bottom line is that trillions of dollars were given to the federal reserve (that link you sent only shows billions) by the US treasury to bailout banks and corporations which just increased the US national debt rapidly and Obama clearly stated he wanted the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan very fast and if he were elected that would be one of his priorities but here we are over 2 years later and the our troops overseas are increasing, so when is the timetable for their withdrawal, I can bet that Barrys' 1st term will be over and our troops overseas will have increased and I would also wager that if this puppet gets elected for a second term that the troop increases will continue but hopefully he will not be re-elected
Obama's Speech Tonight
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well said, we have to worry about scary men in caves getting us so we must let the TSA stick its hands down our pants and naked body scan us with radiation BUT all four directions of the US borders are WIDE OPEN, because no terrorist will get into the US via foot or boat, terrorist only attack by plane
Jane Burgess
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He didn't need a teleprompter because he hand wrote his speeches. After he gave the "I have a Dream" speech he handed the speech to George Raveling who used to be a college basketball coach at USC and other places. Is it safe to assume that he probably glanced down at his speech while he gave it?
Would it surprise you to learn that George Dubya Bush was the most vacationed president ever? Do you remember ever hearing about Crawford, Texas? It was that place that Dubya "vacationed" at pretty much all the time and for the entire month of August. They had a fancy podium with the presidential crest. Of course, Dubya no longer lives/resides in Crawford. That was just his image-makers wanting him to be "folksy" and "working on the farm" and "driving the pickup truck with sweat on his brow"....all those phony images that conservatives lapped up....
Moving on:
If Obama is not supposed to give a speech after a tragedy like this one, what else is he supposed to do? Seriously. A president has ceremonial duties. Is it okay if he meets representatives from other nations or is that a waste of our tax dollars and nothing but wine/cheese partying? People from other nations probably don't view ceremony and vacation like middle America does. Other nations actually care about taking vacations. Our companies have brainwashed Americans into thinking "Gee, I'm only worth 2 miserable weeks, but if I work hard, maybe someday I can get 4 weeks off."
A president doesn't have absolute power you know. Maybe Obama would be more effective if the Republicraps didn't say NO to everything and openly challenge his leadership at every turn. How's that bipartisanship? Obama was elected by a VAST MAJORITY to do the changes he campaigned on. A bitter, weak minority shouldn't have the power in our Gov't to halt all change.
But, turnabout is fair play. All those "grand visions" of turning back whatever meager accomplishments Obama has on his scorecard will be met by NOs from Democrats and the Republicans can have their moment of awakening. Stalling America's economic progress is actually a win for Republicans because they already are rich. They don't want to do anything that could help out those who are less fortunate. A weak, ineffective Gov't is basically a rhetorical ploy to get the middle class to hate gov't and keep quiet.
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George Bush also worked on a lot of those vacations, they were "working vacations". He held press conferences while in Texas and Camp David. Unlike Obama who asks the press to leave him alone while on "vacation" and does not hold press conferences while on these so called vacations.
I'm not sure where you're getting your facts but as far as the $800B Stimulus package, the link I provided shows exactly where the money was allocated. The bailouts were self evident.
With respect to bringing troops home. Obama has ALWAYS (ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS) said from day one he would end the deployment of troops in Iraq as he believe the entire excursion was a diversion and a mistake. He has NEVER ONCE (I defy you to produce one syllable that says otherwise) said he would bring troops home from Afghanistan as he's consistently said he would INCREASE troops there because he believed that's where AQ operated out of at the behest of the Taliban regime. The vid clip you provide is a lie and mislabeled. It says something along the lines of Obama bringing troops home from Afghanistan but he doesn't say anything like that in the video because the poster of it obviously and creatively edited out the relevant statements that would clearly show he was talking about Iraq.
Try again M/R.:crying:
how about we use our troops to secure our own borders and yes the US is going into serious depression, how many of those troops would be needed to secure the southern border I wonder
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
oh yeah but the democrats who supported it were tricked.
didn't you hear?
and then when they realized they were tricked they used it to regain political control.
as their leader teddy kennedy said, " the torture chambers are still open in iraq, just under different management".
they almost did it in 2004, but they needed more time to train the people plus their candidate sucked.
anyway, i'm a conservative but not too blind to see that both parties suck and don't have the best interest in mind for the people, only themselves as individuals and as a group.
they stick together.
now if only more people would see it as i do we would actually havea chance for change for the better, or worse, but at least a chance.
George Bush and Barry Soetoro = puppets controlled by same interests plain and simple
I should try again?, "the bailouts were self evident" oooook I arrest my case, I will type no more
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Katrina hit while Dubya was on vacation. In fact many bad things happened while Dubya was on vacation. I could look up some more but he took the whole month off and was down there in Crawford, clearing away that brush and drinking iced teas.
Obama goes back home after "legislative victories" (we don't need to argue if they were good/bad/irrelevant victories) spends actual time with his family...and somehow that's bad. :dunno: I think he deserves some slack over vacations.
How many vacations did George Washington take? Is it fair to say that the office of the president has become more intense today than it was back in 1776? It took awhile for documents and decisions to be transmitted by horse and buggy back in those days.
There wasn't even a way to get to Hawaii from the U.S. mainland back in 1776. Good luck paddling that far :wave2:
Katrina hit while Dubya was on vacation. In fact many bad things happened while Dubya was on vacation. I could look up some more but he took the whole month off and was down there in Crawford, clearing away that brush and drinking iced teas.
Obama goes back home after "legislative victories" (we don't need to argue if they were good/bad/irrelevant victories) spends actual time with his family...and somehow that's bad. :dunno: I think he deserves some slack over vacations.
How many vacations did George Washington take? Is it fair to say that the office of the president has become more intense today than it was back in 1776? It took awhile for documents and decisions to be transmitted by horse and buggy back in those days.
There wasn't even a way to get to Hawaii from the U.S. mainland back in 1776. Good luck paddling that far :wave2:
Smart choice. :2 cents:
By the by...just in case you're interested...the bank bailouts weren't authored under Obama but GWB (Obama did vote for it though)...re: self evident bailouts under Obama; they went to GM and Chrysler. What more specific breakdown do you need from that? Which department within those companies got what amount of money??
And Colin Powell comes out and says he spent 2½ hours vainly trying to persuade President George W Bush not to invade Iraq and believes today’s conflict cannot be resolved by US forces.
“I tried to avoid this war,” Powell said at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado. “I took him through the consequences of going into an Arab country and becoming the occupiers.”
Good to see he was a principled man and resigned his post then when George Bush made up his mind........what he didn't
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2042072.ece
Are you willing to pay them to do something they're not trained to do? It's kinda hot out there in the desert. No water...no infrastructure....no nothing, really...
Are you willing to vote in favor of spending $1 trillion to build giant fences all over America? There's plenty of timber for the Canadian fence but not much out there in the desert for that desert fence....
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Katrina hit while Dubya was on vacation. In fact many bad things happened while Dubya was on vacation. I could look up some more but he took the whole month off and was down there in Crawford, clearing away that brush and drinking iced teas.
Obama goes back home after "legislative victories" (we don't need to argue if they were good/bad/irrelevant victories) spends actual time with his family...and somehow that's bad. :dunno: I think he deserves some slack over vacations.
How many vacations did George Washington take? Is it fair to say that the office of the president has become more intense today than it was back in 1776? It took awhile for documents and decisions to be transmitted by horse and buggy back in those days.
There wasn't even a way to get to Hawaii from the U.S. mainland back in 1776. Good luck paddling that far :wave2:
t/r you know along with every other common sense being that no POTUS is on vacation even when they are on vacation.
Why even address nonsense? Like, what is he going to do in a national emergency....not answer his batphone???
I'm going to go ahead and say that Arizona and Texas would agree to raising taxes or slashing police/fire depts to build a fence but New Mexico and California will not. Neither will Washington and Minnesota. There's not a lot of people in Montana. Hopefully the undocumented won't find Montana on a map.
It can be difficult to give states authority to make major policy, huh? What if they use that authority to do something you don't like that can still affect you even if you live elsewhere?
It can be difficult to give states authority to make major policy, huh? What if they use that authority to do something you don't like that can still affect you even if you live elsewhere?
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Stop it everyone....just fucking stop it.
I started this thread in an effort to promote national unity in a time of great shared national tragedy and all you partisans have hijacked it and turned it into yet another "your side sucks" thread. There are already a million of those on this forum so please go argue your incessant finger-pointing divisive self-righteous bullshit on one of them please.
Man we are so fucked....:crying:
I started this thread in an effort to promote national unity in a time of great shared national tragedy and all you partisans have hijacked it and turned it into yet another "your side sucks" thread. There are already a million of those on this forum so please go argue your incessant finger-pointing divisive self-righteous bullshit on one of them please.
Man we are so fucked....
:crying:ummm many soldiers are trained for combat, I'm sure they would not have much of a problem securing the US borders bro, and the government handed over trillions to offshore banks so why not spend some money to build secure borders
Stop it everyone....just fucking stop it.
I started this thread in an effort to promote national unity in a time of great shared national tragedy and all you partisans have hijacked it and turned it into yet another "your side sucks" thread. There are already a million of those on this forum so please go argue your incessant finger-pointing divisive self-righteous bullshit on one of them please.
Man we are so fucked....
I apologize Jagger I will type no more on this thread
Stop it everyone....just fucking stop it.
I started this thread in an effort to promote national unity in a time of great shared national tragedy and all you partisans have hijacked it and turned it into yet another "your side sucks" thread. There are already a million of those on this forum so please go argue your incessant finger-pointing divisive self-righteous bullshit on one of them please.
Man we are so fucked....
True. But Jag you aren't naive. You know how this starts....You say something like you said in your OP. Then invariably you'll have those without a shred of a fact come to this thread and start parading nonsensical untruths based on what they feel about the guy. And it's so blatantly easy to refute that people who know the truth are just not going to sit back and allow the tripe to stand.
I mean, sad but true.:dunno:
I don't blame you.:2 cents:
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