The I Told You So Obama Will Fuck Up Thread

[LBP 76]

^^^don equis' post #97

Well I couldn't agree with you more with your 'you all need to stop worshipping candidates' point.
Obama is a politician. That alone should cause distrust.
Make him earn your trust people. Don't just give it to him because you want to give it to someone.
He talks a good game...definitely. But games are won on the field, not in the locker room. And he hasen't taken the field yet.

 

[Sherlock_Holmes]

^ I could not agree more. Very surprised with the remarks as well. People really need think about what their saying. Either way tonight was historic and I had a pleasure watching it unfold.

Add me to that list.

 

[Facetious]

It's so sad to see republicans get so violently negative. Not so much on this thread, but elsewhere on the internet. They need to get over it. Conservatism is dead, The Republican party is in shambles and conservative voices have been reduced to whispers.

If you republicans truly want this country and ALL of it's citizens to prosper then you will put aside your prejudices and get behind our new President. If you refuse to do so, than you are nothing more than a divisive virus that does nothing but sicken the good people of this country.

Life in America doesn't have to be a zero sum game. We can all work together and support each other in order to better our lives. Don't waste your time over the next four years trying to keep that from happening. Don't waste it trying to tear a great man down just because you lost. That wouldn't be good for any of us, including you.

Obama will probably make mistakes. All presidents do. His popularity will most likely drop as it does for all presidents. But it is in all our best interests that he does well, makes intelligent decisions and always looks out for the best interests of the people, not corporations. If he does that then he deserves our respect, even if he makes a few mistakes along the way.

We have a real leader now. This is our chance, as a country, to do something historic. Our chance to make our lives better and reclaim our standing as the top country in the world. So let's get behind our President elect, Barack Obama, and make a change for the better.

Seriously - Much of this type of material is in the communmist manifesto !:dunno:
So, who turned you on to the ideology of mandatory egalitarianism ?

:sing: "No dark sarcasm in the classroom . .
:Chorus: HEY TEACHERS !! LEAVE THEM KIDS ALONE ! Ole in ole, it's just a
nuther brick in the woll :sing:

 

[Facetious]

Why is Europe so damned unenlightened already !

:looks all directions for a black Primer Minister: :tongue:


It's the content of their character, ABOVE ALL . . . Dammit !

 

[bodie54]

So true. The strategy is to demoralize the masses. it's ever so clearly articulated in the communist manifesto . . . demoralize demoralize demoralize.

:dunno:

Did the tens of thousands at his victory celebration look demoralized to you?

Because to me (and this my 12th presidential election) they appeared more hopeful, focused, and genuinely moved than any victory celebration crowd I've previously witnessed.

And in other locales, there were 63 million more just like them.

The past six years; now those have been demoralizing. Hopefully this is the first step back from that uneasy precipice.

 

[Member2019]

Okay ...

Ummm, now is also the time to stop demonizing Republicans, Republican supporters, etc... That gets really old, and it's now changed with the Elects.

Most Republicans I've talked to have spoken very favorably about the election results, even if they did not end as they wished. They have no complaints about what happened, other than their disagreements with the Obama platform as proposed.

Let's move forward. I mean, the "How could XX,XXX,XXX Americans be so stupid?" type and related headlines on the 2004 election results were about as low as you can go. I've yet to see that type of non-sense out of any Republicans in this election.

I.e., so far, I've seen a lot less McCain "sore losers" than I saw Kerry "sore losers" 4 years ago after the results came in (especially in the media). So please don't go demonizing Republican supporters. Sure, some don't have class. But I could easily show a lot out of the 2004 election.

In any case, they are more the exception than the rule. This election is something just to move forward on, not try to continue the rhetoric afterwards.

 

[Galactic]

Delicious, hot, buttery food.

PLEASE tell me they are pancakes?



God I love pancakes.....:nanner:

 

[zaxxon]

Well you happy people that voted for Obama, make sure it last because as soon as he starts fucking shit up, I will be there to tell you I told you so, don't want to hear your bitchin and get over it you got what you deserve. (A ranting/piss off independent).

I can't imagine a worse President than George W Bush. That man fucked up everything he encountered: The decision to invade Iraq, Katrina, the economy.. Every single time the man had to make a decision he fucked up.

I don't think we will ever have a worse President than W.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Um...black...you do understand how the electoral college works right? If a state's popular vote splits 60/40 then the candidate who got 60% gets 100% of the ELECTORAL votes. That is hardly representative of the true sentiments of all voters. In essence, it says that the minority popular vote in any given state does not count. To truly determine a "landslide" you need to compare the popular vote.

52% of Americans cast a vote for Mr. Obama. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23887017
To be sure, a decisive victory, but hardly a "landslide." Just making sure we separate the fact out of emotional rhetoric.

As of right now, according to CNN, the electoral votes are as follows...

Obama - 338
McCain - 163

Obama has twice as many electoral votes as McCain does. How is that not a landslide victory? Obama is set to have one of the largest margins of victory in US history.

I wouldn't focus so much on popular vote vs. electoral vote...

If an NFL football team won each of their 16 regular season games by only 1 point each, the scores wouldn't tell you that they were a dominating team. Yet, their record (16-0) would indicate otherwise. A win by 1 point is still a win. A win by 1 vote is still a win. Obama won a lot more than McCain.

:2 cents:

PLEASE tell me they are pancakes?



God I love pancakes.....:nanner:

Nope, no pancakes.











CHOCOLATE pancakes!!! :nanner:

 

[Donkey Boy]

As of right now, according to CNN, the electoral votes are as follows...

Obama - 338
McCain - 163

Obama has twice as many electoral votes as McCain does. How is that not a landslide victory? Obama is set to have one of the largest margins of victory in US history.

I wouldn't focus so much on popular vote vs. electoral vote...

I will concede that Obama won by 66% of the electoral vote (using the #'s you posted) if you concede that he had 52% of the popular vote and the electoral vote is not representative of overall voter sentiment because of the way electoral votes are "awarded" in the "winner takes ALL" format.

Again, my stand is that the electoral vote IS NOT representative of the true voting sentiments of the US voting public because of that one issue.

If they divided the electoral college votes in a ratio with popular vote I would have less issue because then it would mean each voters opinion actually did count. The same issue was a heartburn for Dems in 2000; so does that mean when things go their way they lose their integrity to change things that they believed wrong at the time?

And again, I readily admit it would not have changed the outcome of this election and most likely would have changed the outcome of past elections (GWB v. Gore). Unfortunately it's how we tally votes in this country and it invalidates some voters opinions.

2/3 of the electoral college votes went to him even though a little over 1/2 of US citizens actually voted for him.

It's semantics really. He won either way. America has come a long way.

Now can we get back to the "Which she-male would you let DP you" threads?

 

[Dean Henneberg]

Now can we get back to the "Which she-male would you let DP you" threads?

Noooooooo! Anything but that! :eek::rofl:

 

[AFA]

CNN has it at

Obama 349
McCain 163

Still 26 votes out there. Obama got IN and it's out on NC and MO. It will probably end

Obama with NC for 364
McCain with MO for 174

 

[ChefChiTown]

I will concede that Obama won by 66% of the electoral vote (using the #'s you posted) if you concede that he had 52% of the popular vote and the electoral vote is not representative of overall voter sentiment because of the way electoral votes are "awarded" in the "winner takes ALL" format.

At this moment, CNN reports...

Obama

349 electoral votes
63,112,170 popular votes
52% popular votes

McCain

163 electoral votes
55,867,073 popular votes
46% popular votes

Yes, I will "concede" that Obama has 52% of the popular vote. I will "concede" that the electoral vote isn't representative of "overall voter sentiment". I will also make it a point to say that the popular vote isn't representative of "overall voter sentiment" either. If the US Presidency was decided by popular vote and popular vote alone, it wouldn't be an accurate representation of what "everybody" wants.

Different states tend to have different voting trends. It's hard to pin-point exactly why each state has different trends, as it differs from state to state and year to year.

Barack Obama is from Chicago. Chicago is in Illinois. People in Illinois will have more pull towards Obama, as he is the "home town" candidate. Currently, Illinois has reported a little over 5 Million votes (97% reported). According to the popular vote, most voters in Illinois voted for Obama (3,166,564 - 61%) and only a few voted for McCain (1,954,351 - 38%).

Now, let's look at Texas for a moment, a state with a much, much larger population. Texan's were more geared to vote for McCain (for whatever reasons), which is shown in the polls. Currently, Texas has reported around 8 Million votes (99% reported). According to the popular vote, most voters in Texas voted for McCain (4,464,083 - 55%) and not as many voted for Obama (3,518,100 - 44%).

In Illinois, Barack Obama won the popular vote with 3,166,564 votes.
In Texas, Barack Obama lost the popular vote with 3,518,100 votes.

He won in Illinois with less votes than what he received in Texas, which is a state he lost.

That is because different states have different populations. Different states also have different voting trends, which I stated earlier. It wouldn't be fair or an accurate representation of what "everybody" wanted, if we based our Presidential election on just the popular vote. If a candidate won the state of New York with a 51% popular vote, that would equal more total popular votes than if that candidate won the state of Rhode Island with a 51% popular vote. Why? Because the population differs all over the country.

This is exactly why the electoral vote is needed (even though I don't 100% agree with it).

If they divided the electoral college votes in a ratio with popular vote I would have less issue because then it would mean each voters opinion actually did count.

The amount electoral votes that a state gets is based on it's population, which would tie it in with the popular vote to a certain degree. Sure, it's not perfect and it's not going to make everybody happy, but it works fairly well.

 

[Donkey Boy]

The amount electoral votes that a state gets is based on it's population, which would tie it in with the popular vote to a certain degree. Sure, it's not perfect and it's not going to make everybody happy, but it works fairly well.

I will give you that to some degree. I just think a system like this (using easy numbers) would be most representative:

State Y has 50 electoral votes.

Candidate A takes 65% of the popular vote with 65,000 voters.

Candidate B takes 35% of the popular vote with 35,000 voters.

A better solution IMHO would be do divide the electoral votes by the same percentage so Candidate A gets 32.5 electoral votes, and Candidate B gets 17.5.

Candidate A still "wins" that state and the electoral votes are tallied with those of other states to determine the overall winner by total electoral votes. Essentially then a ratio of the popular vote determines the winner. This would have changed the outcome of the Bush v. Gore election and we may not be in this situation our country is in. Gore supporters, interestingly enough, did not think the electoral system worked "fairly well" because it would have changed the overall outcome of the vote. I agreed (and voted for Bush). In this election it wouldn't have changed the outcome and I still think a change is needed.

Population determines the number of electoral votes but my issue is that those votes are not divvied up in relation to that populations voting sentiment.

Your argument about an individual state's popular vote is somewhat valid, but I think if you look at total national popular vote the electoral college takes a lot more away from voter input than it gives.

Currently Candidate A is awarded all 100% of the 50 electoral votes even though voter sentiment in that state has 35% of its citizens voting for another person. In essence, those 35% have effectively had their overall vote invalidated nationally and only counted regionally.

In the end, a national state average of 52% of Americans chose Barack Obama...he would have received 279.76 electoral votes and still declared the winner. McCain would have received 252.86..I guess Bob Barr got the other 5.38...musta been the Mr. Rogers sweater. This is far more representative of the overall national choice for President.

Again, all just MHO. That's one of the things that is great about this country...we can disagree, bitch at each other, and then still beat off to the same chick on the internet.

:glugglug:

 

[Red Spyder]

I for one welcome our new democrat overlord and I would just like to remind him that as a trusted rightwing personality I can be useful in rounding up others to toil in his underground sugar mines. :rofl:

Yes, Obama won, it sucks, but I'm not going to cry about it. I'm going to be mature about it and not even say anything about stolen elections, I have no evidence for that so I'll say he won fair and square. I'm an optimist, that's why I'm a Republican. Without Jimmy Carter we would have never had Ronald Reagan. Four years from now I'll be saying "without Barak Obama we would have never had [insert name in four years]"

But anyway, the biggest loser last night was not the Republicans, was not McCain or Palin, it was Hilary Clinton. Good bye Hilarly 2012 which, admit it, had Obama lost even Stevie Wonder could have seen that coming from a mile away. She'd probably be filing for her candidacy today.

Question now is, those of you who voted for him, if things don't improve and four years from now we see unemployment skyrocketing, inflation showing up, gas prices over $4 a gallon, your electric bill twice as high as you're paying now, and a major attack against the U.S., will you come to your senses and vote him out? I'm not holding my breath.

I said it once and I'll say it again, Democracy doesn't work!! :rofl: Enough Simpsons quotes. Okay, if you now excuse me, hi-ho hi-ho it's off to the "reeducation" camp I go. I think my bunkmate is going to be Joe the Plumber! At least it wasn't Rush Limbaugh, he seems like he's a loud snorer.

 

[Dean Henneberg]

CNN has it at

Obama 349
McCain 163

Still 26 votes out there. Obama got IN and it's out on NC and MO. It will probably end

Obama with NC for 364
McCain with MO for 174

Who got Alaska?

 

[meesterperfect]

:dunno:

Did the tens of thousands at his victory celebration look demoralized to you?

Because to me (and this my 12th presidential election) they appeared more hopeful, focused, and genuinely moved than any victory celebration crowd I've previously witnessed.

And in other locales, there were 63 million more just like them.

The past six years; now those have been demoralizing. Hopefully this is the first step back from that uneasy precipice.

Actually bodie they looked mostly like people who never moved out of their parents house held a job or paid a dime in federal tax.
reminded me of that scene from Armeggedon when those naive fools got blown up on the roof of thast building.

The majority has spoken.
Now we wait to see just what these changes will be.

 

[BlueBalls]

Wait!!!!?????



What happened?

 

[NavyBlue]

Question now is, those of you who voted for him, if things don't improve and four years from now we see unemployment skyrocketing, inflation showing up, gas prices over $4 a gallon, your electric bill twice as high as you're paying now, and a major attack against the U.S., will you come to your senses and vote him out? I'm not holding my breath.

Ask yourself if it's W running for reelection against Obama this year, would you have voted for W given all that bad things in your post had happened during his administration? I think you will since you are a diehard GOP. I am going to give Obama 4 years to move this country to the right direction. He's not God and cannot undo 8 years of Bush's failed policies in this short period of time but if he can set us on the right course to economy recovery I am all for giving him another term to finish what he had started.

 

[AFA]

Who got Alaska?

McCain and Palin took Alaska and McCain's homestate of AZ

Obama likewise took his birthplace, Hawaii and his home state of IL