Belgian lawmakers pass burka ban

[meesterperfect]

Muslims take it all away? Paranoid much. Most people in Europe live peacefully side by side (1000s of years of history have dilluted the ethnic populations already) and you get very minor incidents of racial tension, which make headlines in the right wing media. This whole view that Islam is trying to overthrow the west because they hate the fact we have tvs and 'moderninity' is absurd, sounds like something straight out of the mouth of George Bush trying scare the world to side with the states, something the UK, Spain and Australia did to great costs (London/Madrid/Bali bombings). People should be allowed to practice their religion as long as it doesn't infringe on security (ie faces covered in public or inciting violence) or health and safety (ie dress or hygiene etc). Everyone respected, no one disrespected everyone happy, simples.

no not paranoid, just realistic.
lets wait about twenty or 50 years and see who was right.

Its called mass immigration dude.
and your thousands of years of dilluted ethnic populations theory doesn't apply here, but it is a good excuse for those who buy into it.

Sure the anglo saxons came from germany into england 1500 years ago, norse mixed with many populations also.
That was a long time ago.
It has nothing to do with what is happening in Europe today.

I wonder, if euro people began a mass immigration into arab and indian lands, who you would be defending.

 

[Ulysses31]

There has been a lot of US immigration to ARAB and Indian lands (whatever that means) over the past decade. At least 100000 US citizens in Iraq and at least 100000 more in afghanistan, and they get to keep their faces covered! Now that's mass immigration if ever I saw it.

 

[tartanterrier]

How will these women be able to piss off back home?

By sticking them in Eurostar trains bound for the east end of Istanbul

 

[mrtrebus]

How will these women be able to piss off back home?

By sticking them in Eurostar trains bound for the east end of Istanbul

They're all from the east end of Istanbul? Ridiculous.
PS - learn to quote properly.

 

[tartanterrier]

How will these women be able to piss off back home?
They're all from the east end of Istanbul? Ridiculous.
PS - learn to quote properly.

I'm sure they are clever enough to make their way back home.

Looks like you have the problem in quoting :wave2:

 

[mrtrebus]

By changing laws to suit them. Liberals screwed up Western Europe as badly as the ultra nationalists during the 30s and 40s.


The islamists have more balls and stomach for usurping Western Europe's traditional post WWII progressive ways than the liberals do in stopping them.
Everything you stand for, they are against and in the end they'll win because they believe Allah wills it. Their religious fervor easily outmaneuvers West Europe's progressive secularists. For that I actually have to give them credit. The islamists have the brass.:hatsoff:

Rubbish. Fear mongering racism nothing more.

 

[Supafly]

You want me to be clear then here you go.

4 words: "Let muslims be muslims."

Creating a law that prevents those women of following their religion, is the Belgian government bored or something? They have not committed any crime, they pay their bills etc, etc and that's how the Belgian government repay them? What are they, children?

It is not really the choice of the muslim women to wear burkas and live their lifes in the shadow of the shariah.

As much as the concept of life due to the rules of the catholic church, you need to move on from the stone age and, well, if you want to live in countries that are having modern-times laws and rules, you have to live by them and accept that the shariah is second to the countries laws.

We have rules that say all people have equal rights and if you want your women to be second-class humans, you are breaking our laws.

In four words:

Want shariah - Leave country.

 

[mrtrebus]

It is not really the choice of the muslim women to wear burkas and live their lifes in the shadow of the shariah.

As much as the concept of life due to the rules of the catholic church, you need to move on from the stone age and, well, if you want to live in countries that are having modern-times laws and rules, you have to live by them and accept that the shariah is second to the countries laws.

We have rules that say all people have equal rights and if you want your women to be second-class humans, you are breaking our laws.

In four words:

Want shariah - Leave country.

But how does banning the Burka liberate these women?

 

[Johan]

Excellent law.
It's not Burqa that is banned. It is banned to go to public places with your face hidden.

And even if it is burqa, it's not because very few people are concerned that there shouldn't be a law.

Belgium has no more government but they succeeded passing a law that France has been debating for monthes :hatsoff:

 

[Supafly]

But how does banning the Burka liberate these women?

It's a start. I hope it leads to further steps out of the prison.

Mind you, I think the islam CAN be a good concept, but they need to re-define their religion and move it to the present times.

 

[bustybbwlover]

the qur'an was 'passed to muhammad through the angel gabriel' in the 7th century....it's not modern nor is the bible nor the torah nor the bhagavad gita

 

[mrtrebus]

It's a start. I hope it leads to further steps out of the prison.

Mind you, I think the islam CAN be a good concept, but they need to re-define their religion and move it to the present times.

How is it a start?
& what about women who wear it by their own choosing?

 

[Supafly]

How is it a start?
& what about women who wear it by their own choosing?

I think that is a myth. And if women want to put themselves in a moving prison, they need help.

 

[mrtrebus]

I think that is a myth. And if women want to put themselves in a moving prison, they need help.

Its rare but not a myth & I will ask again how is this law a start, in liberating women from a moving prison? How is it helping them?

 

[sualcalay]

It is not really the choice of the muslim women to wear burkas and live their lifes in the shadow of the shariah.

As much as the concept of life due to the rules of the catholic church, you need to move on from the stone age and, well, if you want to live in countries that are having modern-times laws and rules, you have to live by them and accept that the shariah is second to the countries laws.

We have rules that say all people have equal rights and if you want your women to be second-class humans, you are breaking our laws.

In four words:

Want shariah - Leave country.

Have those women revolted? Have they come out and asked for help regarding the shariah's laws? Have they complained that they're being opressed?

Because if they didn't then let's stop assuming what's best for them. Because assuming makes an ass out of you and me.

You want to "save" someone, let them decide they want to be "saved" first.

 

[Trident1]

Rubbish. Fear mongering racism nothing more.

Uh yeah sure. Keep thinking that way.


Taking the burqa off liberates them because they're not forced to cover up. Interesting that some liberals want them covered.

If this was a hard core christian group where male law said that women had to cover up..........you lib freaks would be demanding the women be free of their religious shackles.

But because we're dealing with islam, you develop the typical liberal limp wrist syndrome and side with the men against the women.

 

[mrtrebus]

Uh yeah sure. Keep thinking that way.


Taking the burqa off liberates them because they're not forced to cover up. Interesting that some liberals want them covered.

If this was a hard core christian group where male law said that women had to cover up..........you lib freaks would be demanding the women be free of their religious shackles.

But because we're dealing with islam, you develop the typical liberal limp wrist syndrome and side with the men against the women.

Wait a minute?!? This law bans them from wearing them in public. How does this law make them liberated from wearing them? Please explain how this law would liberate them?

& if it was a Christian group my views would be the same, it has nothing to do with Islam.

I support fully a woman's choice to be free from wearing a garment that she is forced to wear by any means of oppression be they religious or secular. That is NOT my argument. My argument is that I simply do not see how this law will help women oppressed in this manner from becoming liberated.

Can someone who supports this law please answer this very simple question which I have asked numerous times. . .

 

[Rey C.]

(I'm actually a pretty decent, sophisticated human being).

BTW, what is you ethnic background anyway? Establishing that alone will say ubundant words about your agenda.

"Ubundant", eh? Yes, very sophisticated.

For your sake, let's hope that the U.S. doesn't pass any "English only" laws. :1orglaugh

 

[SmartHottie]

anybody remembers what belgians did in Africa in 16, 17, 18 and 19th centuries even early 20th?
they were not so friendly to those poor African people

 

[sualcalay]

anybody remembers what belgians did in Africa in 16, 17, 18 and 19th centuries even early 20th?
they were not so friendly to those poor African people

I am glad that you at least know mate.

I wasn't joking when I said that the Belgian Government's fucked up. But even without considering what happened in Africa:

And don't even compare that this situation to a Christian one folks, because when christians want their laws of christianity to change they speak amongst themselves, no interference from the outside or whatsoever, and that's how things work, only you know what's best for yourself. It is pretentious to think that we know what is best for people that belong to a different religion, simply because they know what they do. If those women cover their heads they know why, and if they don't want to then they won't do it.