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Oh and by the way, while this has no relevance at all to what I'm saying, I just thought I'd point it out:

you know calpoon, you and the rest of the "idealists" really irritate me. name one instance where the evil military has taken away any of your rights.

World War 2. Japanese-American citizens. Would you like articles?
 

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I will simply say this and there is NO tone. I know what my country is made of and who is responsible, I know the right of "freedom of speech" as well as all other rights and opportunities we are so lucky to have. I also know I don't argue politics in depth because I am not educated enough in the intricate details of overseas policy etc. So I don't tend to step in or voice in areas I don't know. I however in no way answer anything in the light of or the style of georges or Fox. My answers with these type issues are always simple to the point and based mostly on common sense. Most importantly though, they are MY opinion only.

I also know (here's the important part) that the right to "freedom of speech" is afforded all of us and when I do post I do and will as everyone else does say what I feel. A page or so back I posted the starters post link again and commented on the fact that this thread is off topic. Trying to help. Since everyone continued to make it personal with each other, I voiced on what I think of whiners in this country. Reading some of it just gets old. I won't sit back and listen to my country being trashed. It is definitely in need of a lot of corrections, but baby in my way of thinking its still the best game in town.

The issue that started all this is one based on a matter of having pride, accepting responsibility and representing. If someone can't do that, they need to step down, or not take the spot to start with. Freedom of speech, press or a hangnail has nothing to do with "Representing" and responsibility that comes with it. Nor does burning a flag or any number of off topic things discussed have anything to do with the original topic of this thread.

IMHO only of course.

LL:angels:

Disclaimer: OK, so this long ass post does look like Foxes lol, the contents are not even close. Sorry so long winded. :glugglug:
 
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well, with all respect LL I think that it kind of does have to do with it. maybe it's not exactly a commentary on the specific incident, but it's more like a spark that invokes these feelings that people have- ideas about patriotism, rights, military policy they are all the underlying issues of the article, and after all isn't the point to have a disccusion rather than just a simple "yes" or No"?
 
Do try to direct your comments as someone. Statements general enough to be applied to anyone not directly supporting your view (and mildly insulting at that) are extremely annoying. For example, I have a thing or two to say about your last post if you're talking to me (and if you're not, those you are talking about might).

And for the record, I don't think we've strayed from the topic very much. It certainly ties in with responsibilities to and representing your country, which I believe was the original issue. There's only so much that can be said about someone posting for Playboy, might as well talk about something that there is something to be said about.

Edit: And just to stay clear of the most obvious irony, that was for LadyLove.
 

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Do try to direct your comments as someone. Statements general enough to be applied to anyone not directly supporting your view (and mildly insulting at that) are extremely annoying. For example, I have a thing or two to say about your last post if you're talking to me (and if you're not, those you are talking about might).

And for the record, I don't think we've strayed from the topic very much. It certainly ties in with responsibilities to and representing your country, which I believe was the original issue. There's only so much that can be said about someone posting for Playboy, might as well talk about something that there is something to be said about.

Edit: And just to stay clear of the most obvious irony, that was for LadyLove.

I wasn't mentioned in your post was I? My post was not to anyone in particular nor was it insulting to you or anyone.

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Calling people whiners and complainers without even addressing the point at hand is what I consider "mildly insulting".

Insulting a country where the person has been welcomed and given the citizenship is what I find insulting.
 
Insulting a country where the person has been welcomed and given the citizenship is what I find insulting.

Apart from the fact that you don't even know what country I'm from, where I live or, for that matter, anything about my relation to any country, a country is still a non-living entity. If the country I have mentioned thus far (which is to say a purely theoretical one) feels insulted, then you can tell it to come find me and we'll talk. If you feel insulted by my comments about the nature of the concept of nationalism and can't tell apart a personal attack from what could at worst be described as an attack on a philosophical theory, then, quite frankly, you have issues far beyond the scope of this discussion.
 
how about the fact that it's against the law to do anything to live unless you work for someone else.
DO explain - new thread if need be....


cheers,
 

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Thank god I don't live in the Nazi world that revokes citizenship or status for freedom of speech.

"If you don't like it, leave." How can you stand by the flag and say that, any of you? How can you claim to have an ounce of "American values" in your veins? Have you confused the word American with the word Apathy? This country and EVERY other was founded on good people who refused to be apathetic and wanted to make things better. I want to make things better. Say what you like, but if YOU want a place free of so called whiners, then YOU leave, because in North Korea and Iran, they don't like whiners, so you'll be RIGHT AT HOME, meanwhile we can be free to whine, in the land of the "free". Fuck patriotism. It only ever caused division and death. Fuck patriotism, to any nation. I am patriotic to no nation but the world, and I am supportive of no terrorists, be them Arab or American.

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You need to back that truck up Fox. Don't even pretend to state I have no American values. I am the one that made that statement. Me being an American gives me the right whilst holding tight to my values to tell you or anyone I please my thoughts on the issue. You seem to think that telling me I'm wrong, telling everyone they are wrong in all threads, telling me I have no values and all your blah blah blah manifesto shit is your right. Yet we are wrong and shouldn't have said this and that? Where are our rights?

Look Sybil, pick a country, pick a stand and then voice. I can't believe you sometimes, you just stated for me to leave if I didn't like it, but that I had no right to say it. The things I want to say right now are making my head burst, its not worth a ban though.

"If you don't like it, you have the "right" to leave." sound better? I thought "You're "FREE" to leave ."worked too. Want me to post it in several languages?

I'm done in this thread. All the rest of you can continue and good luck to all.:hatsoff:

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Which of those three things am I being accused of, Georges? Approving terrorism (by not supporting Bush and the US military uncompromisingly?), or hatemongering (by complaining about their illegal actions?), or criminal activities (free speech = crime?)?

If supporting terrorism is grounds for removal of citizenship then all in favor of the war in Iraq should have their own US citizenship revoked, that would leave a much more peaceful country and we could vote the terrorists out of power in OUR country - a country which gave me citizenship and does not give anyone a "free" education by the way, but which also gave a lot of families around the world corpses, lost limbs, and puppet dictators controlled by Washington.

Thank god I don't live in the Nazi world that revokes citizenship or status for freedom of speech.

"If you don't like it, leave." How can you stand by the flag and say that, any of you? How can you claim to have an ounce of "American values" in your veins? Have you confused the word American with the word Apathy? This country and EVERY other was founded on good people who refused to be apathetic and wanted to make things better. I want to make things better. Say what you like, but if YOU want a place free of so called whiners, then YOU leave, because in North Korea and Iran, they don't like whiners, so you'll be RIGHT AT HOME, meanwhile we can be free to whine, in the land of the "free". Fuck patriotism. It only ever caused division and death. Fuck patriotism, to any nation. I am patriotic to no nation but the world, and I am supportive of no terrorists, be them Arab or American.

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Did I ever mention or target you in what I was posting? No, not at all. I was talking in general not about you. None forces you to like Bush or not.

Because supporting terrorism shouldn't be a reason to be withdrawn of citizenship???? When one supports and give funds to terrorists he has to be judged in a court, sentenced and withdrawn from his citizenship. Perhaps according to your utopian vision of the world all is pink and everyone is nice. You got it wrong again and again. The country that has welcomed you give you a chance to succed after that it is your tun to make the difference and prove you are the best.

Nazi World? Pardon me. I think the concept of discipline is what you totally lack and if asking discipline and respecting rules is too much asked for you, you will be reminded that there are rules to respect in more strict way. That has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It has to do with the ability to live in society and respecting others and not to be like Brino or/and softie Nightfly who thought they could behave how they wanted and got their ass spanked of the board.

When I am talking about criminal activities it regroups money launderers, rapist murderers, radical zealot terrorist, arsonists, trash scum and gangs. Just because one makes something illegal that it should be taken as a good example or something to be praised when it is full of shit (example Michael the Fucking Fat Pig Moore with his shitty movies and scummy lies who is as bad as Pat Robertson). People who are born in a country understand the basic notion of sense of duty, "to serve and to protect" is what you read on every cops car in USA. Perhaps surrendering is a solution? No, not at all. You can't be patriotic to no nation, it is clearly impossible unless you hate your country.

Just my two cents

regards

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i dont mean to step on your toes LL, but i want to take this a step further. i hate exploiters. especially those who use america and the freedoms that we have and wont give back.

no i am not. im talking about exploitation of the constitution.

I hope you yourself had clarified your point, iamforever.

I feel comfortable talking back to you. And this time I agree to disagree with you. :hatsoff:

Thanks
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If it's the US ...

Hasn't this thread gone way off topic :confused:
Does it ever stay "on-topic"? ;)
I've just learned to make 1 or 2 sets of statements, and let them be.
 
Personally, I think MICHELLE MANHART is one of the most beautiful women on the planet. So...I'm bummin'. I don't have SIRIUS radio and I found out she's going to be on Channel 198 of PLAYBOY RADIO on SIRIUS, tomorrow (Thursday, Jan. 24th) from 8:30am -10:00am PST.

From what I understand, you can call Michelle on the show. Which is great! Since I will be at work and don't have Playboy radio....will somebody please please please....call Michelle and ask her (or somebody) that we want to see more of her in PLAYBOY ~

So...if you're a fan like me...here is YOUR chance to say it on air...the more calls they get in for Michelle...the better for all of us. Right?

If anybody gets in, please come back here and tell us how it went.
 
I love the 3 pics at the contest she's in...especially the pic in which she's look back at you. It's not naughty but very sexy. God, she is gorgeous
 

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