Obama seeks landslide but McCain predicts upset
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I think it's an example of McCain and the Republican's out-of-touch"ness" where they are STILL dragging out the "Obama is a Liberal" line. Someone tell the Pubs that the word "Liberal" is no longer a "scare word." America is moving toward MORE LIBERALISM because CONSERVATISM is a divisive and bankrupt philosophy. CONSERVATISM is the REAL, NEW "scare word."
Seriously, look at what Republican Conservatism has brought us just these past 8 years--the worst economy in the history of every voter in America today, the complete shredding of our global opinion, a present-day 3-prong, never-ending war strategy where we don't actually identify "the enemy" anymore, we just go ahead and let the Republicans carry on like "we could lose! Don't let those Liberals run up the white flag!!" Seriously? Will we be handing Baghdad back to Saddam? Will we be letting Communism "gain a foothold" in the Middle East? Think Republicans. Think.
That is actually why the Republicans are going to take a historic beating at the polls. Americans are tired of being led by Conservative, Intellectual Dumbasses. Americans have "rediscovered" that Intelligence Matters in Leadership.
Republicans only have themselves to blame too. McCain barely graduated from the US Naval Academy (if not for him being a 2 generation Admiral Legacy he might've flunked out of the Academy) whereas Mitt Romney has a Law and an MBA degree. Hmm. That guy might've been someone who has the "smarts" to change around the American Economy. Or is our economy better suited in the hands of an idiot Navy pilot who fashions himself after "Maverick" from "Top Gun" and who's only real distinction in life is cheating on his first wife and marrying into money the second time around...
Our Country needs better than that.
Seriously, look at what Republican Conservatism has brought us just these past 8 years--the worst economy in the history of every voter in America today, the complete shredding of our global opinion, a present-day 3-prong, never-ending war strategy where we don't actually identify "the enemy" anymore, we just go ahead and let the Republicans carry on like "we could lose! Don't let those Liberals run up the white flag!!" Seriously? Will we be handing Baghdad back to Saddam? Will we be letting Communism "gain a foothold" in the Middle East? Think Republicans. Think.
That is actually why the Republicans are going to take a historic beating at the polls. Americans are tired of being led by Conservative, Intellectual Dumbasses. Americans have "rediscovered" that Intelligence Matters in Leadership.
Republicans only have themselves to blame too. McCain barely graduated from the US Naval Academy (if not for him being a 2 generation Admiral Legacy he might've flunked out of the Academy) whereas Mitt Romney has a Law and an MBA degree. Hmm. That guy might've been someone who has the "smarts" to change around the American Economy. Or is our economy better suited in the hands of an idiot Navy pilot who fashions himself after "Maverick" from "Top Gun" and who's only real distinction in life is cheating on his first wife and marrying into money the second time around...
Our Country needs better than that.
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Well despite what I just heard about Obama specifically catering to mass market tabloids and their journalists, he seems to have a pretty good following among major credible newspapers if they don't like him that much or iif he's not cordial to their reporters. I would guess that information is misleading once again.
My first choices are the Washington Post and NY Times, which are both on the support list.
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Romney was a real loose cannon. He blamed McCain for flip flopping to Bob Schiefer and then had his foot in his mouth when his own flip flopping was revealed. He was very adament about a stronger military, (Giuliani was also waving that flag), when it was obvious the US should never have been in Iraq. That tune quickly changed when the popularity of that military buildup was obvious a miscalculation. One tenth the force was in Afghanistan looking for Bin laden than went to Iraq. It is obvious it was part of the overall neoconservative plan to get permanent US bases in the middle east and a vendetta by Jr. to go after he who threatened his father.
Also, with $12B going into Iraq every month, how long does McCain plan to drive that train toward the edge of the cliff for victory? As a Vietnam vet he must know you can't win a war against an ideaology with guns, bombs and more lives lost? I'll bet that money could have gone a good distance to fix social security or start a national healthcare system, build universities or something else we could have been working on over the past 5 plus years.
Romney and McCain both pandered to the Evangelical/Conservative base of the Pubs. Romney's flipflops were nothing more than pandering and, look at that, it didn't work anyway. Generally, flipflopping is supposed to be a strategy of SUCCESS right? McCain USED to be a Western Conservative--which is basically a Deliberate and Suspicious Conservative. Instead of that, he became a War Monger and a Bush Bootlicker.
Mitt Romney SHOULD HAVE come out for ending the War. His business instincts SHOULD'VE led him to the conclusion that you just laid out basically. We can do more things AT HOME with the money we're spending over there and he would've had an argument about taxes too. "We don't need to repeal the Bush tax cuts because I'm ending the war and that act will allow us to focus internally on alternative fuels, infrastructure rebuild...blah blah blah."
There had to be another Republican candidate who was for ending the Iraq Occupation--it was tragic/laughable that Ron Paul was the only one.
Everything is aligned for an Obama landslide win. And, assuming Obama's presidency is as successful as it probably will be: Imagine an incumbent president with an 82% approval rating going into 2012....
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I think that the romance is about to end.
People, grown adults that is, usually come back to the center (reality) to opt for experience over vanity (Obama). The voter will come to realize that this is no time to experiment with our representation, especially when nobody is looking !
Remember now, McCain is known as the Democratic parties' strongest advocate in all of the Senate.
People, grown adults that is, usually come back to the center (reality) to opt for experience over vanity (Obama). The voter will come to realize that this is no time to experiment with our representation, especially when nobody is looking !
Remember now, McCain is known as the Democratic parties' strongest advocate in all of the Senate.
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The polls and maybe even more importantly the amount of money donated and the amount of people giving to the Obama campaign says different.Get used to the idea, Obama is very likely to win Teusday,so big in fact he can claim a mandate.:thumbsup:
The polls and maybe even more importantly the amount of money donated and the amount of people giving to the Obama campaign says different.Get used to the idea, Obama is very likely to win Teusday,so big in fact he can claim a mandate.:thumbsup:
I think that the romance is about to end.
People, grown adults that is, usually come back to the center (reality) to opt for experience over vanity (Obama). The voter will come to realize that this is no time to experiment with our representation, especially when nobody is looking !
Remember now, McCain is known as the Democratic parties' strongest advocate in all of the Senate.
I think we're talking two different and alternate realities here. :dunno:
Really?
Reagen- behind Carter significantly in October in the polls in 1980
Reagen- Behind Mondale significantly in October inthe polls in 1984
Bush- Behind Dukakis significantly in October inthe polls in 1992
George W Bush- Behind Gore in polls in October in 2000
W Bush- Behind Kerry in October in polls, and SIGNIFICANTLY behind Kerry in Exit polls on election day in 2004.
As I said before- everyone, and not just on Freeones, is expounding at great lengths about what's going to happen in this election. But much like global war... errr... "Climate Change", everyone is afraid of those three little words:
"We don't know"
See you guys Wednesday, when we'll have something historic going on; either the first black president or the first female vice president.
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I think that the romance is about to end.
People, grown adults that is, usually come back to the center (reality) to opt for experience over vanity (Obama). The voter will come to realize that this is no time to experiment with our representation, especially when nobody is looking !
Remember now, McCain is known as the Democratic parties' strongest advocate in all of the Senate.
So explain to me how electing a 72 year old who could kick the bucket at any minute with a clueless governer for a running mate who was basically picked for her age and looks, and has only 18 months experience at at her job wouldn't be experimenting with out representation.
Very good point, having a 72 year old president, with his successor being successor being so conservative it looks painful, who lets face it does not have a clue. Is far more of an experiment, than having Obama in office.
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so joe the plumber was a set up?
he does live in the neighborhhood where obama went.
He asked the guy a direct question and Obama tried to dance around it but couldn't quite succeed.
He said "I'm gonna take the money you worked for and give to someone else, and you can't do shit about it".
So now some people are concerned about his true intentions, and alot of people don't like that.
Question Obama? Well I never.
Of tax increases, the great depression of 1929 - the mid thirties was escalated greatly but herbert hoovers tax increase on taxpayers earning over $100,000 a year.
$100,000 a year in 1929 is like 3-5 million a year by todays standards.
So raising taxes for those earning, 250,000, 200,000 or 150,000 (depending on what day it is) is not going to help the recession the country is in.
Although its probably certain his tax increase will target those making much less.
The results: Bad things man.
he does live in the neighborhhood where obama went.
He asked the guy a direct question and Obama tried to dance around it but couldn't quite succeed.
He said "I'm gonna take the money you worked for and give to someone else, and you can't do shit about it".
So now some people are concerned about his true intentions, and alot of people don't like that.
Question Obama? Well I never.
Of tax increases, the great depression of 1929 - the mid thirties was escalated greatly but herbert hoovers tax increase on taxpayers earning over $100,000 a year.
$100,000 a year in 1929 is like 3-5 million a year by todays standards.
So raising taxes for those earning, 250,000, 200,000 or 150,000 (depending on what day it is) is not going to help the recession the country is in.
Although its probably certain his tax increase will target those making much less.
The results: Bad things man.
There are way too many regulations and safeguards in place with banks and other organizations in today's time to amount to something as horrific as another great depression. Could the results be bad if handled wrong? yes they could, but nothing to the magnitude of the great depression, it's impossible with everything that was put into place after that. Still, I think Obama is far less risky than McCain and bouble head.
Notwithstanding that, it was put that McCain and experience was the choice that we would come back to if I interpreted that correctly, and I don't see that happening in 2008.
Where in the world are you getting your polling info from? You couldn't be more wrong. It looks like you just made it up.
By Mid October the polls showed Reagan winning easily in 80 and 84. (Mondale did have a slight lead in the early summer of 84, Pres Carter a lead that started diminishing late spring that never stopped sliding until Election Day)
Dukakis was behind Bush by October and stayed behind. The Willie Horton ad as well as the tank ad made a difference. Dukakis did narrow the gap the final week, but lost. Plus the year was 1988 not 1992.
In 2000, the final polls did show Gore with a slight edge. If you remember, he did win the popular vote by a slight margin.
In 2004, down the stretch, Bush was ahead in all the National polls. Ohio was to close to call. However won Ohio would win it all. During the day, exit polling lead mathematicians to believe that Kerry would win. The exit polling never had shown a huge lead. What the modeling did not show was that, the voting machine allocation was flawed and disproportionaly affected the urban areas of Franklin and Cuyahoga Counties.
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If I don't vote alternative other which at this point appears to only advance Obama's chances of becoming our next President, I think that I'd opt for McCain I over Marx II any day of the year.
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Well its far more likely for McCain to die of natural causes than Obama.
I say natural causes because with Obama you dont know what retarded idiot is going try to assassinate him.
But still if you look at all of the factors involved McCain is far more likely to "kick the bucket" as they say.
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I have that feeling too. I hope it doesn't happen, but there are a lot of stupid, racist mother fuckers in this country, so I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
