Tear down Confederate War Memorials

[Straight Shooter]

You guys really can't help yourself, can you?

Knock off the personal attacks. Its really not that hard.

Time has past for warnings. Enforce the law. Start handing out infractions and bans

 

[Jagger69]

Time has past for warnings. Enforce the law. Start handing out infractions and bans

Yes. I thought racism wasn't tolerated here. If it is then I would beg to ask what isn't. ???

 

[xfire]

Time has past for warnings. Enforce the law. Start handing out infractions and bans

That's the smartest post of the day.

 

[FreeOnes_Adam]

Time has past for warnings. Enforce the law. Start handing out infractions and bans

Becareful what you wish for.

 

[xfire]

Becareful what you wish for.

Why? I don't anticipate anything actually being done, and if bans start happening it begs the question, "Why now?" I took some months away from the board earlier this year, my choice, because of how bad things have gotten, but just looking back on the posts that were made during my absence confirms that I'M not the problem.

 

[FreeOnes_Adam]

Why? I don't anticipate anything actually being done, and if bans start happening it begs the question, "Why now?" I took some months away from the board earlier this year, my choice, because of how bad things have gotten, but just looking back on the posts that were made during my absence confirms that I'M not the problem.

Because we expect you guys to act like grown ups. You've all said you were over 18 when you joined, do we really need to give time-outs because people can't stop calling each other names? Does it really have to come to that? Honestly, how old are we?

Frankly, I'm tired of the drama. So yes, if I see it after all the warnings and all the leeway and all the wiggle room we give you guys, then have fun on your vacations. When the big boy pants come back on, then you're welcome back.

Still, I mean why do we even need to go through this? Why is this even a discussion? Name calling.. seriously, guys.

 

[xfire]

Oh, I know, it's ridiculous, but I'm all for rule enforcement even while knowing I'm guilty of giving it back.

 

[Luxman]

Every town should be allowed to vote on what statues they keep or erect on their land.
Let the majority decide if statues stay or go, democratic rule.

 

[Johan]

 

[sean miguel]

Every town should be allowed to vote on what statues they keep or erect on their land.
Let the majority decide if statues stay or go, democratic rule.

That. Or how about relocating these off of public property and having private donors pay for their relocation and upkeep? You know, rather than mobs just tearing them down, which last I checked, is illegal.

 

[288gto]

didn't some black people burn the american flag? i mean they already hate the traitors rag, but they burned the american flag too, so you care and give your ass to be loved from someone who ahtes you? hmmm...

 

[sean miguel]

Seattle's mayor calls for the removal of the Lenin statue in Seattle as well as a Confederate memorial at a local cemetery.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19884/seattle-mayor-wants-confederate-statue-and-lenin-hank-berrien

Don't agree with that.

 

[sean miguel]

Oh, I know, it's ridiculous, but I'm all for rule enforcement even while knowing I'm guilty of giving it back.

lol @ giving it back. So the edict has come down - enough is enough. Then whats with the garbage that is still continuing from this guy and his texas compadre? And by garbage I mean the ad hominems that are still being posted, not that I think you're white trash or anything. Because that would be personal.

 

[Johan]

Seattle's mayor calls for the removal of the Lenin statue in Seattle as well as a Confederate memorial at a local cemetery.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19884/seattle-mayor-wants-confederate-statue-and-lenin-hank-berrien

Don't agree with that.

Perfect.
Wether they were from outside or from inside, enemies of the US shouldn't be celebrated.

I'm not against keeping memorials to confederate soldiers who died during the war in souther state : we're talking about local boys who probably weren't that informed about what they were fighting for.
But no in states that weren't in the confederacy : no Seattle resident died fighting for the Confederation. And no memorials to the generals and the leaders of the Confederation : these guys knew exactly what they were fighting for, they knew they were traitors.

 

[sean miguel]

Perfect.
Wether they were from outside or from inside, enemies of the US shouldn't be celebrated.

I'm not against keeping memorials to confederate soldiers who died during the war in souther state : we're talking about local boys who probably weren't that informed about what they were fighting for.
But no in states that weren't in the confederacy : no Seattle resident died fighting for the Confederation. And no memorials to the generals and the leaders of the Confederation : these guys knew exactly what they were fighting for, they knew they were traitors.

Both of those monuments are on private property.

Regardless, like President Trump said, where does this end?

President Franklin D. Roosevelt interned Japanese Americans in prison camps solely because of their heritage. This was done 77 years after the end of the Civil War. Should the U.S. Treasury Department recall all dimes from circulation?

 

[Johan]

didn't some black people burn the american flag? i mean they already hate the traitors rag, but they burned the american flag too, so you care and give your ass to be loved from someone who ahtes you? hmmm...

Yes, a bunch of black folks burned the american flag.
Do I support that ? Hell no.
Do they represent all black foks ? The same way racist in KKK robes represent all white folks.

 

[xfire]

Cheap, Mass Produced Confederate Monuments Erected Decades After Civil War To Justify Jim Crow Laws

https://qz.com/1054062/statues-of-c...outh-were-cheaply-mass-produced-in-the-north/

It didn’t take protesters much effort to topple a century-old Confederate statue at a rally in Durham, North Carolina, on Aug. 14. One protester climbed atop its stone plinth, inscribed with “In memory of the boys who wore gray,” and tied a rope around the statue of the Confederate soldier—a symbol of the slave-owning South from the US Civil War. Then, with a good pull, the crowd, gathered in solidarity with the anti-racist demonstrators who clashed with white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend, sent the towering effigy crashing hard to the ground.

Many Americans view these monuments as symbols of ongoing tolerance for white supremacy, and they’re still extremely common throughout the southeastern US. A recent study by the Southern Poverty Law Center tallied at least 1,500 (pdf) symbols of the Confederacy in public spaces, concentrated largely in states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia.

The reasons there are so many of these statues, and why they’re so easily toppled, are one and the same: Many of them were mass-produced in northern foundries and shoddily installed across the American South.

A large share of Confederate statues are of nameless, generic soldiers, like the one the protesters took down in Durham. Towns erected them in the early 20th century, decades after the Civil War, because their Confederate mythologies helped to justify Jim Crow laws in the South that oppressed black citizens, Taber Andrew Bain, a librarian at Virginia Commonwealth University, pointed out on Twitter.

The statues are often called the “Silent Sentinel,” “Single Soldier,” or something similar, and depict a regular soldier in Confederate uniform staring solemnly into the distance, at ease, with feet spread—a stance called “parade rest,” according to art historian Lola Arellano-Fryer, who wrote about the statues for Hyperallergic. The statutes proliferated specifically because they were cheap.

To sculpt a statue in marble would have been time-consuming and prohibitively expensive for small towns in the early 1900s. But northern foundries that worked in cast bronze or zinc could churn them out quickly and sell them at much lower costs.

One of the leading manufacturers was the Monumental Bronze Company of Bridgeport, Connecticut, which specialized in a cast zinc it called “white bronze” (a light gray or pale blue color). In 2015, the Associated Press dug into the company’s history: It sold life-size statues for just $450 and larger eight-and-a-half foot versions for $750. Commissioning marble or granite statues, meanwhile, would have cost tens of thousands of dollars.

“It’s like going to Wal-Mart,” Timothy S. Sedore, who wrote An Illustrated Guide to Virginia’s Confederate Monuments, told the news wire. “It’s less expensive.”

Sarah Beetham, an art historian at the University of Delaware and an expert on soldier monuments, explained to the AP that as many as half of these citizen-solider statues were in the “Silent Sentinel” style. Southern citizens felt personally connected to them; they commemorated all Confederate soldiers, including their family members who may have fought for the Confederacy.

Because these mass-produced statues were put up on the cheap, they may not have been firmly anchored to their pedestals, making them easy to pull down. That makes them an attractive target for protesters who want to see them, and all they represent, removed.

 

[sean miguel]

Is that all you got? Really? What tune will you be singing when the Nazis come for you, animus?

oh nos! the nazis. it's 2000 fucking 17 ffs.

 

[Jagger69]

lol @ giving it back. So the edict has come down - enough is enough. Then whats with the garbage that is still continuing from this guy and his texas compadre? And by garbage I mean the ad hominems that are still being posted, not that I think you're white trash or anything. Because that would be personal.

Is that all you got? Really? What tune will you be singing when the Nazis come for you, animus?

 

[Jagger69]

Here are some quotes to ponder from our POTUS from his campaign (not that he has ever stopped campaigning mind you). Someone needs to tell him the election is over and he won.

I don't think these were aimed at suburban housewives either....