Turkey to block 'insulting' Web sites

[dick van cock]

I am not writing for to flame the topic but,as you have the right to write everything you want,blames that we didn't do,then I have the right to answer.

These are the blessings of an internet without roadblocks.

 

[member006]

Look this topic came off its aim.Alright we dont agree with blocking net.But some members are talking about Islam and so-called armenian genocide.Someone wrote it Turkey never recognised so-called armenian genocide.And I repeat it.Yes we will never accept it.

I am not writing for to flame the topic but,as you have the right to write everything you want,blames that we didn't do,then I have the right to answer.

So you'd better (moderators) lock this topic.

I'd better? Oh honey I'm having a bad day, don't push it OK?

You want to discuss your point, no flaming? That's fine, again read the rules no flaming allowed here. We can write our opinions with no name calling or threats, just as you can. You can state your case in this forum, not to say all will agree with you though. We all have the right to disagree, rebuttal and debate, but not to call others illiterate or unknowledgeable in any form just because we aren't from Turkey. Like it has been said, if you're here to only argue you need to move on.

I started this thread because I felt your people were being dealt a crappy hand. I also feel that the Internet while universal is nothing that anyone should control, its here for everyone. If you can't calmly address the "genocide" issue with your view while also allowing others their views. Go back to the site you came from.

Thank you for your time.

LL

 

[georges]

I don't think that this is about the topic.You can ask your own questions,which are not about the topic,using the private message system

Why are you afraid to answer? Do you have something to hide?

 

[BNF]

Then tell me what is US doing here, bringing democracy or leting people kill each other so they can control oil fields freely? US brought war to Irag without any reason, except oil.

Ok, lets say we recognised armenian genocide. I want to ask you something, what you think about the genocide going on in Iraq? US say we bring democracy to Irag and kill/torture people, even children, in the name democracy(or should I say oil?) And the biggest genocide world ever seen, has happened in europen soil in WW2???? People always forget what they did but always remember what you did.

Fine, but this thread, and EU membership has very little to do with the US, so I see no real relevancy.

And, I would still answer you that even if people do forget the holocaust, and there are deniers and those that choose to not remember, you still have all of the official players and victims officially admitting that it occured. Not to mention the continuation of repayment, even today, by German firms. Admission of the event is only the first step, and Turkey hasn't even done that...

Look this topic came off its aim.Alright we dont agree with blocking net.But some members are talking about Islam and so-called armenian genocide.Someone wrote it Turkey never recognised so-called armenian genocide.And I repeat it.Yes we will never accept it.

I am not writing for to flame the topic but,as you have the right to write everything you want,blames that we didn't do,then I have the right to answer.

So you'd better (moderators) lock this topic.

There you go again... There are plenty of mods watching this thread. It has remaining astonishingly flame free considering the opposite viewpoints.

I do agree again with you, that the topic has strayed from the original post.

However, the topic did lead to potential EU membership and, therefore, the issues brought up do seem valid in that light.

 

[malafat]

Turkey about a topic more. This:
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=20386

 

[member006]

Turkey about a topic more. This:
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=20386

Old news links from 2004? Banned members comments. I have no interest, sorry.

 

[pitino]

Turkey about a topic more. This:
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=20386

not in this topic's subject

 

[poggy]

My sole comments on this are simple.

I don't live in Turkey and never will. So I'm not bothered if they ban the whole internet. If they tried it in Britain then I might start to comment on it.

As for Turkey getting into the EU. I'll either be too old to care by then or dead. As it won't happen in the next 25 years. Not uless they change one hell of a lot.

 

[HeartBroker]

Restrict the populus to the world around them.

Sound familiar??

 

[The Captain]

Restrict the populus to the world around them.

Sound familiar??

Yep. Sad that no one learns from history.

 

[Dean Wormer]

I like turkey. I eat it on Thanksgiving and Christmas.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Do not talk as we want a membership from EU..That's what PM Erdogan doing.Do not forget We are Children of Ottoman Empire.We ruled the world.And thats what going to be again.And you must remember it better than us.Because you feeled our swords in your ass for 600 years.So of course you cant ever forget that.

In this case this is too normal that you dont want to see us in EU.And yes Turkish Society too.We don't need you.But you need us.

Yes you did rule part of the world at one time but then you became known as "the sick man of Europe".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_man_of_Europe

 

[hhhaaarrrddd!!!]

by the way, i think you will find that the huge majority of people from turkey, out of turkey, say, in germany, are kurds, they are the ones who start the fights and riots or whatever u mentioned, it has nothing to do with turkish people

and it wasnt a genocide, millions didnt die, they just want everyone to believe it, they have a massive inferioty complex

 

[Roughneck]

The real issue isn't: "Was it a genocide or not".
The real issue is that It is a crime to talk about it.

The real issues isn't: "Policies of Turkish leaders sound, moral and fair - true or false"?
The real issue is that: "It is a crime to say false"

In other words: "It is a crime to hold an opinion which goes against established norms. You can and will be persecuted for your opinions".

The difference is not so subtle and I'm not surprised some of you folks don't get it.

"It's harder to recognise a pattern when you are a part of it".


What Turkey does is the business of the Turkish people. I don't approve of government sanction and control - but I am neither Turkish nor do I live in Turkey; so it is not my problem.

cheers,

 

[cabey]

Kurtadam:nono:

 

[Roughneck]

A Turkish court has ruled that a controversial conference on the mass killing of Armenians living under the Ottoman Empire should be suspended.

The conference of academics and intellectuals was to offer a critical look at the official approach to the events of 1915.

Armenians want the killings classified as genocide, but Turkey refuses, pointing to casualties on both sides.

It is the second time the conference has been called off.

The cancellation comes just 10 days before Turkey is due to begin accession talks for membership of the European Union.

Taboo

This was no ordinary academic conference. The delegates were set to discuss the fate of the Ottoman Armenians 90 years ago, one of the most sensitive subjects in Turkey.

The first attempt to stage the debate, in May, was abandoned after Turkey's Justice Minister accused organisers of stabbing Turkey in the back.

This time a group of nationalist lawyers petitioned a court at the last minute and once again the conference is off.

The alleged massacre of more than one million Armenians in 1915 has long been a taboo subject in Turkey.

It was illegal even to discuss the issue until a very recent reform inspired by Turkey's bid for membership of the European Union.

Full story

So up untill "recently", it was illegal to discuss the genocide.
And the 'change of heart' didn't come across because of moral remorse... but to score "brownie points" before admission into a clube!

And I am warning you Poufneck

I am quaking in my boots!

For the record - I've always said that the Turkish attitude preventing free speech about Armenian Genocide is no different from some European nations preventing free speech about Holocaust denial and revisionism.


It is easy to "protect free speech" when you agree with it. But the test of a free society comes in protecting speech, thought and expression of even the most crude and vulgar nature.... and especially the ones you disagree with it.

cheers,

 

[member006]

It is really clear that you don't know anything about Turkey.We are not Sweden nor France.İt has never been crime to talk about genocide or not.İf it is so,Armenians who live here would be killed

But in Sweden and France,both of them are so-called the cradle of the civilization,it is crime to refuse the so-called armenian genocide.And they are talking about the civil liberty,is this your civil liberty?

And I am warning you Poufneck,if you dont know anything,do not talk then

You are flaming, that is not allowed. As I said before you can discuss the issue, voice your side(opinion) and your comparison of facts to another's view try to make your point. Nobody is obligated to agree though, you must live with that fact and "threats" are a BIG no no. You don't come in here warning people. You need to back up sir, or leave the thread.

LL

 

[dick van cock]

You can read the full story about so-called armenian genocide by clicking here

... and you can read the full story about Elvis being alive here:

http://www.elvislives.net/

 

[Roughneck]

You can read the so-called armenian genocide by clicking here

So could someone tell me that why do they reject to open their archives?

1. Using a webiste like "armenian-genocide-lie.com" to prove your case is like revisionists using IHR to prove that a holocaust never took place.
2. You're already off to a bad start if you are using Justin McCarthy to support your arguments - a man whose arguments have been answered time and again by Prof. Peter Balakian. You'd have better luck using David Irving.
3. Again, you are missing my argument. I'm not arguing FOR or AGAINST the veracity of the Armenian Genocide. I'm not saying "Those who say the Armenian Genocide never took place must go to jail" etc.

I'm saying: "Untill recently, it was illegal in Turkey to discuss the Armenian Genocide".

I don't have a problem with people who doubt the veracity of historical claims - that is how research proceeds.

I DO have a MAJOR problem with government censorship of events - just because it doesn't sit popularly with their version of events (hence why I quoted the "anti Holocaust denial" laws of some European countries).

And you MuchachaLove,can you please not meddle?It is being my job,until moderators (I think this site has no admin) doing their job.

The admin on this site are some of the most tolerant that I know of. The very fact that you are still able to post on this website proves it - despite your multiple disparaging and dismissive comments.

cheers,

 

[member006]

You can read the full story about so-called armenian genocide by clicking here

So could someone tell me that why do they reject to open their archives?


And you MuchachaLove,can you please not meddle?It is being my job to warn users,until moderators (I think this site has no admin) doing their job.

Meddle? lmao Moi? I will say what I please. Its not your job to warn us of anything sir.

I started this thread, it has been derailed. I can have it closed if I want to at anytime if I choose. Don't even pretend to tell me what to do in here. You want a mod? I can go get one. :thumbsup:

Just a note, this has nothing to do with Turkey or its polices. Its about you. You are being nasty and stepping in here and trying to threaten people and take over. Its not going to happen, we have rules.

LL