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2011/2012 NCAA Football Thread
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Personally, I don't want the SEC to expand. With more teams, Mike Slive may decide to expand the SEC schedule. SEC teams already have to play 8 conference games. That's 8 games in the toughest conference in the country! I would prefer they only play 7, freeing them up to play an extra non-conference game.
Anyhow, if expansion does come to pass, Texas A&M should be placed in the West Division with Arkansas as it would force them to play each other every year. As for adding another team to the East, there are only two teams that I would want the SEC to consider, Florida State and/or Georgia Tech. If FSU passed, G-Tech would make sense because of their rivalry with Georgia, and the fact G-Tech was an SEC member until leaving in 1964.
I would just like to say that I called FSU and Texas A&M moving to the SEC on this very board a whiles back.......Makes sense to me for them to at the very least consider it, or use it as leverage to get some "special treatment" from their respective conferences. FSU in particular would be a huge loss for the ACC.
Jagger69
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See, here's where the dominoes start to fall. If FSU goes to the SEC, where does that leave Miami? They would not be happy about FSU leaving the ACC I can tell you that for sure. You can envision a scenario where the Big 10, PAC 12 and SEC start to scoop up the cream of the crop from the Big 12(10), the Big East and the ACC....resulting in at least 3 superconferences.
I'd also think that if FSU joins the SEC, Oklahoma would ultimately go to the PAC 12 with Texas....leaving BYU out in the cold. Should be fascinating to watch this transition which, in my mind, is inevitable.
FSU already plays UF every year, and plays a lot of SEC schools. They have never been afraid to schedule them, same with some SEC schools. It just means that UF/FSU would be a conference game instead of just a state rivalry.
I think the media invents these rumors when they're having a slow news day.
Still, it is interesting with the story implying that the SEC is ready to invite Texas A&M and Florida State as well as Missouri and Clemson! This is an odd combination. If FSU did join the SEC, I would assume they'd probably want Miami to come along with them, and if that happens, Georgia Tech may want to jump on board.
However, if FSU and Miami left, G-Tech may stick with the ACC as they would probably see themselves as the best team left in the ACC. Of course, if this happens, I see G-Tech pressing the ACC to add new members, probably going after teams in the Big East, or maybe... Notre Dame. I know everyone seems to want Notre Dame to join the Big Ten (they need to change the name as they actually have 12 teams
), but I think the ACC would be more accommodating to Notre Dame.ever since the Pac 10 tried to become the Pac 16 alot of media people have suspected that the power conferences are trying to create an envirnoment of 4 super conferences where everyone is gathered in. The SEC was the only conference that didnt get in that discussion, it was the Pac 10, the Big 12 trying to save itself and the Big 10 becoming the new big 12. The Big East is pitiful enough. Who knows with the news thats going around, the Big 12 may go the way of the old Southwest conference into extinction, the Pac 10 is still determined to expand, I dont think this is good for college football
I guess I must be a dinosaur because I'm still unhappy with the new Pac 12. We gave up the perfect symmetry (and tradition) of having each conference team play every other conference team every year (thus no need for a debilitating, often redundant conference championship game) in order to add....... Colorado and Utah???
I understand that Denver and Salt Lake City are a couple of sizable markets, but still......
But if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State decide to sign up I MIGHT change my view
I don't see Texas coming to the Pac 12, much I'd love to see it happen.
How much will they miss Harbaugh's intensity?
I still think they'll go 10 and 3.
LSU opening week and Nevada the next: they better come out of the gate sharp or .... :horse:
After that they should pretty much cruise until playing at Stanford 11/11.
Yep I'm on board with both of those :thumbsup:
I'm actually hearing pretty good things about Nuweasel's Bruins. But they still don't have a quarterback who can throw any better than me :1orglaugh ....so....
Where I live, the SEC was definitely in those media discussions, but most were against expansion. The perception in the SEC area(s) was that the SEC is the strongest conference in the nation, but having to play an 8-game conference schedule was torturous enough on the current teams and adding more teams would just makes thing a lot more difficult.
If the Big 12 implodes, I think Texas will end up joining another conference and the Pac 12 seems likely to me. Some have speculated they would join the SEC, but I doubt Mike Slive is stupid enough to go after them for the exact reason why Texas A&M is wanting to leave. I can see the other SEC teams in open revolt and calling for Slive's resignation if he tried to grab Texas, because they won't stand for letting Texas negotiate their own media deals while the rest of the SEC has to share.I guess I must be a dinosaur because I'm still unhappy with the new Pac 12. We gave up the perfect symmetry (and tradition) of having each conference team play every other conference team every year (thus no need for a debilitating, often redundant conference championship game) in order to add....... Colorado and Utah???
I understand that Denver and Salt Lake City are a couple of sizable markets, but still......
But if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State decide to sign up I MIGHT change my view
I don't see Texas coming to the Pac 12, much I'd love to see it happen.
Also, some of my friends want TCU to join the Big 12, but I'm sure Texas would be against this, and if it ever did happen, I figure Texas would demand TCU be placed in the other division.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Other division?
There is no other division, Connor. After Nebraska and Colorado left, divisions were done away with since the NCAA requires at least 6 teams minimum per division in order to split the conference. Otherwise, I don't see TCU joining nor being invited to join. First off, they just joined the Big East so it would look pretty flaky for them to suddenly bolt to a disintegrating Big 12(10). Secondarily, from a TV market standpoint, TCU brings nothing to the table since the DFW market is already solidly Big 12(10).
Latest word in the Houston Chronicle this morning from columnist Richard Justice (in which he was touting UH (Houston) joining the Big 12(10) should A & M leave for the SEC) was that Big 12(10) commissioner Dan Beebe (with some serious prompting from UT athletic director Deloss Dodds) was taking a serious look at possibly adding BYU and Air Force, thereby gaining a big share of the Denver and Salt Lake City TV markets.
Read more here:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/7696440.html
It's all about the money. We'll see how it plays out. Fascinating stuff.
Looks like A&M is staying... for now.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...fied-current-alignment-extend-invite-texas-am
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...fied-current-alignment-extend-invite-texas-am
Yes, I know that. What I meant was if they added TCU and enough teams to get back to 12, they would then go back to having divisions and Texas would want TCU in the other division.Other division?
It may still happen, I hope not, but we'll see...
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
OK dude....just making sure. :1orglaugh
So tell me then....what makes you think that Texas would be so insistent that TCU was in the North Division? :dunno:
I didn't have any real opinion on the matter, but I know a few Texas fans and they explained it in a way that made me understand. Alabama would never want UAB to join the SEC as it would mean that they would eventually have to play them, and if they lost to UAB, the fallout would be tremendous, so in the unlikely event that TCU joined the Big 12, Texas wouldn't want to play them every year.
Look at it this way, I remember the NCAA basketball tournament (I think it was 1989), the media reported how Alabama was extremely pissed at having to play South Alabama, as a loss would be very humiliating, and it certainly didn't help when Bama blew a 29 point halftime lead to lose at the buzzer. It was one of those situations where you really have nothing to gain in a win, and a loss has long-term repercussions.
i think with the recent transactions, the present day Big 12 will go extinct in 5 years time, which would be interesting that 20 or so years after the Big 8 took half the Southwest conference in (Baylor and Texas Tech more reluctantly) they go the same fate as the SWC, and the if the super conferences plan goes as seems to be drawn out the Big East may also cease to exist
I'm not yet sold on the notion the Big 12 will die, but I have to agree, the Big East is probably doomed.
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