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Arizona Immigration Bill PASSES!!
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Skyraider22
The One and Only Big Daddy
I don't see how it did not make any sense I asked you: Did you take the time to read the thread :dunno:
Skyraider22
The One and Only Big Daddy
I did answer you. I dont know why the post isnt up.
Your lack of grammar confused me. Without a comma, it wasn't clear you were asking a statement.
Skyraider22
The One and Only Big Daddy
Okay that is understandable
EL PASO (AP) — Nearly all illegal guns seized in Mexico come from the United States, the head of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Monday.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-08-11-mexico-guns_N.htm it really is easy to back claims with sources
lol
i am not a blame America protagonist. it is all coming down to the basics of a market. LaLiLuLeLohan sais "Mexicans wanting their money and power", yet that is what any society strives for. Billions of dollars are being made through this specific market of selling to the United States. Big walls and sniper towers are not going to stop an addiction to drugs. If there is a market for anything, than a seller will step up. If not Mexico, than Canada/Russia will gladly take those billions.
Not to be a jackass but your mentioning "lack of grammar" with this post is pretty fucking hilarious! (You'd have to admit:o )
Legzman
what the fuck you lookin at?
punishable by death! Seriously. If that were the punishment a lot less people would be border jumpers
The same Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that worries about Mexican grenades making their way North of the border?http://blog.taragana.com/n/atf-worries-about-mexican-cartel-grenades-coming-into-america-129335/
I find it odd that the cartels get their grenades from the Central American black market and military, yet they get their guns only from us!
Oh wait, no I don't find it odd. Because it's not true.
http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/guns-mexico-and-the-90-percent-myth
http://www.redcounty.com/american-g...ey-just-lie-around-and-get-twisted-pretzels-1
http://www.jpfo.org/articles-assd/mex-guns-lies.htm
If you don't like those sources, I suppose there's this. I hope you own a farm or a large garden because, if you believe the 90% nonsense, you bought a pile of bullshit.
Just because someone is not an American citizen does not mean they are not entitled to basic human rights. You can not commit a crime against a person, legal citizen or not, and escape persecution. You can not let a person die in the streets in this country because they are not a citizen or because they can't afford to pay for healthcare. You do not have the right to harass someone just because you don't like them.
What are "illegals" protesting over anyway? What protests are you talking about specifically?
You have closed off your thinking to an alarming degree.
You're joking right? Can you back this up? I find it hard to believe that Arizonans would endorse a tax increase as opposed to the usual: cut education, cut health, cut welfare, cut business taxes, etc.
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PirateKing
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We all know the Mexican government is corrupt. Urbanized areas are vastly overpopulated and Drug cartels are rampant. It's impossible to ignore these problems because they're our neighbors. Inevitably their problems spill over into our border. I think we are going about the wrong approach by desperately trying to keep illegals from crossing over. Why not merge ourselves and work with the Mexican government to solve these issues?
how does this sound?:
U.S.M. (United States of Mexico) That's not imperialism right?
:dunno:
Nevermind...:shy:
how does this sound?:
U.S.M. (United States of Mexico) That's not imperialism right?
:dunno:
Nevermind...:shy:
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Well... you could march to my house and demand I buy you stuff. I'm a very weak-willed person. :yesyes:
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
It's not necessarily about having a shit job. Unless you're at the executive level, corporations are more than happy to replace you with a foreign worker who'll work for less money than an American worker. No illegal is going to take my job. But some guy with an H1B Visa might. Just as some corporations are more than happy to hire cheap, illegal labor, most support opening up the H1B program, because they can get dirt cheap, technically skilled labor for up to six years. NAFTA was supported by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the California Chamber of Commerce and most of the business lobby. Bill Gates (and quite a few other tech billionaires) is in favor of opening up H1B. I understand we don't turn out enough kids who are are skilled in math and science. But IMO, the answer to that (near the top) is not to flood the market with cheap, "legal" labor from India and Pakistan. And the answer (near the bottom) is not to flood the market with cheap, illegal labor.
To the best of my knowledge, at least H1B holders pay taxes here. But I can empathize with the frustrated citizens in places like Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and California. Apart from the crime issue, the social cost of having so many people in your area who don't/can't pay taxes is unsustainable. Bush cobbled together that unfunded mandate known as "No Child Left Behind". Skyraider mentioned Tennessee. I know for a fact that many areas of Tennessee have seen property taxes go up by 100% or better because they've had to fund teachers and staff to educate the children of migrant workers (some legal, but many illegal) who showed up in their school districts.
I have nothing against Mexicans, Pakistanis, Indians or anybody else. But IMO, we do have to have laws (that are enforced) that deal with who can and who can't legally be in the U.S. I am against NAFTA, and always have been. I am for free (FAIR!) trade. I am for legal immigration... that is also fair, and not just a backdoor way to depress wages in this country.
Except for a few (dozen) personality quirks, I think I'm a fairly reasonable guy. But without meaningful immigration reform and control over our southern border, even people like me are going to reach the point of maximum frustration... and at that point, I might not seem quite so reasonable anymore. If I lived in Texas, Arizona or New Mexico, and there were people running across my land every night, you'd have probably already seen me on CNN or Fox News (as the case may be
). If I even catch a whisper of someone hunting on my land without my permission, I get overly aggressive - if you're on my land and you see me staring at you with an AK-47 slung over my shoulder and a big drum mag hanging out of it, I'm not there to ask you if you saw any big deer that day. Can you imagine how goofy I'd get if my land was a walking highway for illegals? Nah, that dog just don't hunt.Let's get some meaningful reform in place that's fair, but that is also going to address the issue. This is a problem! Both sides of the political spectrum need to recognize that fact.
If the Federal government would simply focus on what they are SUPPOSED to be doing (i.e. their Constitutional responsibilities), this would not have been necessary. But unfortunately, you have both parties catering to the "hispanic" vote and do not want to be seen as biased or whatever. So, our nation of laws is undermined by drug and human traffickers not to mention tons of illegals coming from and through Mexico that are bankrupting the states and localities while the Feds sit on their hands and do nothing to enforce the sworn duty to protect America's borders and it's citizens' rights.
I say good job Arizona trying to do what the Federal government should have been doing all along.
I say good job Arizona trying to do what the Federal government should have been doing all along.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Considering the current tone in the U.S., I'm thinking that approach wouldn't have a happy ending. A lot of people in the U.S. middle class already feel as if they're under attack, legitimately or not. But if the government allowed this nation to be flooded with people, whose main purpose in being here would be to drive down wages and the middle class standard of living, you would see even the most moderate of moderates become radicalized. What would it take to turn me into a wingnut of epic proportions? I'd say that would do it. :hatsoff:
You'd have people quoting (and misquoting) the Founding Fathers as the loaded up on ammo... and it's quite probable that you'd see a revolution against the government, violent or otherwise.
The only social/economic class such a move would benefit is the merchant/banking/management class in this country - the VERY people that Thomas Jefferson warned us about over 200 years ago. I make a nice living and I have managed to build a nice collection of toys over the years (partially because I'm unmarried and don't have kids). But I'm not delusional like some; I know where I stand and I know that the divide between upper middle class and upper class is wider than the Pacific Ocean. So shit on me, just so that people who own (not lease!) Gulfstream G5's and third homes in Switzerland can make an extra $, and I'll shit back. And I'd support anyone else who would stand with me... even if it was the likes of Palin, Bachmann or any other nutter.
I'm all for stopping illegal immigration in any way shape or form, as long as it doesn't infringe on perfectly legal citizen's rights. Also I hope they're going after all illegals and not just Hispanics. As long as these two conditions are met then yeah, I'm all for it.
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