2011/2012 NCAA Football Thread

[Jagger69]

I remember in 2004 when Kansas should have beat Texas but they called a phantom PI call to help Texas win because if texas lost to Kansas the Big 12 conference would have been out $60 million bucks! Then that former fat ass coach Mangino called them out on it and said it was all about dollar signs, he was right. It's sad but its the truth!

I beg to differ, BCT. I remember that game well and the KU wideout jammed the UT cornerback as he was preparing to make a cut. That's pass interference. If Brown would have jammed the WR like that, Mangino would have had a massive stroke on the spot. It was a legit call.

 

[titsrock]

There doesn't need to be a playoff. All that is required is to obliterate all conference affiliations.

Everyone is an Indie. Everyone makes his own schedule. Put together an NCAA Football committee made up of ex-coaches and have them serve 3 year terms and all they do is watch football games and decide who the best teams are.

Unless all Conferences are treated the same -- it's a flawed system. The NCAA is a joke and out-of-touch with contemporary college athletics. Force the colleges themselves to "police" their programs. Attach automatic 5 year hiring bans for any head coach fired for running a program that skirted "the rules."

We need actual, real, significant change to fix the system.

 

[Hot Mega]

There doesn't need to be a playoff. All that is required is to obliterate all conference affiliations.

Rep. Bowl tie-ins are nearly the death of an otherwise perfect symphony of order.

 

[PJpenny]

i feel easier about people who know football AND take an unbiased view of the game (they see the best teams not the best conferences) picking things than computers that are comprised by humans who do have a biased view of the game, i dont want to think what the Basketball tournament would look like if computers picked the At-large teams instead of school presidents. Bottom line, i dont want writers/computers dictating anything in college football

 

[BCT]

I beg to differ, BCT. I remember that game well and the KU wideout jammed the UT cornerback as he was preparing to make a cut. That's pass interference. If Brown would have jammed the WR like that, Mangino would have had a massive stroke on the spot. It was a legit call.

No disrespect jagger, you may be right that it was PI but the fact remains that my point is still valid. I see your a texas guy so you should know better but you know good and well that big time schools get the breaks! Don't you remember in 2004 when an undefeated Oklahoma got their ass whipped in the Big 12 Title game to Kansas State which is the last game of the year and what happened they still got to play USC for a National Title, why? Because they were voted in because of the computers like penny said and because they were a big time BCS schools with a big name!

I can give you another example. In 2001 Nebraska got killed by Colorado the last game of the season and still got to play Miami for the National Title in the Rose Bowl. Jagger you know your sports and I have always agreed with you but the fact remains that my point is correct. You can't argue with the proof I just gave you, 2 perfect examples of how bigger schools get the better end!

 

[Jagger69]

No disrespect jagger, you may be right that it was PI but the fact remains that my point is still valid. I see your a texas guy so you should know better but you know good and well that big time schools get the breaks! Don't you remember in 2004 when an undefeated Oklahoma got their ass whipped in the Big 12 Title game to Kansas State which is the last game of the year and what happened they still got to play USC for a National Title, why? Because they were voted in because of the computers like penny said and because they were a big time BCS schools with a big name!

I can give you another example. In 2001 Nebraska got killed by Colorado the last game of the season and still got to play Miami for the National Title in the Rose Bowl. Jagger you know your sports and I have always agreed with you but the fact remains that my point is correct. You can't argue with the proof I just gave you, 2 perfect examples of how bigger schools get the better end!

No disrespect taken but if you want to cite an example of favoritism due to status or reputation then you need to use a legitimate example where someone actually got jobbed. The KU/UT example doesn't work because the call was correct. Are you insinuating that the ref should have kept the flag in his pocket because it was big, bad UT against poor little-old KU??

Big-name schools (and pro teams and players for that matter) have always gotten an advantage over plain-jane schools, teams and players. It's the nature of the beast. Not arguing that....just your example.

 

[smoknn]

No when an undefeated Oklahoma got their ass whipped in the Big 12 Title game to Kansas State which is the last game of the year and what happened they still got to play USC for a National Title, why? Because they were voted in because of the computers like penny said and because they were a big time BCS schools with a big name!
do i remember a lsu team that got they ass handed to them by ark. the very last game? and WON!! a national title..i think so, that sucked big time ass as well..

 

[maildude]

Boise State's future may be a little uncertain:
http://magicvalley.com/sports/colle...cle_ed31ace0-c3c1-11e0-aea2-001cc4c03286.html

 

[PJpenny]

Boise is a little safer than other schools would be because they dont rely on 5 star athletes like the Ohio State and USC schools do. Boise St. has been doing what they do with B talent because theyve had the proper coaches in place to make those B grade players look like A graders. Sanctions wont be as hard them as long as they dont get a bowl ban or the death panalty

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Put the ducks on probation!!!!!!!! Give ohio state the death penalty!!!!!

 

[D-rock]

It makes me wonder if somehow everybody was able to know every wrong thing a school did with it's athletic department or people involved with it how many schools out there wouldn't have did anything wrong.

I'm betting not very many.

 

[Connor Macleod]

There doesn't need to be a playoff. All that is required is to obliterate all conference affiliations.

Everyone is an Indie. Everyone makes his own schedule. Put together an NCAA Football committee made up of ex-coaches and have them serve 3 year terms and all they do is watch football games and decide who the best teams are.

Unless all Conferences are treated the same -- it's a flawed system. The NCAA is a joke and out-of-touch with contemporary college athletics. Force the colleges themselves to "police" their programs. Attach automatic 5 year hiring bans for any head coach fired for running a program that skirted "the rules."

We need actual, real, significant change to fix the system.

Doing away with conferences is a bad idea. The bowl tie-in's are what need to be dropped and a playoff put in place. Obviously, no matter what system ends up being chosen, there's gonna be people who hate it for one reason, or another. IMO, some type of poll/ranking needs to be in place, and at the end of the season, have an 8-team playoff that rotates yearly among the big 4, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange.

As for the rest of the bowls, allowing them to choose teams is obviously a popularity contest. The NCAA should limit the number of lower tier bowls, make them have the same payout, and come up with a better formula of selecting teams.

 

[Bearded_Menace]

All of this bullshit with the NFL lockout made me completely forget that there was a college season coming up this year. I guess it's that time again for an SEC team to bring another trophy home for the sixth year in a row. Damn that came fast.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

Boise St. has been doing what they do with B talent because theyve had the proper coaches in place to make those B grade players look like A graders.

With their sorry ass academic standards, Boise Community College does the same in the classroom

 

[smoknn]

All of this bullshit with the NFL lockout made me completely forget that there was a college season coming up this year. I guess it's that time again for an SEC team to bring another trophy home for the sixth year in a row. Damn that came fast.

ok..before i get called secist bearded started it (im glad you made that call man they would have called me names ) rolllllllllllllll tideeeeeee rollllllllll:wave2:

 

[Basedow]

Saban is still head and shoulders above everyone as clearly the best coach in the country. Would not be surprised even if Bama loses 1 game to see them in the BCS Title game again.

 

[Connor Macleod]

Saban is still head and shoulders above everyone as clearly the best coach in the country. Would not be surprised even if Bama loses 1 game to see them in the BCS Title game again.

In looking at their schedule, barring major upsets, I only see 3 teams that can beat them; Arkansas, LSU and Auburn. I doubt Arkansas will do it
as Ryan Mallett is gone and I read today that Knile Davis is expected to miss the season due to an ankle injury, so only LSU and Auburn are left,
and Bama won't lose both those games.

Bama is probably hoping South Carolina repeats as East champion as SC isn't on their schedule this year and they want to atone for last years nightmarish showing against the Gamecocks.

I'm hoping when Alabama plays Penn State, that Bama slaughters them. Joe Pa should have retired years ago, but it's obvious that he stuck around just to try and break records instead of win championships. He needs 8 wins to break Eddie Robinson's record, and I hope he falls short.

As for the SEC, I read this story about Texas A&M most likely jumping from the Big 12 to the SEC and I am totally against it! Navigating the SEC waters is difficult enough and now Mike Slive wants to add A&M? And be assured, if A&M joins, the SEC will have to add another team to balance out the divisions. I'm hoping all this crap is just a ploy by A&M to get more from the Big 12 and they end up staying where they are.

 

[Jagger69]

As for the SEC, I read this story about Texas A&M most likely jumping from the Big 12 to the SEC and I am totally against it! Navigating the SEC waters is difficult enough and now Mike Slive wants to add A&M? And be assured, if A&M joins, the SEC will have to add another team to balance out the divisions. I'm hoping all this crap is just a ploy by A&M to get more from the Big 12 and they end up staying where they are.

Well....consider this:

Report: Texas A&M considering SEC

By David Ubben
ESPN.com

Texas Gov. Rick Perry says his alma mater, Texas A&M, and the SEC are discussing the Aggies possible future membership in the league, according to a report in the Dallas Morning News.

Perry was asked by reporters from the paper on Wednesday about recent swirling speculation surrounding the move.

"I'll be real honest with you. I just read about it the same time as y'all did. ... As far as I know, conversations are being had. That's frankly all I know. I just refer you to the university and the decision makers over there."

Perry once served as a yell leader for the university, whose president, R. Bowen Loftin, recently acknowledged that there was "uncertainty" regarding the university's future membership in the Big 12.

Texas A&M released this statement to multiple media outlets: "President Loftin is committed to doing what is best for Texas A&M not only now, but also into the future. We continue to have wide-ranging conversations regarding all aspects of the university, including both academics and athletics."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is taking Texas A&M's possible move "very seriously."

"I've been talking to a number of people." Beebe told the Austin American-Statesman. "Obviously, there are a significant number of Aggie supporters who are interested in going in that (SEC) direction.

"There's a huge risk if an institution leaves its geographic proximity and rivalries. In the long run, it can create a lot of problems."

Texas A&M discussed membership in the league last summer with the Big 12's future in doubt, but university leaders chose to remain in the Big 12.

Texas A&M leaders have expressed concern about the Longhorn Network's effect on the longterm stability of the Big 12, and rumors of renewed talks between the university and the conference have persisted in recent weeks.

If the Gov says it, it must be true. :1orglaugh

Actually, the move makes a lot of sense for the Aggies. If they bolt to the SEC, a pretty fair number of Texas recruits who would normally end up going to another SEC school may opt to stay in their home state and go to A & M. Also, since they are UT's principal rival and, as a Longhorn fan, I therefore despise them, my attitude toward them would likely soften if they were to be the only Texas member of the SEC. Hell, could I even go so far as to actually root for them if they were in the SEC??? Wow....that boggles my mind!!!

It would also likely accelerate the ultimate demise of the Big 12(10). If A & M leaves, talk is that BYU would be courted as a replacement. However, there is also a strong possibility that Oklahoma may opt to bolt as well (also for the SEC) after A & M leaves. In that case, I could see Texas going independent rather than stay in a weakened and watered-down remnant of what used to be a powerhouse conference. However, another rumor has the PAC 12 expanding to 14 by bringing in Texas and BYU.

If you are in favor of the creation of super-conferences to help lead the way to some sort of playoff, you'll hope that A & M pulls the trigger and goes to the SEC. Here's how the reformed PAC 14 and SEC might look:

SEC East

Florida
Auburn
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

SEC West

LSU
Alabama
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Texas A & M
Oklahoma

Pac 14 North

Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon St.
California
Stanford
BYU

Pac 14 South

USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Texas

Any other thoughts on this?? I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. Part of me want things to stay status quo but I also love mayhem so....:dunno:

Source is here:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6851396/texas-governor-says-texas-considering-move-sec

 

[Connor Macleod]

Well....consider this:



If the Gov says it, it must be true. :1orglaugh

Actually, the move makes a lot of sense for the Aggies. If they bolt to the SEC, a pretty fair number of Texas recruits who would normally end up going to another SEC school may opt to stay in their home state and go to A & M. Also, since they are UT's principal rival and, as a Longhorn fan, I therefore despise them, my attitude toward them would likely soften if they were to be the only Texas member of the SEC. Hell, could I even go so far as to actually root for them if they were in the SEC??? Wow....that boggles my mind!!!

It would also likely accelerate the ultimate demise of the Big 12(10). If A & M leaves, talk is that BYU would be courted as a replacement. However, there is also a strong possibility that Oklahoma may opt to bolt as well (also for the SEC) after A & M leaves. In that case, I could see Texas going independent rather than stay in a weakened and watered-down remnant of what used to be a powerhouse conference. However, another rumor has the PAC 12 expanding to 14 by bringing in Texas and BYU.

If you are in favor of the creation of super-conferences to help lead the way to some sort of playoff, you'll hope that A & M pulls the trigger and goes to the SEC. Here's how the reformed PAC 14 and SEC might look:

SEC East

Florida
Auburn
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

SEC West

LSU
Alabama
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Texas A & M
Oklahoma

Pac 14 North

Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon St.
California
Stanford
BYU

Pac 14 South

USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Texas

Any other thoughts on this?? I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. Part of me want things to stay status quo but I also love mayhem so....:dunno:

Source is here:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6851396/texas-governor-says-texas-considering-move-sec

One problem I see with your realignment, Alabama & Auburn in different divisions. If the SEC does expand, I don't see Mike Slive separating AL & AU into different divisions. Doing this would free the two of them to not play each other every year. Under the current format, Auburn could put Bama as an every-year opponent, but that would disrupt their annual meeting with Georgia which I believe is longest running annual game in the south. All in all, I don't see that happening. The legendary Keith Jackson once said that the Tiger/Tide rivalry is the most intense in college football, and Mike Slive is not stupid enough to disrupt the annual Iron Bowl.

As for Texas going independent, do you really think they are that stupid? Doing this may look good on paper, but in the long run, it will cause nothing but problems in scheduling, recruiting and other areas, and would eventually erode the team to a shadow of it's former self.

If A&M does leave for the SEC, it may well doom the Big 12, but the most likely scenario would be Texas & Oklahoma heading to the PAC 12.

As for super-conferences, this could lead to a conference having 4 divisions and a playoff among the division winners, North/South winner vs. East/West winner. I suppose that's possible, but I'm not for that idea.

 

[Jagger69]

One problem I see with your realignment, Alabama & Auburn in different divisions. If the SEC does expand, I don't see Mike Slive separating AL & AU into different divisions. Doing this would free the two of them to not play each other every year. Under the current format, Auburn could put Bama as an every-year opponent, but that would disrupt their annual meeting with Georgia which I believe is longest running annual game in the south. All in all, I don't see that happening. The legendary Keith Jackson once said that the Tiger/Tide rivalry is the most intense in college football, and Mike Slive is not stupid enough to disrupt the annual Iron Bowl.

As for Texas going independent, do you really think they are that stupid? Doing this may look good on paper, but in the long run, it will cause nothing but problems in scheduling, recruiting and other areas, and would eventually erode the team to a shadow of it's former self.

If A&M does leave for the SEC, it may well doom the Big 12, but the most likely scenario would be Texas & Oklahoma heading to the PAC 12.

As for super-conferences, this could lead to a conference having 4 divisions and a playoff among the division winners, North/South winner vs. East/West winner. I suppose that's possible, but I'm not for that idea.

Good point about Alabama-Auburn. In that case, either Vanderbilt or Kentucky would have to move to the West. Also, with all due respect to Keith Jackson, I think UT/OU and OSU/Michigan are every bit as intense rivalries as 'Bama/Auburn is. UT/OU could be kept going as non-conference games but your point about the Iron Bowl is well-taken.

Texas "stupid" to go independent? Well, they may have no choice if OU and A & M leave the conference. As I said, it could well spell the end of the Big 12(10) as a BCS conference....indeed, may spell the end of it as a conference altogether....in which case Texas would have no choice unless another conference came calling.

My bet is that either the Big 10 or Pac 12 would claw each other's eyes out to bring Texas into the fold. DFW is the #5 TV market and Houston is #10 so it doesn't take a genius to figure that Texas would be a very hot commodity.

Unlike you, I'm all for anything that will get rid of this ridiculous BCS nonsense and lead to some sort of playoff. Getting divisional winners to play in championship games for the right to represent a conference in a BCS bowl is a big step in that direction.