I agree drock. In that way they can't use those traitors as martyrs. The good and bad of history should be remembered but said traitors should never be celebrated and made into idols (ironic for the religious CONservative right). So disturbing how many admire those who fought against this country yet bark patriotism and have the nerve to claim to know what this country needs. Especially the Nazi part of the maga cult who function and think exactly like the CONfederates.
Tear down Confederate War Memorials
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gmase
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(Pardon me dropping this here. Jefferson was not a Confederate, but the concept is comparable.)
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/19/1047...-statue-removal-new-york-city-council-chamber
After 100 years, TJ’s statue is being removed from a NYC council chamber. Where this leads in regards to other Jefferson monuments will be interesting.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/19/1047...-statue-removal-new-york-city-council-chamber
After 100 years, TJ’s statue is being removed from a NYC council chamber. Where this leads in regards to other Jefferson monuments will be interesting.
John_8581
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Thomas Jefferson may have been a slaveowner, but he granted freedom to all his slaves. Plus he wanted all men to be created equal, that included Black, White, etc.
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Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
They renamed a middle school in a town near me for that exact reason. It was Thomas Jefferson Jr. high School since I was a boy and now is named after the late John Lewis. Not a bad name choice but still.
It's going to be hard to cancel TJ.
They're lucky that the $2 bill isn't that popular, but demolishing the Jefferson Memorial or scraping his face off Rushmore is going to be difficult.
Where is going to stop though? If owning slaves is the criteria, 41 of the 56 people who signed the Declaration of Independence owned slaves, so....
They're lucky that the $2 bill isn't that popular, but demolishing the Jefferson Memorial or scraping his face off Rushmore is going to be difficult.
Where is going to stop though? If owning slaves is the criteria, 41 of the 56 people who signed the Declaration of Independence owned slaves, so....
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Considering building Rushmore in the first place was a bad idea, I wouldn't care if they got rid of it. The mountain never deserved to be defaced.
Maybe instead of making excuses for those 41 of the 56 people that were signatories of the Declaration of Independence we should recognize they were very terribly flawed people and not idolize them or engage in hero worship over them like the American populace has generally done for centuries. They never deserved it in the first place.
In fact I'm not a big fan of monuments to people in general, and if I think we do have them they should be reserved to the absolute very best people in our history, like Fred Rodgers, Martin Luther King Jr, or Herriet Tubman, and not piece of shit politicians, military personal, athletes, or actors like we do now.
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
Everybody is flawed in some manner or another. The problem today is folks want you to forgive their flaws and then condemn everyone else I assume back to the beginning of time.
gmase
On the dark side of the moon
The final Confederate monument on public land in Richmond was taken down this morning. Visitors will now have to go elsewhere to pay their respects to General A.P. Hill. The statue is heading to the Black History Museum and Cultural Center of Virginia.
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-...ove-its-last-public-confederate-monument/amp/
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-...ove-its-last-public-confederate-monument/amp/
gmase
On the dark side of the moon
West Point is removing a portrait and a bust of Robert Lee - along with some plaques which contain Confederate symbols and depict a Ku Klux Klansman in full costume.
What took them so long to get rid of the KKK symbols? That group has been out of favor for decades.
What took them so long to get rid of the KKK symbols? That group has been out of favor for decades.
TBF it was a piece of a larger work. If the plaque itself is significant, it probably wasn't as easy as cutting the icon out, or even sanding it down.
Anything that could be easily isolated/removed, like an individual portrait, statue etc, that should have been removed, & think for anything regarding the KKK they did so.
gmase
On the dark side of the moon
Yes, that is the fair response. They could have put a pastie over it?
For sure. They could have easily put some black electrical tape over it or something. I guess the problem with that is that curious people would want to see what's under it, and you'd have a "Streisand Effect" with more attention being brought to it.Yes, that is the fair response. They could have put a pastie over it?
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