Ok no problem.
Just so you know my info is not from TV:hatsoff: but from personal experience.Oh and no need to apologise your English is good.
Turkey to block 'insulting' Web sites
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Ok no problem.
Just so you know my info is not from TV:hatsoff: but from personal experience.Oh and no need to apologise your English is good.
member006
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Then I suppose you know nothing of any country other than Turkey? I doubt that. I come here daily listening to others that aren't Americans talk of my country, not being from somewhere doesn't make one unknowledgeable. Nobody is saying bad of your country. Only that I don't believe any country has the right to control the Internet. That is the topic, as cabey stated.
Like cabey I am interested in how you feel about what is about to happen in your country as well. If you can answer calmly about the topic. While it is odd you joined to post in this thread, let me be the firstWelcome to FreeOnes.
LL
The reason under the opinion of joining to EU from the view of Turkish parliament is to minimize the power of Turkish military!Does anybody agree with me?
Philbert
Banned
No, I don't really...
I hear things like "freedom", and "don't have an opinion".
And if you have an opinion, why say anything if you feel as you do?
Human history isn't based on specifics, but on general human reactions to similar situations...fear, desire, love, hate, ego, etc. The specifics are what create those most basic of human reactions
Applying these common attributes to a situation is how we form opinions about things we have a distant knowledge of, hopefully with an eye to the actual facts we can glean.
Turkey has a great deal of European history and involvement, and this makes EU membership a strong possibility
Turkey has a great deal of history and involvement with the eastern Islamic culture, which makes it difficult and unlikely that EU membership will be a reality anytime soon.
Acts like the recent decision to ban critisism of leaders past and present highlight the schism.
We all wish for a better world than the one we live in, and our opinions will take us where we want to go; we vote for leaders and ideals that fit those opinions, imperfect though they may be.
As an American, I find the more specific critisisms of the non Americans a bit uninformed and sometimes childishly naive; as well, several more general opinions these same people express I find quite insightful and ultimately on the money.
Same for our discussion of Turkey...we are all hopefully learning from our discussion, and that's why I bother to participate.
I hear things like "freedom", and "don't have an opinion".
And if you have an opinion, why say anything if you feel as you do?
Human history isn't based on specifics, but on general human reactions to similar situations...fear, desire, love, hate, ego, etc. The specifics are what create those most basic of human reactions
Applying these common attributes to a situation is how we form opinions about things we have a distant knowledge of, hopefully with an eye to the actual facts we can glean.
Turkey has a great deal of European history and involvement, and this makes EU membership a strong possibility
Turkey has a great deal of history and involvement with the eastern Islamic culture, which makes it difficult and unlikely that EU membership will be a reality anytime soon.
Acts like the recent decision to ban critisism of leaders past and present highlight the schism.
We all wish for a better world than the one we live in, and our opinions will take us where we want to go; we vote for leaders and ideals that fit those opinions, imperfect though they may be.
As an American, I find the more specific critisisms of the non Americans a bit uninformed and sometimes childishly naive; as well, several more general opinions these same people express I find quite insightful and ultimately on the money.
Same for our discussion of Turkey...we are all hopefully learning from our discussion, and that's why I bother to participate.
BNF
Ex-SuperMod
Of course,it doesnt make any sense to you.Because you are not capable to understand
That's a pointless post and it's also flaming. Please re-read the rules and consider this your public warning.
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Regarding you other post, one page back: you're really stretching your credibility by pulling out one example of 3 individuals and making a conclusion about a nation. You could do that 100, 1000 times and still not "prove" anything.
I still say, step off of a plane between Istanbul and .... Rome or Berlin (ok, not BerlinDoner
) and everything about the fundamental differences is clear. It's a broad statement because the things that make up a culture are broad. Turkey is just simply not Europe in any sense.
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BNF
Ex-SuperMod
Really? Do you want to start telling me how to do my job in this thread? Not only will it bore the rest of the board to tears, but I don't think that it will end well.
Please stay on topic.
BNF
Ex-SuperMod
Well, thank you for helping me make (one) of my points. I'm not picking on you, but your post is exactly the type of viewpoint that I saw and heard in Turkey - as well as what I see and hear largely in Europe.
Europe doesn't see Turkey as Europe(ans) and Turkey doesn't see itself as Europe(ans).
yeah... that was a joke. I don't want to explain comedy again. I know, I'm just not funny. I think that there's a cultural wall here. makes me think of lost in translation, which makes me think of scarlett johansen which brings me back to indecency... haha. see? what I say is always relevent or maybe it's relative. :hatsoff:
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Ex-SuperMod
Yes, you're right.
The point was originally that:
Turkey's parliament wants to, at least will even vote, on a resolution to block websites that are deemed insulting to the founder of Turkey.
Turkey's courts have already temporarily blocked access to YouTube.
Turkish authorities want to further have bans on sites that question Turkish unity or the Turkish system.
It is already illegal to talk of breaking up the state or insult the founder, who is to be seen in the avatar above me.
So..... how does all of this make a case for EU membership, disregarding other points made in the thread?
The point was originally that:
Turkey's parliament wants to, at least will even vote, on a resolution to block websites that are deemed insulting to the founder of Turkey.
Turkey's courts have already temporarily blocked access to YouTube.
Turkish authorities want to further have bans on sites that question Turkish unity or the Turkish system.
It is already illegal to talk of breaking up the state or insult the founder, who is to be seen in the avatar above me.
So..... how does all of this make a case for EU membership, disregarding other points made in the thread?
I'm curious Kurtadam. How did you find this site?
Hi from Turkey
It's so funny but i found this site from a "turkish porn forum"
yes we have some problems ,freedom of speech and some other things but when you treat turkey you should also look to history
we have a huge difference when you compare to our neighbours like iran iraq syria in all ways
We have been trying to be European for 200 years and we have came a long way
thanks to Kemal Ataturk we have democracy, freedom, westernised country since 1923
If our topic is cyprus most of them dont know the truth or look just from the greek side
most of cypriot Turks killed in cyprus just because of fanatical greek EOKA government and Turkey has every right to conquer north part of cyprus
It's so funny but i found this site from a "turkish porn forum"
yes we have some problems ,freedom of speech and some other things but when you treat turkey you should also look to history
we have a huge difference when you compare to our neighbours like iran iraq syria in all ways
We have been trying to be European for 200 years and we have came a long way
thanks to Kemal Ataturk we have democracy, freedom, westernised country since 1923
If our topic is cyprus most of them dont know the truth or look just from the greek side
most of cypriot Turks killed in cyprus just because of fanatical greek EOKA government and Turkey has every right to conquer north part of cyprus
member006
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:wave: Bye
Oh my, this did turn into a eclectic little discussion didn't it. I don't believe for one minute that these people "happened" upon this thread. While I'm no "Einstein" by any means, common sense often is a persons best weapon. For my money, these are more than likely exsiting, called upon friends or banned members. Really though, my "give a damn" is still broken so I don't really care.
If the new members feel someone has said something against them, for that I'm sorry. That wasn't the intention. As I said though in my other post, I am forever coming in here with others speaking out about my country and I live with it to a point. I proudly live in a free country so I'm used to it. Accepting and showing all others the right to speak too. Had anyone openly stated your country sucked or anything of the sort I could see your bitterness. However that didn't take place.
I started this thread because I felt that nobody or their leaders should have control of the Internet. Not even on a small scale. The thought of it angered me, for your people and for everyone in the world. The net has opened doors all over the world for our countries to interact, learn and benefit from each other. I never thought I would have a friend from the UK, Germany, Sweden (who by the way is a top notch Political debater), and many other countries. I don't and never will be able to travel. I have learned a lot over the years from my little circle of friends though. I take offense to the statements that "nobody" here knows anything of your country. Many here are very smart and also have traveled to many places. Most members from other countries know more than I do about U.S. Politics :dunno: It is not my forte by any means. Politics is a very complicated issue and was not the intention of this thread. I do realize that the politics is the banning process, but wasn't my question per sey.
We must all be understanding that with our diverse membership here things snowball sometimes, it happens. That everyone has their own feeling on their countries policy and placement in this world. To have a good discussion is a stimulating, good thing. Often even if not admitted each party learns something from the other. To talk harsh, tell people they know nothing of what they speak is nothing short of absurd.
Now, to the next poster, do you think anyone has the RIGHT to control the Internet? Other than the regulations needed to protect our children.
LL
Oh my, this did turn into a eclectic little discussion didn't it.
I don't believe for one minute that these people "happened" upon this thread. While I'm no "Einstein" by any means, common sense often is a persons best weapon. For my money, these are more than likely exsiting, called upon friends or banned members. Really though, my "give a damn" is still broken so I don't really care. If the new members feel someone has said something against them, for that I'm sorry. That wasn't the intention. As I said though in my other post, I am forever coming in here with others speaking out about my country and I live with it to a point. I proudly live in a free country so I'm used to it. Accepting and showing all others the right to speak too. Had anyone openly stated your country sucked or anything of the sort I could see your bitterness. However that didn't take place.
I started this thread because I felt that nobody or their leaders should have control of the Internet. Not even on a small scale. The thought of it angered me, for your people and for everyone in the world. The net has opened doors all over the world for our countries to interact, learn and benefit from each other. I never thought I would have a friend from the UK, Germany, Sweden (who by the way is a top notch Political debater), and many other countries. I don't and never will be able to travel. I have learned a lot over the years from my little circle of friends though. I take offense to the statements that "nobody" here knows anything of your country. Many here are very smart and also have traveled to many places. Most members from other countries know more than I do about U.S. Politics :dunno: It is not my forte by any means. Politics is a very complicated issue and was not the intention of this thread. I do realize that the politics is the banning process, but wasn't my question per sey.
We must all be understanding that with our diverse membership here things snowball sometimes, it happens. That everyone has their own feeling on their countries policy and placement in this world. To have a good discussion is a stimulating, good thing. Often even if not admitted each party learns something from the other. To talk harsh, tell people they know nothing of what they speak is nothing short of absurd.
Now, to the next poster, do you think anyone has the RIGHT to control the Internet? Other than the regulations needed to protect our children.
LL
i have a question for you
what about terrorist groups that use internet
taliban al qaida or sth like that if they provoke people against US UK europe, would you still say that "nobody has right to control internet"
if bin laden put a video on youtube and say that " kill all americans they are evil" US government wont do anything to block that?
member006
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I think measures to stop terrorists should be handled the way that they are handled. I don't know what they would do in a case like that, what measures would be taken. I do know how I feel. Once again I don't like the idea of any country "blocking" the net. We can split hairs forever, but that fact will remain. I also see it as a "good" tool to learn from others and interact with our neighbors. Like everything it has its ugly side too, but that's life. We must accept the bad with the good, I for one am not willing to give up my "good" for trickles of bad. I also believe nobody should be asked to.
Let me ask this in return. Do you really think removing a stupid vid from a place like youtube would hinder terrorists? I think not, a vid like that would be but a little speck in the efforts of those type people. That's like saying, "remove all those prostitutes from 5th and Eucalyptus now" and then stating that action will stop the prostitution. Come on lets be real.
I hope I answered your question.
LL
Bloody hell - it's all kicked off on here since i last checked the thread
To clarify, for the benefit of our new Turkish friends, i have referred ro Constantinople on this thread, but only in a historical context to indicate the extent to which Greek culture was important in what is now Turkey - i know it's Istanbul now
funny, i guess, to see that the influx of new members from a certain country appear to have come via a "turkish porn forum" - i won't be a hyprocrite though, i found this board through porn too
as has been said by other members, i also welcome new opinions we haven't had before - but i think the new guys from Turkey should try to relax and not take things too personally - there are plenty of disagreements on this forum
( i know plenty of folks disagree with me )
To clarify, for the benefit of our new Turkish friends, i have referred ro Constantinople on this thread, but only in a historical context to indicate the extent to which Greek culture was important in what is now Turkey - i know it's Istanbul now
funny, i guess, to see that the influx of new members from a certain country appear to have come via a "turkish porn forum" - i won't be a hyprocrite though, i found this board through porn too
as has been said by other members, i also welcome new opinions we haven't had before - but i think the new guys from Turkey should try to relax and not take things too personally - there are plenty of disagreements on this forum
( i know plenty of folks disagree with me
)
member006
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I am sorry but....This is NOT a political forum. Please only address the Internet portion of the thread. Thank you.
LL
