2011/2012 NCAA Football Thread
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What part of Alabama are you in? Where I'm from, Tide & Tiger fans do speak to each other before the game, but only to say crap about the other team.
IMO, everyone on the team should get the same amount. If you pay one player more, they can develop an ego problem. That's especially true when you're dealing with immature teenagers.
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Those guys over at SportsByBrooks are writing story after story on that whole mess about those displays in that clothing store. It's perfectly obvious they broke some rules there, but even I, an Auburn fan, have to admit those particular rules are just damn silly.
Miami could be in a world of hurt if theres any truth at all to what the imprisoned booster said...I trust Yahoo's reporting, theyve hit every nail on the head when they put up stories on NCAA violations by big name programs... what theyre accused of is borderline death penalty, not quite there, but very close to be sure..theyll be lucky if bowl ban and loss of scholarships is all they get off with. This is the last thing that program needs afer Luke Campbell helped get them in trouble in the early 90's that lead to sanctions that set them 5 years back.
Doesn't anyone else think it possible that Ohio State leaked information about the U cheating?
Yep, I totally agree.
The same amount to all.
And it shouldn't be a large amount. Enough to offset tuition & cost of living plus a little extra.
Scholarship athletes will end up netting more because they don't have to pay tuition, but that seems fair to me because they earned those scholarships.
It's too bad for the Trojans, cuz IMO without that cloud over them, they'd be in the title mix. That's why even with the same exact punishment, Miami wouldn't be affected so direly as USC will.
Boise State will be out of the way as soon as Andy Murray, aka the next big star QB in the SEC, leads Georgia past them. Remember last time Boise was riding high expectations into a season and played Georgia? They lost 48-13.
pettis and young was 2 of the biggest playmakers (their was many)in the ncaa last year...that opened up holes for avery all year..taking nothing away from boise..they done damn good..but on the other hand...i could name you about 5 teams that could walk through that cupcake schdule...Every year..they gotta beat a couple of seasoned SEC teams to get my love
Jagger69
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OK Bodie but how does that take care of the problem? So they get their tuition paid for plus a little spending money. How does that change how an athlete responds when a booster offers him a new Corvette, designer clothes, dinner at Shula's Steak House and all the booze and hookers he can handle? I don't think some pocket money is going to stop that activity at all.
It's a serious issue and I'm sure Miami will (and should) be barbecued over this if the allegations are true but I'm willing to bet that every successful Division 1 program out there has similar things going on. It's a huge problem and it's not going away until or unless the NCAA does something about it. In the meantime, keep a lookout for your (that's a collective "your") school to possibly be the next one to be exposed.
Oh, now you're an expert on Boise State? Please just stop now. Restrict yourself to having us try to make sense out of your SEC Bama garble. That's hard enough to do. And it's about all I can take and by I I mean everyone with a brain.
So, when Boise beats Georgia this year, I guess we'll just chalk it up as dem mighty dawgs not being like a Bama team and choking away the game, huh...:weeping:
Jagz -- you are right. There is something rotten in Denmark when all of these brand name teams are basically fooked. The college football season does not shine bright without big matchups between the big powers or when the little guy pushed the Big Power to the brink of upset.
How will an athlete/pay system work when we have Private schools with much, much deeper pockets than Public schools?
I'm not sure the folks in Alabama will want their tax dollars going directly (or indirectly) to pay 18-21 yr olds.
Maybe a better "system" is the "off-season job" where a private company or a small biz can "hire" an athlete for a summer and pay that athlete something like $30k in cash for a "summer's work" -- sure they probably won't actually do shit, but I think it could be a better system then having the colleges pay athletes directly. This 30K could be the max an athlete can earn in a summer and we can rely on W2s or some new IRS/NCAA tax document to be filed for record-keeping....
As long as there are equaling factors like salary caps and revenue sharing between big name programs why not just let the market decide what players are worth? That would be the fairest way to go and it would keep competitive balance. For those of you that are afraid of boosters just giving people more money now, how would that be any different than the NFL for where people could potentially give them outside money, where it really happens? People risking their playing time and careers for taking huge amounts of cash from people they shouldn't when they are making almost nothing is a pretty good risk for them, but if they really made a lot of money the risk would be great enough not to screw around and try to get more, and they wouldn't feel as cheated to want to do it in the first place.
To all the people that are stating that the players should be getting the same amount of money (or people that don't think they should be making anything) tell me this. If you were somebody like Reggie Bush or Cam Newton, for example, and were were the direct cause of millions and millions and millions of dollars coming into the university not to mention a highly disproportional reason for your team winning compared to the other players, why the hell should you get only the same amount as a backup punter or maybe not get anything at all? For that manner why shouldn't you be able to have endorsement come your way and cash in on it? Also, why shouldn't you have control over the right to your very image?
To all the people that think a tuition and housing is a good payment, again, let the market decide. If most players aren't really worth more than that or it really is a good value then most players will be happy to play for just that with just the elite making more, and if that's not the case then we will know even the rank and file players were getting screwed after all these years by the unfair system that's in place.
As for me if I had it my way I wouldn't have any place of higher education be in the professional (or de facto professional) sports business, and I would have all the players go to a farm system or an independent league to develop. Schools should be about education, not about being in big sports business. In my opinion they have no business in it and things like this just prove that fact and drive it home no matter how much people don't want to face up to it.
I have to be honest. I consider myself a reasonably moral and ethical person, but if I were in a big name college player's shoes, and forced to be in the system the way it is, if I thought there was a good chance I could take money from somebody like a booster or some other person that's willing to give me a hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of dollars to play and I thought there was a decent chance I could get away with it or at least get away with it until I was drafted into the NFL were I would no longer really care if anybody found out, I WOULD DO IT. I don't see it as even wrong the way the system is set up and practically forced them into it. I wouldn't even be apologetic or feel bad. At worse I would just be getting what was rightfully mine and screwing over people that were organized to screw me over first. I might only feel bad for the other players that got punished afterwards, but that would be more the NCAA fault for setting up an unfair idiotic system and not mine.
By far, the worst idea I've ever seen. Doing this means bidding wars for top athletes and the schools with deeper pockets get the better athletes. Before there were scholarship limits, Tennessee gave out over 100 scholarships in a single season, so the NCAA had to step in. Your idea would just end up with the NCAA imposing new restrictions, so it's better not to try and even go down that road.
You are going to have a hard time stopping all this till everyone is held responsible, the players, the boosters, the agents and runners, the coach, and the university. As things are now if a players is caught alot of them think ok so now I will just turn pro and move on no big deal. And what of the agents and their runners if they get caught they just think ok no big deal on to the next player they want to sign.
That's why I suggested HUGE fines, jail time and lifetime ban from representing an athlete.
It's actually almost funny because the system works for pretty much anyone who doesn't fuck it up. Everyone, even the NCAA, knows that alumni and boosters hand out cash to players at pretty much every school. It's only when players either deal with outside parties (tattoo parlors for example
or agents), their idiot parents purchase half million dollar houses and have $40,000 annual incomes, or Ponzi scheme crooks get busted and rat, that you actually get caught. When boosters and alumni slide players cash under the table that is untraceable.
or agents), their idiot parents purchase half million dollar houses and have $40,000 annual incomes, or Ponzi scheme crooks get busted and rat, that you actually get caught. When boosters and alumni slide players cash under the table that is untraceable.
Jagger69
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It's actually almost funny because the system works for pretty much anyone who doesn't fuck it up. Everyone, even the NCAA, knows that alumni and boosters hand out cash to players at pretty much every school. It's only when players either deal with outside parties (tattoo parlors for example
:clap: Absolutely. That's why, as a governing body, the NCAA is a joke. The overriding attitude seems to be "Do what you want, just don't get caught". Why else would these players....shit, these COACHES....be involved with an obvious slimeball like Shapiro in the first place? Hell, if they wanted to, Miami could tell the NCAA to go to hell and offer full scholarships and field their team like always. Problem is, they'd have nobody to play.
It's time for a total makeover of the NCAA. The present system is clearly not working and, when you have blue-chip programs like Ohio State, USC and Miami being intimated, something isn't right. As I stated previously, don't dance on the graves of these schools because if your team is a Division 1 power I can assure you the same types of things are occurring there. It's just a matter of getting busted.
Plus, there is another 800 lb. gorilla in the mix with the TV networks. How many times are the teams I just mentioned featured on ESPN? Tell me true....you either love the Miami Hurricanes or you hate 'em but I guaran-god-damn-tee you that, as a college football fan, you are WATCHING them. That's all the networks care about. When a program like Miami, USC, OSU, UNC etc is crippled by NCAA sanctions, ratings suffer. When ratings suffer, the networks don't make as much money and that makes them VERY unhappy.
There has to be much angst and hand-wringing in the ranks of the college football moguls right now. Something's gotta give.
That is hard to believe since they had set up some games last year and this one. I dont think with all the hassle Ohio State has gone through, they would want the death penalty mentioned these days in the NCAA.
There was an interesting article in the Birmingham News today by Kevin Scarbinsky. He had an interesting point about Miami, stating the NCAA basically has enough to warrant a death penalty, but doing so would not just penalize Miami, it would also penalize every team in the ACC by lowering revenues from the lost games on ticket sales, TV exposure, etc. So, will the NCAA realize this and show some form of mercy?
As for this whole Miami mess, I haven't been following it like most of you, and in reading Scarbinsky's column, the one question I came away with was this, why did this Miami booster come out and admit (allege) all this?
As for this whole Miami mess, I haven't been following it like most of you, and in reading Scarbinsky's column, the one question I came away with was this, why did this Miami booster come out and admit (allege) all this?
Jagger69
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He was busted and sent to federal prison for 20 years for operating a Ponzi scheme and apparently he just decided to turn rat and take the U down with him.
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