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It's not about respect, but impression (2/2)

I was raised by women
And so was I virtually (my father worked a lot), but sometimes women tend to remember the worst of men when raising boys.
My mother brainwashed me that women don't like sex and countless other things, things that took my wife years to fully purge (and a few things she's still purging).
By age 15, I eventually had to tune my mother out, because it didn't matter what I actually did, she assumed otherwise.

And no, I didn't give her the joy of me doing anything "out of spite" -- that's why I never drank, did drugs and kept my member out of woman's apex.
Those were my values, and it didn't matter what pressure, guilt, etc... I had, I never, ever did anything out of spite, rebellion or otherwise.
I realized from age 15 on-ward that my values were things I had to live with, and deal with the consequences, and not my mother, friends, etc...

But make no mistake, I love to lay a woman down and take advantage of her body -- I love her hourglass, her hips, her breasts, the wider and more extreme, the better.
I will never apologize for it, I will always lust for the female form, I will use my manhood to "spear" a woman deep, and I will cup, suck and otherwise over-fondle her breasts.
I am a man, and with any consenting lover, I am fully entitled to do anything and everything I want to do, and I'm sure my mother would be utterly disgusted.

Just because I don't say or think "I want to fuck her tits" doesn't mean I actually do that exact same thing as another man who does.
I realized that I really didn't want to turn to my mother and say, "hey, I fucked her big tits, it was good and I treated them as a sexual object."
Why didn't I? Because that wasn't what it was about, it was about my pleasure, and the intimacy I just shared, something my mother wouldn't understand.

and I would never disrespect them by staring at their breasts while I am speaking to them.
Okay, agreed there -- it makes no sense to look at the breasts when talking to them.
Unless, of course, she prompted it, and then you are actually talking about the breasts.

But it really has nothing to do with "disrespect" in my opinion or some "judgement" value, or other "value."
To me, it has far more to do with how the woman will remember me, the next time she goes to speak or otherwise engage me.
If she doesn't have to worry I'll be distracted, she's more likely to come to me with a professional or other discussion.

And if she is actually bothered that I haven't stared, then she will eventually just ask, and then that's my opening for my selfish lust. ;)

Also, I have more self control then that (though I have more so now then when I was younger).
But what is "self-control"?

Frankly, if people like staring at breasts, then they should do it, and just accept it, and be honest.
Women would much rather accept a man who is honest and forward about his lust than one who tries to hide their continual distraction, especially if they are not good at it.
Be honest, be yourself, don't hide who you really are, and if that means you are eyes-on every ounce of cleavage, just do it and don't lie about it.

Know thyself.

Mine approach has nothing to do with "respect" or "self-control" or anything else, but just how I want to interact.
I do this to my advantage, professionally, socially and even sexually (if the woman so prompts later).
I'm a male pig, I just leave it out of my mind until it is prompted, and then I don't "candy coat it" or attempt to be "respectable."

My values have been virtually locked on this since 15 -- I'd rather explain later than explain after a first impression.

And also, I realize how many guys do that. So it makes me look fractionally better if I don't while others do.
Exactly -- it's about how you make a woman feel comfortable with you, so she's likely to engage you again.
At the same time, many women don't want a man who is "prissy" or won't open up sexually, and so you can't go over-board.

1. Wait for her to prompt it
2. Know your audience
3. Always treat her like a lady, even when she prompts it

Learning to channel your lust into words that are not cliche, all-too-common or otherwise unoriginal can let you be very lustful with a woman.

And the only reason I would be looking at another woman with desire is because I am not happy with the woman I am with.
Not!
There are too many women on this planet that sport the best features of my wife, and I'm not denying myself, especially since I'm on-the-road away from my wife.
But no way am I screwing up the best culmination of woman in my wife, and that means ...

A) Women people know I'm happily married, I don't hide it at all
B) Women know I'm not hitting on them at all
C) Women know I treat women like ladies at all times
D) Women know why I love women like my wife
E) Women know I not only love, but lust for my wife heavily

How detailed a woman engages me on those details is up to her, and I leave it to her to prompt and directly ask why, and what makes me tick.

In which case I would end it (hopefully).
Why?
Tell me how you feel after you are married 10, 20, etc... years.
After over 10 years of marriage, I can tell you one thing ...

No one gets looks from me like my wife does, and no other woman is worth looking at even remotely the same.
At the same time, if a co-worker or employee at a client doesn't stop asking, she'll get the honest truth.
Especially if she's under-appreciated, or if someone said something in front or even to her that was quite insulting of her.

Most of the time, it's not really a woman who has the conversation with me, but something she eventually heard.
Men will be me, and being a consultant, I have to watch what I say, so I usually ignore most of the "lust discussions."
But when men won't shut-up and are bothered by the fact that A) I don't drink and B) I don't join them in their "lust talk," I finally have to say something.

It's typically the, "you must be gay" type of comment or "you must think your wife is the only woman in the world."
And I'll typically respond with, "well, maybe you guys just haven't hit on a woman I like yet."
And after the few "oh sures" and countless other comments, I'll findly say, "well, if you said Queen Latifah, that might open up the conversation."

Now at that point, it gets "interesting" and people usually leave it for a bit.
But it's not very long before both other men and, not coincidentally, women even come over and bring it up again.
Depending on the setting, and if it's more social, I can easily go into women from Monica Lewinski (especially if someone gets on the "taboo" of mentioning Queen Latifah)
to Tocarra Jones to Kate Dillon to models like Yoko Matsugane, and eventually even '80s playmates like Patricia Farinelli.

Especially since I'm white, and I work with a lot of foreigners as well as a number of African Americans at times.

And also, I wouldn't like it one bit if someone I was dating were doing it. And if she did and I caught her, I would definitely say something. So if I am going to complain about it then I had better not be doing it myself.
Well, that's your values and you should stick to them.

As far as myself, if my wife lusts for another man, so be it -- if she could have him, I'd love her enough to allow him in the bedroom.
I thank God every day that my wife seems to only want me, so if she comments about another man, I don't have a problem.
In fact, she's a lot like me, she'll say something like, "he has your devilish smirk" or even something like (of a fit man):
"We're you that tight and bulging when you were in shape?"

If I have a problem with it, then that's really a problem I have, not her, as I should be sound enough in my relationship to discuss it with my wife, not accuse my wife of something.
And that's something she didn't intend at all, which is more about me making a "big deal" about it instead of just taking it at face value."

My relationship isn't about rules and wrongs, my relationship is about love and a massive helping of raw lust.
I'm not "containing" my lust, it's a main reason why I want to "spear" and "ram" my wife, and not any other woman on the planet.
And she gets off knowing that and that honesty, not just to her, but to myself, which is why she feels comfortable with me. ;)

If I wanted insecurity, I wouldn't have married.
To be married, you have to drop insecurity.
 
More than once. :o

The wife just laughs at me now and sometimes she'll even say herself "Did you see her boobs" just in case I missed them.
 
yes, of course. if i get caught i'll just smile and act embarassed. it's usually when a chick is wearing something quite revealing. nobody rolls their eyes or anything, and i'm not rude about it and go on staring, i'll steal a glance or two and thats that. if im talking to a girl, i usually look them in their eyes. anyway, if you don't want people to look, don't put it on display
 

McRocket

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Re: It's not about respect, but impression (2/2)

No (to my knowledge) to both.
Not true. Many women flaunt it because they want to be noticed.
What's not true? The question was have I done it. And since you are not me, how could you know whether my answer was true or not?

Frankly, if people like staring at breasts, then they should do it, and just accept it, and be honest.
Women would much rather accept a man who is honest and forward about his lust than one who tries to hide their continual distraction, especially if they are not good at it.
Be honest, be yourself, don't hide who you really are, and if that means you are eyes-on every ounce of cleavage, just do it and don't lie about it.
What reasonably fit, reasonably attractive and emotionally well adjusted women have you known well that told you that they would rather a man they are not intimate with look at her lustfully then not? I certainly haven't known any.
Attractive women get sick of being looked at lustfully. In many cases, it happens to them several times every hour. Many of these women are bombarded on a daily basis with sexual looks and people treating them as sexual objects. And most of them get sick of it - in my strong opinion. At least, that is what many told me.
There are, or course, exceptions. But by and large, I feel VERY safe in saying that most reasonably attractive and reasonably well adjusted women do not like men looking at them with lust while they are discussing something completely unrelated.
And on top of the respect issue, there is an issue of safety. I for one would be at least a little nervous if a gay man who was 50% bigger and stronger then me was staring at my crotch with lust in his eyes while he was talking to me. How do I know that he won't try and rape me later on when I am alone?
And what if he and I are alone? I would be definitely more then a little nervous.
It's not just respect for their integrity. It's also respect for their sense of safety.


And the only reason I would be looking at another woman with desire is because I am not happy with the woman I am with.
What do you mean 'not'? I am stating an opinion. Unless you have access to my brain, you cannot know what I am thinking.
There are too many women on this planet that sport the best features of my wife, and I'm not denying myself, especially since I'm on-the-road away from my wife.
Well, that's fine for you, I guess. But when I am with a woman that I am reasonably content with, I no longer lust for other women. I might admire them, like I would admire a car or a nice house. But it is not with lust. In fact, I would probably 'lust' for a great car or a gorgeous house or a great view far more then I would for another woman.
And it's not 'denying' myself. It's not out of guilt. I simply do not feel that way. The only woman I lust for is my woman - so long as we are reasonably happy together.

Why would I hopefully end it with a woman that I am no longer happy to be with? The answer to that should be obvious - I would think.

I thank God every day that my wife seems to only want me, so if she comments about another man, I don't have a problem.
Comments and lusting are two different things. If she thinks a guy is good looking and says it - fine. If she is lusting after him, not fine with me. I do not lust for other women when I am with a woman. I expect the same from her. If she wants another man? Fine, then go be with him. But I definitely will NOT be there when she gets back.
My relationship isn't about rules and wrongs, my relationship is about love and a massive helping of raw lust.
I honestly think you believe that lust is this wonderful thing that we should all embrace and enjoy to it's fullest extent.
Whereas I look upon lust as something that is responsible for untold misery in this world.
STATS:
- according to the CDC in 2002, 854,000 legal abortions were performed in the United States.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764203.html
- according to the National Victim Center, 1.3 women over 18 are raped in the United States every minute.
http://www.familiesincrisis.net/sexual_assault_statistics.html
- and according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human services: 'During Federal fiscal year (FFY) 2005, an estimated 3.3 million referrals, involving the alleged maltreatment of approximately 6.0 million children, were made to CPS agencies.'
How many of these were because lousy parents tried to raise unwanted and unplanned children?
http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm05/summary.htm

As far as I am concerned, sex feels great because if it didn't, our ape ancestors would not have had sex and the species would have died out. Sex and lust are not necessary in today's world. They are a reality and they feel very good.
But with all the countless unwanted children that are born or aborted. The tens of millions of worldwide rapes that go on each year. The millions of women (and men) whose lives are ruined through prostitution. And all the untold death and misery and cost that comes from sexually transmitted diseases.
I am DEFINITELY not proud of my lustful desires. I acknowledge them. And I often indulge them. But I am NOT proud of them. And I truly believe that the World would be far better off were humans not to have them.


Though I imagine Mr. FreeOnes would definitely NOT agree with me - lol.
 
Wow...this thread has unleashed the War of the Tolstoys....:1orglaugh

I was just going to add that one of my best friends' wife has got an incredible rack and she likes to wear tank tops. Well, she bends over all the time to pick things up and if you're carrying on a conversation...it's a near impossibility NOT to look. My that bastard is lucky...

I think she knows she has a hot body and likes showing it off from time to time. I applaud her. I know my buddy and I'm sure he enjoys knowing that "all of us" think his wife is a hottie.

From my POV..I don't care if dudes check out girls I'm with. I'm confident enough in myself to laugh it off or make it into what it really is..a celebration of her.

I just am very strict in work situations. A girl would have to jump in my lap topless to get me to notice. I can not be "broken" by a low line...
 
First of all let me start by saying, most women are looking to see if you're checking out other chicks. They usually know your type so if a girl with a nice ass or boobs comes near, they wanna see if you're going to check them out. With that said, I was at Target with an ex girlfriend, and she knew I loved a nice ass. She caught me checking out these girls, they looked like sisters. She couldn't get over the fact that I was looking at their asses, and we eventually broke up because of it. Even though I didn't say anything to these girls.
 
There was a girl in one of my classes last semester and we'd always be doing groupwork in class. She wasn't the hottest, but she had huge tits and a bangin' body. Anyways, her tits would always be falling out of her top and I always would stare at them when we were doing something. A couple times I was staring at them, when I looked up, we made eye contact, so I'm pretty sure she knew, but she didn't seem to care. She did seem like a slut, I should have asked for a titfuck.
 
Just yourself, but not others, respect our values (1/2)

What's not true? The question was have I done it. And since you are not me, how could you know whether my answer was true or not?
Oh, my sincerest apologies, I mis-read that. Sorry.

What reasonably fit, reasonably attractive and emotionally well adjusted women have you known well that told you that they would rather a man they are not intimate with look at her lustfully then not?
Plenty, including several women I have worked with that didn't know myself well at all.
And it happens even more so in public, probably more so when I was more fit, but still it happens.

As far as "emotionally well adjusted," it sounds like you are making a value judgment on women.
I.e., so what you're saying is that any woman that doesn't mind this is not "emotionally well adjusted."

I guess you haven't met my wife then, unless you think she's not "emotionally well adjusted" based on my posts. ;)

I certainly haven't known any. Attractive women get sick of being looked at lustfully.
Yet more assertions that I would strongly argue is completely false.

In many cases, it happens to them several times every hour. Many of these women are bombarded on a daily basis with sexual looks and people treating them as sexual objects. And most of them get sick of it - in my strong opinion. At least, that is what many told me.
I'm sure some get sick of some of it, but now you're getting more specific.
I think I should know better by now than to respond to you, because you start generic, then get specific.

Yes, in a professional setting, some women get sick of it, I utterly agree.
But some women do not, or do not think of it, and just let it go.
As far as a social setting, even an innocent one, I've known many women who don't have a problem with it.

My wife doesn't in either situation.

I think most women are more annoyed with men who assume they are "dumb" if they have breasts, or similar attitudes.
In fact, I would argue most women just want to be treated as peers in a professional environment first and foremost.

There are, or course, exceptions. But by and large, I feel VERY safe in saying that most reasonably attractive and reasonably well adjusted women do not like men looking at them with lust while they are discussing something completely unrelated.
And on top of the respect issue, there is an issue of safety. I for one would be at least a little nervous if a gay man who was 50% bigger and stronger then me was staring at my crotch with lust in his eyes while he was talking to me. How do I know that he won't try and rape me later on when I am alone?
Now you're crossing into something else, and proved you do not know the first thing about rape.

First off, that's a fear that almost every woman lives with.
But just because a man is staring doesn't mean he's going to rape her.

Rape is about power and control, not lust.
Date rape, is, that is about lust, but that is someone going beyond the consent given.
But a stranger looking at your breasts does not increase the likelihood he will rape you.

McRocket, I'm sorry, but you really make a lot of assertions you know so little about.
In college, I used to do a circuit and talk to sorority sisters on rape and date rape, including to men of fraternities that were also there about male on male rape.

And what if he and I are alone? I would be definitely more then a little nervous.
It's not just respect for their integrity. It's also respect for their sense of safety.
Then you don't know the first thing about rape and its statistics.
A guy looking down a woman's blouse has nothing to do with his likelihood to rape her.

Please stop.

What do you mean 'not'? I am stating an opinion. Unless you have access to my brain, you cannot know what I am thinking.
Well, that's fine for you, I guess. But when I am with a woman that I am reasonably content with, I no longer lust for other women.
Now you're mis-quoting me, I said your view does not apply to many people.
It's one thing to make a judgment call for yourself, but it's another to judge all of us.

Again, please stop.

I might admire them, like I would admire a car or a nice house. But it is not with lust. In fact, I would probably 'lust' for a great car or a gorgeous house or a great view far more then I would for another woman.
And it's not 'denying' myself. It's not out of guilt. I simply do not feel that way. The only woman I lust for is my woman - so long as we are reasonably happy together.
You believe whatever you want, but don't judge us because your values factor differently than our values.
Values are relative, not absolute, and if you want to argue otherwise, there are a lot of dead people in the world because of such attitudes.

Respect of others' values is just as important as what you argue for.

Why would I hopefully end it with a woman that I am no longer happy to be with? The answer to that should be obvious - I would think.
You just did it again.
You have equated looking at other women as not being happy with your monogamous lover.
If that is the case for yourself, that's fine -- but you're throwing that jjudgment on others.

Comments and lusting are two different things. If she thinks a guy is good looking and says it - fine. If she is lusting after him, not fine with me. I do not lust for other women when I am with a woman. I expect the same from her. If she wants another man? Fine, then go be with him. But I definitely will NOT be there when she gets back.
I lust for the female form, and I will not state otherwise.
I lust for for Devyn Devine because she reminds me of my wife more than any other woman.
Doesn't even remotely mean I want to leave my wife, quite the opposite, it tells me that my wife is the ultimate object of my lust.

I honestly think you believe that lust is this wonderful thing that we should all embrace and enjoy to it's fullest extent.
Yes, and my wife would agree with myself.
Those are our shared values, and you need to respect that about us, just as respect your values.
Until then, you are judgmental and despite your claim of respect, you actually have holes in it.

Whereas I look upon lust as something that is responsible for untold misery in this world.
I consider judgment of others to be the ultimate crime in humanity and his/her ultimate undoing.
Don't join the problem.

STATS:
- according to the CDC in 2002, 854,000 legal abortions were performed in the United States.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764203.html
There you go again!
Now you have related lust to not just intercourse, but consumation and accidental pro-creation.
And that is actually based on irresponsibility, not lust.

Let us go down the road of alcohol, guns and other things?
Things that kill people because of irresponsibility, not because they exist.

How many times do I have to tell you that I didn't insert before my wife?
Yet I lusted for hundreds of women, and had the honor of being intimate with almost 50.
You will not disrespect my responsible choices.

- according to the National Victim Center, 1.3 women over 18 are raped in the United States every minute.
And once again you equate "rape" to "lust."
In the case of "date rape," yes, that's "lust."
But most rapes are not date rape, but violent rape, which is about power and control, not lust.

The statistics may have changed since I did my talks in college, but they are pretty specific.
Women have to be choosy who they consent to be with, because yes, lust can turn to date rape beyond their consent.
But "strangers" looking down her blouse are not more likely to rape her than those who do not -- in fact, the violent approach tends to be quite different.

You have related lust to rape, and asserted many judgments that are absolute falsehoods.
You really need to do some research on what drives rape, it's not lust, it's violence, it's power, it's control.

http://www.familiesincrisis.net/sexual_assault_statistics.html
- and according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human services: 'During Federal fiscal year (FFY) 2005, an estimated 3.3 million referrals, involving the alleged maltreatment of approximately 6.0 million children, were made to CPS agencies.'
How many of these were because lousy parents tried to raise unwanted and unplanned children?
http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm05/summary.htm
No offense, you are so far outside the context now, I question if you are truly the Libertarian you claim to be.
You are as bad as anyone who uses a statistic that has nothing to do with your argument.

People who choose to be irresponsible have nothing to do with lust, they are just irresponsible.
People who can lust responsibly, own guns responsibly, drink responsibly, are not the problem.
Again, I question if you are the man of Libertarian and self-responsbility ideals you claim.
 
Just yourself, but not others, respect our values (2/2)

As far as I am concerned, sex feels great because if it didn't, our ape ancestors would not have had sex and the species would have died out. Sex and lust are not necessary in today's world. They are a reality and they feel very good.
Sex and lust is healthy and should be promoted, not put down.
In fact, a great amount of the irresponsible nature of people comes many people who are caught in self-doubt based on their raising.
You should really read up on some of the contributing factors to this, not just in boys (and even girls sometimes), but adults.

If we educated boys and girls on the responsibility that comes with sex and lust, as well as drinking, etc... we'd be much better off.
But beyond that, sometimes those who are continually denied and emotionally abused that "sex is bad" and "sex hurts women" sometimes find themselves just giving into "sex which hurts women."
I have continually argued the abomination of the pornographic industry just breeds that problem, whereas acceptance (as it has been outside the US in many places) does not.

And I'm not alone.

But with all the countless unwanted children that are born or aborted.
Shut up with that non-sense.

The tens of millions of worldwide rapes that go on each year.
Are not based on lust, but violence!

The millions of women (and men) whose lives are ruined through prostitution.
Imagine if they legalized it? ;)

And all the untold death and misery and cost that comes from sexually transmitted diseases.
Based on ignorance, irresponsibility and countless other issues, not lust.
You keep making correlations that only do not exist, but do not address the root cause!

Assumption, doubt, ignorance, etc... -- don't join them. ;)

I would also more death comes from irresponsibility as well as judgment of others.
Respect starts with respecting the values of others, and if my partner or the women I engage welcome lust, you will not sell me otherwise.

I told you I do not even let lust or my visual desire enter a professional environment, and I keep it eye-level.
But some women do prompt such situations, quite directly, and then I will not act prissy or otherwise lie to myself, let alone them.
Women can be flattered by the fact that they are women, they are of the female form, and a man can appreciate that.

And I'm not lying to myself by not saying it's not lust, it is.

I am DEFINITELY not proud of my lustful desires.
Then that's your problem, your self-judgment, your self-doubt.
Don't make it ours, because some of us not only don't make it a problem for ourselves, but we don't make it a problem for the women we share it with.

I acknowledge them. And I often indulge them. But I am NOT proud of them.
I've said it before, I've said it again -- instead of treating them like a "sin," get over it.
Once you do, you will not only be happier, you will find yourself realizing that you do not need to do it.

I don't have this "internal conflict" every time I meet a woman, I keep it eye-level.
But the second she opens the door to her body, and she prompts it, I'll look, a good look, and I'll comment.
It's about respecting her values, and when her values ask me to complement her, I will.

And I truly believe that the World would be far better off were humans not to have them.
And I believe judgment is the root of all evil.

Though I imagine Mr. FreeOnes would definitely NOT agree with me - lol.
Then why are you here?
 
There was a girl in one of my classes last semester and we'd always be doing groupwork in class. She wasn't the hottest, but she had huge tits and a bangin' body. Anyways, her tits would always be falling out of her top and I always would stare at them when we were doing something. A couple times I was staring at them, when I looked up, we made eye contact, so I'm pretty sure she knew, but she didn't seem to care. She did seem like a slut, I should have asked for a titfuck.
Make sure her values include her being considered a "slut" and men asking her for a "titfuck" as you suggest.
If so, then no harm -- but if you don't know, just remember it's about her values being open to it first. ;)

If there is one thing I've learned, it's that women want men to not make assumptions, they want men to learn who they are.
Women can be very sexual, very lustful, very forceful, very forward.
But many women have to limit how much they show of that, because men tend to be cruel if a woman shows such.

Imagine if men respected and treated every woman like a lady, and learned their values.
I think the world would be full of women that were much more open, because they wouldn't have to live in fear.

There's no further proof of that than outside the US where sex and lust are accepted, not shunned.
More sex, less abortions, less STD issues, more responsibility taught, absorbed and passed on.

In countries were sex and lust are shunned even more, the abortion rates and STD issues are even greater.
The former Soviet Union used to rack in 3x the number of abortions than the US in the '80s, at the high-point of "moral majority" in US power.
 
There's a simple way to find out ...

I was just going to add that one of my best friends' wife has got an incredible rack and she likes to wear tank tops. Well, she bends over all the time to pick things up and if you're carrying on a conversation...it's a near impossibility NOT to look. My that bastard is lucky...
I think she knows she has a hot body and likes showing it off from time to time. I applaud her. I know my buddy and I'm sure he enjoys knowing that "all of us" think his wife is a hottie.
There's a simple way to find out.
After the next time she does it, just state right to her, "you know you really show off a lot when you do that."
If she smiles or even quips back with something like, "you had to ask?"

Just answer, "hey, I'm just looking for approval to indulge when you show us such.
If you did not, then I would not.
But since you do not mind, just know that it is the closest I get to heaven every time you do."

From my POV..I don't care if dudes check out girls I'm with. I'm confident enough in myself to laugh it off or make it into what it really is..a celebration of her.
I've been in the same position for almost a decade and a half now.
My wife wears conservative clothing when she doesn't want them to be noticed, and she plunges the V-neck when she wants to.
One time her sister made a "big deal" about it when we were at lunch, so right in front of everyone, I put my hands right down into her V-neck.

I hate judgmental people, but I know how to shut them up. ;)

I just am very strict in work situations. A girl would have to jump in my lap topless to get me to notice. I can not be "broken" by a low line...
That's just how it has to be, although if she starts the conversation, there's no way I'm lying or denying.
 

McRocket

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Re: Just yourself, but not others, respect our values (2/2)

Shut up with that non-sense.
Back to your old ways Prof? If you can't prove them wrong, just tell them to shut up? Naughty naughty - :D.

Are not based on lust, but violence!
Some are. But I would say most are based on both.

Imagine if they legalized it? ;)
Fine with me. That, of course, wouldn't stop all those married men (who do BY FAR the most 'Johning') from fooling around on their wives for the sake of, among other things, lust.

But some women do prompt such situations, quite directly, and then I will not act prissy or otherwise lie to myself, let alone them....

...Don't make it ours, because some of us not only don't make it a problem for ourselves, but we don't make it a problem for the women we share it with.
And just how do these women 'prompt you directly'? Simply by wearing a flattering outfit? By not verbally objecting to your stares?
Why not just save the lustful stares for your wife? Or are you SO determined to prove your mother was wrong? Because that is what much of this seems to me to be really about. Let it go man. Seriously and sincerely.

And I believe judgment is the root of all evil.
I believe unhappiness and pain are the root of evil.

Then why are you here?
Right now? To help show you the way - ;).
 
Staring at breasts = increased pregnancy rates (huh?)

Back to your old ways Prof? If you can't prove them wrong, just tell them to shut up?
You have related staring at women's breasts to increased pregnancy.
You have quoted statistics on pregnancy as "proof" -- WTF?

I have related irresponsibility to increased pregnancy.
People who cannot be responsible shouldn't have sex.

Lust exits regardless, which even you admit about yourself with your own statements.
You beat yourself up about it, and then judge all of us based on that.

Fine with me. That, of course, wouldn't stop all those married men (who do BY FAR the most 'Johning') from fooling around on their wives for the sake of, among other things, lust.
In case you haven't kept up, the statistics have changed since the '70s.

Since the '80s, virtually every study I have seen pegs infidelity equal among men and women.
It has to do more with the ability to be self-sufficient, fiscally, than anything else.

Since the '80s, both women and men are 20% likely to have an affair at least once in their marriage.
And since the '80s, around 8% have extra-marital affairs on a regular basis.

Virtually every study I've seen in the US -- from Minnesota to California to Harvard and a few others have been within a few percentage points of those numbers.
I thought you were a Libertarian, but apparently you're into "winning points" by badmouthing men, but not equally doing the same of women.

Divorce rates went up when women could support themselves, just like it did for adultry.

And just how do these women 'prompt you directly'? Simply by wearing a flattering outfit? By not verbally objecting to your stares?
Obviously you didn't read anything I said -- go back and read what I said.

This is 100% argumentative non-sense and further judgment and you know it.
Ironically, you disrespect the values of not just myself, but my wife and our collective right to live how we want and be happy.

And, ironically, you are the one disrespecting the women, not I, because I limit my lust for those who ask for it.
You admit you can't control yours, and you beat yourself up, and you don't see a difference -- you don't look at other people's values.

But since you can't read ...

"What is a prompt? A woman saying she is fat, needs to lose weight, etc... There are ways to keep it professional without getting sexual. Talking about the female form, and being blunt, but tasteful in telling select women (in all honesty) that are just wide, not fat, is also easy to do. At the most, I'll leave it with, "don't want to be a HR issue, but I feel that was a professional observation."

Why not just save the lustful stares for your wife? Or are you SO determined to prove your mother was wrong?
Maybe because you haven't stopped to read to realize what "lust" is to my wife?
You have continually taken the value of others and judged them as you see fit, under your own views.

Stop judging us.

As far as my mother, she admits she was wrong now, and it took a long time for it to come about.
It helps that my brother is a psychologist (who still lives at home if you can believe that) and my mother learned what she did to me.

As my wife always says, "I wish I could have been there to slap her."

Unfortunately, it looks like you haven't broken your mother's "programming."
You say you respect women, yet you admit you lust and you can't help yourself.

And the reason you lash out at us is because you're lashing out at yourself all-the-time.
You beat yourself up, you have been brainwashed to hate what you can't stop yourself from doing.

Do you know where most rapists come from? ;)

Because that is what much of this seems to me to be really about. Let it go man. Seriously and sincerely.
Dude, you haven't even been remotely sincere to anyone in so many threads, you want to judge others.
And I have continually shown, among others, this is because you are so down on yourself.

You think lust is bad, yet you continue, and you continue to judge others for it at the same time.

I believe unhappiness and pain are the root of evil.
Then you must be evil, because you are very unhappy and inflict pain on others with your judgement.
You're addiction to judge myself and my relationship with my wife and the values of everyone else here is a clear indicator of the pain you have inside.

I honestly wish I could help you, because you're actually a very good, respectful guy inside, but you can't seem to stop torturing yourself.
You lust, you can't stop, get over it, channel it effectively, channel it when a woman's values want you to, and you'll be fine.
 

McRocket

Banned
Re: Staring at breasts = increased pregnancy rates (huh?)

You have related staring at women's breasts to increased pregnancy.
What?!? :1orglaugh
Exactly where did I do that? Because that's news to me.
Since the '80s, virtually every study I have seen pegs infidelity equal among men and women.
It has to do more with the ability to be self-sufficient, fiscally, than anything else.
What are you typing about? I wasen't typing about all infidelity. I was typing that most people that use the services of escorts are overwhelmingly married men.

I honestly believe that when you read something you don't like or can't prove wrong that you twist the meaning of the statement to suit yourself.
You admit you can't control yours,
Where EXACTLY did I type that I can't control my lust?

Prove I did or please retract it.
Stop judging us.
Are you not now judging me?
Dude, you haven't even been remotely sincere to anyone in so many threads, you want to judge others.
Fine. Prove it and I will agree with you.
Then you must be evil, because you are very unhappy and inflict pain on others with your judgment.
Now I 'must be evil'?
Will you please get a grip on yourself? You are, IMO, just sounding irrational now.

Stick with the thread's subject or please take it to pm.
 
How can you not look, if a nice pair walks by its your duty as a man to look. And if your caught it lets them know theve got it right
 

Elwood70

Torn & Frayed.
My wife has pointed out attractive women to me on more than one occaision.We'll be out together;and she'll see someone,and say to me "There ya go,Hon."

It doesn't bother her,as long as I don't ignore her.
 
I have never had that problem. I catch 10% of the 100% woman who are checkin-me-out. Not a bragging, just true.
 
today at walmart, a spanish chick with DD's was walking around with a tee-shirt 2 sizes too small. The shirt on the front had the handprints right on her boobs.
She had her little attitude and rolled her eyes when she saw me staring at them puppies.
Fuck her....and yeah I'll fuck her tits!

Peace.

what's up with that? She wants it both ways. She desparately wants your attention but desparately don't want you to think she's trying to get it.
 
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