Turkey to block 'insulting' Web sites

[The Captain]

I think this thread is going to become quite heated.

 

[member006]

I think this thread is going to become quite heated.

Going to? I think it has reached the maximum temp that its going to. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but people joining to start trouble intentionally I'm sure will be stopped dead in its tracks. This is not a flaming forum, nor a political forum per sey for argument and attack. They need to go to one of those.

LL

 

[The Captain]

Going to? I think it has reached the maximum temp that its going to. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but people joining to start trouble intentionally I'm sure will be stopped dead in its tracks. This is not a flaming forum, nor a political forum per sey for argument and attack. They need to go to one of those.

LL

By heated I meant as hot as a super nova.

 

[georges]

I'm calm, there is nothing to be angry about anyway. I heard my friends are talking about this topic, so I read it and wrote an answer, that's it. And you are right, I don't have enough knowledge about my country either(real knowledge needs hard work). What I said is for all, not only for the ones who spoke against my country...

İf you insist then I say, I'm against it too. If you call it freedom, you don't have the right to say 'how'. As you see, there are many things disgussed here out of this topic, like genocide. These are blindfold thoughts and are not necessary. I hope you get my point...

We are not politicians but there is a fact that can't be denied which is that Turkey never recognised the armenian genocide. Your country's police still use torture, so is this a good thing? There were enough valuable and valid reasons why people didn't and don't want see Turkey entering in the EU. Perhaps you should learn to accept that the others are right when they are majority of people saying the same things.

 

[dick van cock]

what you think about the genocide going on in Iraq? US say we bring democracy to Irag and kill/torture people, even children, in the name democracy(or should I say oil?)

Please confirm a dictionary of your choice and check the meaning of the word "genocide".

 

[The Captain]

This is exactly what is going on in Irag, a genocide...

Its a Sectarian Civil War. Not Genocide.

 

[blakey]

Definately not a genocide going on in Iraq - a monumental fuck-up yes, but totally different to a recognised genocide like holocaust, rwanda or cambodia

 

[The Captain]

Then tell me what is US doing here, bringing democracy or leting people kill each other so they can control oil fields freely? US brought war to Irag without any reason, except oil.

Oil which Iraq will sell to the rest of the world also, including you, not just to the U.S. Plus we deposed a evil dictator guilty of crimes against his own people. And the majority of the Iraqis are quite happy with their new found freedoms and Democracy. That part of the operation was a complete success. Whats fucking everything up is the Civil War that's been raging within Islam itself for god knows how many centuries. That's where we fucked up royally because the Powers That Be, failed to plan for this, or take it as a serious consideration, and launched this operation with forces that were ill-equipped to handle the aftermath which should have been planned for.

 

[calpoon]

actually he's got a point.. have you read the official document that was created by the guy that coined the term "genocide" and what it actually consists of? there's about five things that qualify as genocide, and many of them occur(ing) aren't often publically recognized as such.

"...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

 

[dick van cock]

actually he's got a point.. have you read the official document that was created by the guy that coined the term "genocide" and what it actually consists of? there's about five things that qualify as genocide, and many of them occur(ing) aren't often publically recognized as such.

The guy is Jewish scholar Ralph Lemkin. He wrote in 1944: (highlights by me)

Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.

Compare the highlighted segment to events in Iraq. Genocide?

 

[NuCLeaR_TeST]

Compare the highlighted segment to events in Iraq. Genocide?

If it's not genocide ; then investigate a little and compare the highlighted segment to events in Turkiye....If the events in Iraq are not genocide , then , the events in Turkiye with Armenians are not genocide , too....

Please read a little about history and learn the truths

 

[calpoon]

well since this is about censorship, and yes, I know primarily the net, but that seems more important to me than youtube, and I think it's relevent so I'll talk about it.

which genocide in europe are you refering to clouddog? there have been several. if you mean the holocaust, I don't think that anyone is forgetting that. In fact, just yesterday I brought it up. It's only in countries like Iran that they seem to want to forget that.

according to wikipedia it says that one of the conditions for the US agreeing to the terms of genocide was that they couldn't be prosecuted for it without thier own consent. I don't know if that's true or not. any varification?

This time I'm not gonna US bash, the history is all there for anyone to read and I suggest you make up your own mind. I just wanted to post that list so that people would know what it is and then be able to decide how they felt about it.

 

[dick van cock]

If it's not genocide ; then investigate a little and compare the highlighted segment to events in Turkiye....If the events in Iraq are not genocide , then , the events in Turkiye with Armenians are not genocide , too....

Please read a little about history and learn the truths

 

[georges]

actually he's got a point.. have you read the official document that was created by the guy that coined the term "genocide" and what it actually consists of? there's about five things that qualify as genocide, and many of them occur(ing) aren't often publically recognized as such.

"...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Killing members of Al Quaeda isn't a terrorist act. What kind of harm are causing US soldiers in Iraq???? I don't consider the accusation concerning the genocide in Iraq as valid.

 

[calpoon]

eh. I don't want to debate this because it calls into question pretty much everyone and I don't want to present the case of who has or hasn't commited genocide cuz it could be a long list... I'm just saying that I think some of the conditions are generally overlooked when it comes to what people think of as genocide.

 

[NuCLeaR_TeST]

This thread is not about genocides , right...So I don't want to post more replies....If anyone wanna talk about the subject of genocides , open a new thread and we discuss that on there....

 

[cabey]

There must be dupicate accounts here, its a bit suspect that every time i check on this thread there is a brand new Turk posting:ban2:

 

[calpoon]

This thread is not about genocides , right...So I don't want to post more replies....If anyone wanna talk about the subject of genocides , open a new thread and we discuss that on there....

well generally most topics are either a simple yes or no answer, which is not very good for discussion. So people have a tendency to dicuss other things that are brought to mind or have to do with the general idea. In other words, the topic is "Turkey blocking websites" but the underlying idea is "how do you feel about censorship? and what should or shouldn't be censored?" which may have to do with other things besides the internet and turkey specifically. and the threadstarter outlined that too by talking about other related events, so I don't think that it's off topic.

 

[member006]

There must be dupicate accounts here, its a bit suspect that every time i check on this thread there is a brand new Turk posting:ban2:

I agree, I think it needs to be checked. :2 cents:

 

[blakey]

I agree, I think it needs to be checked. :2 cents:

it is a bit suspicious - but there was that previous reference to the turkish forum - perhaps a link to this discussion has been posted on a turkish message board and it has interested the readers enough for some of them to join
:dunno: