust in you. Nothing was changed by your joke thread. Most of your posts are so full of bull shit I need a shovel to read them anyway.
 
Hey Prof--
In your "Women are sex objects" explanation...you wrote this:

In reality, I do a pretty good job of channeling my lust into prose that most women do not take issue with.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I have a pretty good idea what you mean.
 

McRocket

Banned
Re: Backtracking on your constant judgment ...

I will still never forget your "I was the only one on FreeOnes trying to warn you before" quote, that was just icing on the cake, and all the proof I needed.
Where did I type that exact line?

You were so fixated on me that you couldn't see past that whole orgy, and you ate it up in "I told you so" attitude.
You only and finally came around when it got so ludicrous between my posts and the posts of others that you finally "figured it out," and that's when I ended it.
I thought I made it rather clear that I did not believe you. And I told you so on and of board - several times. But I did go on the basis that there was a chance you may have been serious. And as a fellow human being I tried to offer you advice that you seemed to ask for.
As in this post you made to me off line:

'So what you're saying is you predicted something like that would happen?
And instead of listening to you, I was arrogant and ignored you, right?
Or maybe you were merely "analyzing" me like you claim I was "analyzing" you.

You're right, I'm wrong. I said it.
You've now proved to the whole board that your analysis of myself was correct.
So, what do we do from here?

Do you want to dislike me?
Do you want to move on as the guy who tried to help ProfV?
Or do you want to keep going on as the guy who said, "nah, nah, I told you so!"

You want to be a friend?
Then stop kicking me when I'm down -- the "fat" commentary was a little too far.

In return, if you want me to post a "full apology" on-board, then I will do it.
I'll do it in multiple threads if necessary.
And I will stop "analyzing" you, completely.

Okay?'


Normally I would never share pm's or off line talk. But since you did it with mine earlier I assumed you wouldn't mind if I did likewise.

Now, this is getting off topic again.

So back to the topic at hand...
 

McRocket

Banned
Re: Huh?

I don't look by default, because I assume by default, they have not given me permission, regardless of what they wear.
But if they give me permission, I look, I may lust, I may let my raw, male instinct out.
But I only do it when I have explicit permission, and it is clear that I do.
Exactly how do they give you 'explicit permission'?
They come up to you and ask you and/or give you permission to start looking at them lustfully? Even though you have acted like a complete and total gentleman up until that point?
Yeah right.
You sound like a teenager/man with an over active sex drive that uses his (supposed) job to get himself off in his mind with his co-workers; and since they do not wish to make waves at work, they allow your lustful stares since you are supposedly some big important something or other. And you take their lack of obvious objection as confirmation that what you are doing is fine. Sounds like the 1950's all over again.
Sounds like you are a chauvinist and a sexual predator in-the-making with an extremely weak wife you lets you get away with this nonsense because you talk her into it with this nonsense you spew forth on here.


To me, it's very healthy -- it's very healthy for my relationship with my wife, and my being as a man.
So your wife has specifically stated that she feels that you lustfully looking at other women is healthy for your marriage?
 
Continually argumentative (on women) members ...

You're going in a circular pattern even though I've answered and clarified things repeatedly!
I know I tend to be a tad argumentative as an engineer on basic environmental details and microeconomics, but I reserve judgment on women.
Unfortunately, some people are just argumentative, and never admit when they are wrong (I actually do).

Hey Prof--
In your "Women are sex objects" explanation...you wrote this:

In reality, I do a pretty good job of channeling my lust into prose that most women do not take issue with.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I have a pretty good idea what you mean.
No!
If you don't get it by now, you either never will or you're just being argumentative.

Please stop and don't join "the other trolls."

Where did I type that exact line?
I thought I made it rather clear that I did not believe you.
You sent this to me first ...

"And I was the only one that tried to help you with your wife before things blew up.
I saw the problems on the horizon and I tried to help."


And I told you so on and of board - several times.
Bullshit! You are backtracking -- you didn't have a hint until the last day or two when the "side laughing" became obvious!

But I did go on the basis that there was a chance you may have been serious. And as a fellow human being I tried to offer you advice that you seemed to ask for.
As in this post you made to me off line:
Which was "fed" to you after your above statements ...

"And I was the only one that tried to help you with your wife before things blew up.
I saw the problems on the horizon and I tried to help."


Re-read what you posted of mine from PM and realize you prompted it! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You ranted at me about various things, including more complaints about FreeOnes, people on FreeOnes, etc...
I'm tired of your "I'm the only righteous man on FreeOnes and I must save women from men!"

Dude, again, get over your past -- at the same time, don't let your self-haunting past haunt others.

Normally I would never share pm's or off line talk. But since you did it with mine earlier I assumed you wouldn't mind if I did likewise.
I shared phrases/attitudes in general.
If I really "wanted to get you into trouble," I could post your full commentary.
Your FreeOnes bashing and countless bashing of others on their viewpoints of women.

The irony is that I do not come to FreeOnes to judge people on women and take out my own self-doubt on them.
In fact, the reason you are so fixated on me is because you cannot believe someone could be so happy.
Someone could not have a marriage like mine, or you think it's unhealthy or whatever judgment you want.
But I'm not the only one who has this type of relationship with their wife.

Now you're into just outright accusing me of being a child.
Dude, do you even understand why you haven't married? I do!
Because you are a continually agitating and argumentative person who does not listen to what people actually say.
You dance around it to incite an argument, even though someone covers their view 2, 3 or even 4+ times.

Now, this is getting off topic again.
So back to the topic at hand...
Because you fucking lead it right there everytime I post in these threads.

Want an example? Here we go, your very next post ...

Exactly how do they give you 'explicit permission'?
They come up to you and ask you and/or give you permission to start looking at them lustfully? Even though you have acted like a complete and total gentleman up until that point?
Yeah right.
You sound like a teenager/man with an over active sex drive that uses his (supposed) job to get himself off in his mind with his co-workers; and since they do not wish to make waves at work, they allow your lustful stares since you are supposedly some big important something or other. And you take their lack of obvious objection as confirmation that what you are doing is fine. Sounds like the 1950's all over again.
Sounds like you are a chauvinist and a sexual predator in-the-making with an extremely weak wife you lets you get away with this nonsense because you talk her into it with this nonsense you spew forth on here.
So your wife has specifically stated that she feels that you lustfully looking at other women is healthy for your marriage?
I rest my case.
I have repeatedly explained this and yet you continue, just like you to do not merely myself, but anyone else in any thread that gives you the time of day after you do this to them.
Again, I rest my case.

This will be the last time I ever respond to you -- because I think I've more than proved my point!
Man, you are honestly "pissed off" because I basically led you right down your self-righteous path and you fell for it!
No wonder! ;)

But you go ahead and claim to be "innocent" and repost all my PMs while denying the fact that you send me them, especially when I don't respond to you on-board.
You say I wanted people to feel sorry for me, that I'm a kid or whatever you feel, get it off your chest.
I think we all know by now what your problem is, and you take it out on other people than just myself.

Unfortunately I stupidly responded in the past, even after not doing so for awhile only to return to showing any value in your rebukes.
No more.
 
titsrock, or anyone who wants honest clarifications ...

Hey Prof--
In your "Women are sex objects" explanation...you wrote this:

In reality, I do a pretty good job of channeling my lust into prose that most women do not take issue with.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I have a pretty good idea what you mean.
No!
If you don't get it by now, you either never will or you're just being argumentative.
Please stop and don't join "the other trolls."
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I hope you see my point.

titsrock, or anyone who wants honest clarifications, I ask you ...
A) Re-read my posts in this thread (possibly the joke threads as well as their are clarifications in those too), and
B) If you still want honest clarifications, PM me

I'll respond if I believe you sincerely wish to understand my viewpoints and not merely want to demonize me.
Thank you for understanding.

Until then, I've got a "fat" and "weak" wife to treat like a "sexual object" this weekend.
Oh she's going to get a lot of staring, fondling and a "violating" cock in her breasts, mouth and vagina.

In fact, I think I'll have her put on one of her retro '50s dresses since someone gave me that idea. ;)
 

McRocket

Banned
Re: Continually argumentative (on women) members ...

Bullshit! You are backtracking -- you didn't have a hint until the last day or two when the "side laughing" became obvious!
Then how do you explain the following:
'You continue to seem to be (I am still not 100% sure this is all true) the most honest person that I can recall ever encountering on here.'
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=1762536&postcount=37
I typed this the same day you started the thread.

I also typed this pm to you in answer of your pm to me:
'I haven't decided if you are telling the truth or not.

When I do, I probably will.

I will type this to you:

If you are lieing, I have never had less respect for you.

If you telling the truth, I have never had more respect for you then I do now (insofar as how you are handling it - open and honest with genuine self reflection).'


Again, this was on the same day you started your thread.
And I have other examples as well, if you need them.

Sounds like I had a 'hint' you were lieing.



And, to get back to the subject: You still have not answered my question:

How exactly do these women give you their 'explicit permission' to lustfully look at them?
 
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