Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
But we need them, and that strong point in the middle east. The thing is, tactically, the middle east would be essential ground to hold, if shit all hit the fan, on a global scale.
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Mr. Daystar
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/chechen-...oland-over-support-for-ukraine-130655904.html
I just saw this. I guess business is about to pick up. I'm wondering how long before we're fly missions over Europe, like we did during the Serbian conflict NATO was involved in. I also kind of would like to see this douche bag take a snipers round to the melon, just because he's a chest thumping punk, that lives under the delusion that we actually couldn't pull a move like that off.
I just saw this. I guess business is about to pick up. I'm wondering how long before we're fly missions over Europe, like we did during the Serbian conflict NATO was involved in. I also kind of would like to see this douche bag take a snipers round to the melon, just because he's a chest thumping punk, that lives under the delusion that we actually couldn't pull a move like that off.
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
And speaking of our "Allies"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-rejects-us-request-approve-100800114.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-rejects-us-request-approve-100800114.html
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Well that's nice, playing both ends against the middle. How fucked up, after all of the tech, and equipment we've supplied them with.
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
I have to say that if the world was completely upside down and I was King the Israelis might be wondering who to call if they needed help. And it ain't Ghostbusters
I wonder how stringent the restriction on transferring of weapons is. My understanding is that Germany bought the Spikes from Israel, but with some sort of restriction that they couldn't give them to anyone else? What if Germany wanted to transfer the Spikes to a NATO ally?
Moreover, the idea that Israel doesn't want Israeli-made weapons used against Russians is bullshit. When they sold the Spikes to Germany, did they tell them "Oh, but you can't use them against Russians"?
This really raises the question on where Israel would stand if NATO does get involved in Ukraine.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Probably on the sidelines. Israel's support wouldn't be needed if NATO (i.e., the US) became directly involved.
Likely, but as Daystar said, that's would be some shade given all the military support the US has been giving them for decades. If that happens, I wonder if that would affect future support the US sends them.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
The U.S. probably would want that. If they (Israel) starts getting involved, the whole middle east will start to get twitchy, and muslim countries will express anger. The U.S. needs the middle east to just be mellow for awhile, while the deal with Russia and/or China. The more I think about it, I think Israel is the last country the U.S. would want to be involved. I also wonder if the "can't use on Russia" thing, has to do with years of Russian/Jewish heritage. Many Russians fled from the nazi's as we all know. Who knows, it is a possibility, slim, but still a thought. The same thought comes to mind now as well, because threats to Poland have been made, and they were even more embroiled in that horror. It might be a stretch, but Israel's hatred does run deep.
gmase
Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Probably not. Both sides need each other too much. Heck, we got past the Pollard scandal.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-j...nited-states-37bc3324e69faba12aad551a4c1585a4
Sorry for being dense here (it is Sunday and my mind is relaxing), but in what situation would Israel provide military support to the US?
If the conflict is outside of SWANA (that's my word for the day), then they won't get involved for the reasons discussed.
If the conflict is within SWANA, they definitely won't get involved unless they are directly threatened.
I do get that Israel does provide intelligence to the US (famously disclosed by trump), but in terms of actual military support, I'm wondering if there is a situation they would provide it.
If the conflict is outside of SWANA (that's my word for the day), then they won't get involved for the reasons discussed.
If the conflict is within SWANA, they definitely won't get involved unless they are directly threatened.
I do get that Israel does provide intelligence to the US (famously disclosed by trump), but in terms of actual military support, I'm wondering if there is a situation they would provide it.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
double. Sorry
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Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
All they could really do, equipment wise, would be to give us our stuff back, or sell it. I don't know if Israel buys it, or it's part of the billions we give them every year. I think the only thing they produce is a couple of armored vehicles and some of their planes are French. They no longer produce small arms, and even those will be obsolete very soon. Although they will likely be the first ally to get the new rifles, and side arms. I wonder what country is going to buy up all of the old stuff. I bet Mexico, this way their corrupt leaders can sell them off to cartels and gangs.
Speaking of our allies....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/death-arabs-chanted-jerusalem-march-163834320.html
This seems like a vile way to go. I can't believe this would even be a reasonable weapon under any convention, or rule of engagement.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/destroys-bunkers-russia-systematically-uses-141954040.html
Speaking of our allies....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/death-arabs-chanted-jerusalem-march-163834320.html
This seems like a vile way to go. I can't believe this would even be a reasonable weapon under any convention, or rule of engagement.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/destroys-bunkers-russia-systematically-uses-141954040.html
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Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
That was a good article, with a good explanation. I had no idea a couple of the United States bombs fell in that category.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russians-fired-sumy-region-artillery-084536105.html
A company I used to work for, processed parts like this, for a company that was making them for a U.S. military supplier, so I guess we use them too.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-not-send-ukraine-rocket-133005761.html
It seems to me, that NATO forces, or at least the United States, is trying to avoid providing offensive, as opposed to defensive weapons.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russians-fired-sumy-region-artillery-084536105.html
A company I used to work for, processed parts like this, for a company that was making them for a U.S. military supplier, so I guess we use them too.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-not-send-ukraine-rocket-133005761.html
It seems to me, that NATO forces, or at least the United States, is trying to avoid providing offensive, as opposed to defensive weapons.
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Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-scolds-u-over-advanced-075048728.html
This is starting to get a little hairy, if the next move is gonna be to send "advisors", everyone better buckle up, because we did that back in the '60's, and I think everyone knows how that worked out.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-tv-names-country-putin-013530205.html
I'm guessing we might end up jumping over "advisors". to all out troop movement, and airbase set up, somewhere. Maybe England, they seem to be about as far away from the fighting as possible, but close enough to mobilize. I'm also wondering when a carrier group will be moved within range, or another one, if one is close by already.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-reportedly-linked-300-million-135741710.html
I'm not sure who is doing the seizing of these yachts, NATO, or the United States, but what do they plan to do with them all, if this ever ends?
This is starting to get a little hairy, if the next move is gonna be to send "advisors", everyone better buckle up, because we did that back in the '60's, and I think everyone knows how that worked out.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-tv-names-country-putin-013530205.html
I'm guessing we might end up jumping over "advisors". to all out troop movement, and airbase set up, somewhere. Maybe England, they seem to be about as far away from the fighting as possible, but close enough to mobilize. I'm also wondering when a carrier group will be moved within range, or another one, if one is close by already.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-reportedly-linked-300-million-135741710.html
I'm not sure who is doing the seizing of these yachts, NATO, or the United States, but what do they plan to do with them all, if this ever ends?
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As we saw earlier, Israel is using the excuse of not wanting their weapons killing Russians.
While NATO has no issues of their weapons killing Russians, the article does make a distinction when long-range weapons supplied by NATO are used to strike inside Russia itself.
I don't think it's unimaginable that Ukraine would use those weapons to attack military targets within Russia, particularly those which are providing logistical support. We've seen some indication of attacks on the Russian side of the border. Even if they didn't do it, it wouldn't take much to create a false flag operation.
On the other hand, what is Russia gonna do if those weapons are used on Russian soil? Is it realistic to think that they will attack NATO in retaliation?
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Yes, yes it is.
Call me naïve, but I can't see it happening unless Russia inexplicably starts dominating the war.
The west is untouched, they've halted anything in the north/Kyiv & south, and they're barely making any progress in the east despite that being the only active theatre of ops at this time. They're not in any position to open up a second front where they could be attacked via Poland or other NATO countries.
What they could do is spin it into a propaganda piece. Throw in some civilian bodies in among the wreckage despite Ukraine's "assurances". I can feel people's interest starting to wane, and it may not be long before Russia could exploit cracks in public support. Look at the past weeks in the US alone - it was all about Depp and the shootings. The war is no longer "breaking news".
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I just think he's stupid enough to throw a small nuke into the mix, just because he feels really small, and he has more pride, that can fit into his little body. Now mind you, I pray I'm wrong, But the guy just gives off a very freaky vibe.
But now, I won't say your naïve, You are just one of those "glass half full", kind of optimistic people, and you try to see the positive aspect of things. My wife is like that, she's a social worker. It's good to have that around, at least for me. But if he his just puffing out his chest, and everything can be talked out, he's going to need to look like the humanitarian in all of this.
But now, I won't say your naïve, You are just one of those "glass half full", kind of optimistic people, and you try to see the positive aspect of things. My wife is like that, she's a social worker. It's good to have that around, at least for me. But if he his just puffing out his chest, and everything can be talked out, he's going to need to look like the humanitarian in all of this.
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