NFL '10/'11 Season Thread.

[girk1]

This!

:wtf: David "Fucking" Garrard has the second highest QB rating? He is ahead of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisburger, and Drew Brees?
He plays for the Jaguars too which just adds insult to injury.

who cares, it's all about winning and winning a championship...numbers can lie...look at the chargers...number 1 in O and D...below .500 record

Tried to tell people that when they bashed Vick's stats as a Falcon & called him overrated/subpar. The guy was a game changer DESPITE what SOME of the numbers say.

But for those stat geeks here are some for Vick so far:

Vick stats & ranking(2010):bowdown::surprise:

Passer Rating-108.7 (1st in League)

Pass INT %- 0%(1st )Has not thrown a single pick yet & only fumbled once

Adjusted yds/pass att-9.57(1st)

Adj net yards/pass- 8.28(1st)

yards per completion(4th) only.4 yards off leader.

Comp % 62.8% -"Vick Barely completes 50% of his passes"


What people don't understand is that Vick also improves his teams running game(why the Falcons were always among the League leader in Rushing when Vick was there)as defenses can not be over aggressive & shoot the gaps against the run because Michael Vick will roll out & make you PAY:

Eagles Rushing Offense (2009 without Vick) 22nd in the League

Eagles Rushing Offense( 2010 with Vick) 3rd in the League & would probably be first had he not been injured.

These numbers will eventually show improvements on the Eagles overall defensive ranking because the their poor defense will spend less time on the field because of improved RUNNING game with Vick. That's impact.



And some people(who claim to watch football) said Vick was/ is a bust


His critics have been fairly silent.I guess there is nothing more for Michael Vick haters to criticize besides 'he's a dog killer'):dunno:

 

[STDiva]

Tried to tell people that when they bashed Vick's stats as a Falcon & called him overrated/subpar. The guy was a game changer DESPITE what SOME of the numbers say.

But for those stat geeks here are some for Vick so far:

Vick stats & ranking(2010):bowdown::surprise:

Passer Rating-108.7 (1st in League)

Pass INT %- 0%(1st )Has not thrown a single pick yet & only fumbled once

Adjusted yds/pass att-9.57(1st)

Adj net yards/pass- 8.28(1st)

yards per completion(4th) only.4 yards off leader.

Comp % 62.8% -"Vick Barely completes 50% of his passes"


What people don't understand is that Vick also improves his teams running game(why the Falcons were always among the League leader in Rushing when Vick was there)as defenses can not be over aggressive & shoot the gaps against the run because Michael Vick will roll out & make you PAY:

Eagles Rushing Offense (2009 without Vick) 22nd in the League

Eagles Rushing Offense( 2010 with Vick) 3rd in the League & would probably be first had he not been injured.

These numbers will eventually show improvements on the Eagles overall defensive ranking because the their poor defense will spend less time on the field because of improved RUNNING game with Vick. That's impact.



And some people(who claim to watch football) said Vick was/ is a bust


His critics have been fairly silent.I guess there is nothing more for Michael Vick haters to criticize besides 'he's a dog killer'):dunno:

To be fair, he was never this good in Atlanta. I'm not saying he was a bust, but his actual quarterback skills were weak in ATL.

 

[Hot Mega]

To be fair, he was never this good in Atlanta. I'm not saying he was a bust, but his actual quarterback skills were weak in ATL.

Vick was another slacker ...Palmer was too but at least Palmer was/is doing the basics. Vick wasn't even doing that by his own admission.

As best I can tell he was just out there winging it between partying until prison made him realize the opportunity he had and the effort that was necessary to take advantage of it.

 

[girk1]

To be fair, he was never this good in Atlanta. I'm not saying he was a bust, but his actual quarterback skills were weak in ATL.

Understand what YOU are saying ,but many are claiming he was a 'poor' NFL QB(borderline bust) & they claim they have the numbers to prove it.
I think you are a Broncos fan? I am A San Diego Chargers fan & I don't need some stat geeks breaking down Elways numbers in his 1st ten seasons (which were worse than Vicks 1st 4 in ATL) nor telling me Elway was not a good QB.




Elway( And early Steve Young) 'statistically' was worse than ATL Vick. John Elway was a INTERCEPTION waiting to happen compared to Vick who has taken relatively good care of the football throughout his career.

Elway 1st 10 seasons completion pct% goes like this: 47%,56%,54%,55%,54%,55%,53%,58%,53% & 55%.
Compared to Vick who was 54%,56%,55%,52%( plus 62% now in his 5th 'full' season) And Vick's Completeion pct is a problem:dunno:


Elway's passer rating 1st 10 seasons was roughly 72 while Vick was 75 in Atlanta:dunno:

Elway threw 158 TDs to 157 INT's(15 td's versus 15 int's per season)
Vick threw 72 td's versus 52 int's(roughly 18 td's to 13 int's)

So Vick in his 1st 4 seasons had comparable completion pct to Elway, Better passer rating AND better TD to INT ratio.:dunno:

If the stat geeks had not watched him & nitpicked his numbers like we do today Elway would be a 'relative' failure/below average QB.

In ONLY 4 seasons Vick was 2-2 in the playoffs & got the 'perennial' loser, & one of the Leagues worst franchises, Falcons to an NFC Championship game & Divisional Playoff(all before 25).

Vick's importance went beyond the bare numbers.

 

[STDiva]

Understand what YOU are saying ,but many are claiming he was a 'poor' NFL QB(borderline bust) & they claim they have the numbers to prove it.
I think you are a Broncos fan? I am A San Diego Chargers fan & I don't need some stat geeks breaking down Elways numbers in his 1st ten seasons (which were worse than Vicks 1st 4 in ATL) nor telling me Elway was not a good QB.




Elway( And early Steve Young) 'statistically' was worse than ATL Vick. John Elway was a INTERCEPTION waiting to happen compared to Vick who has taken relatively good care of the football throughout his career.

Elway 1st 10 seasons completion pct% goes like this: 47%,56%,54%,55%,54%,55%,53%,58%,53% & 55%.
Compared to Vick who was 54%,56%,55%,52%( plus 62% now in his 5th 'full' season) And Vick's Completeion pct is a problem:dunno:


Elway's passer rating 1st 10 seasons was roughly 72 while Vick was 75 in Atlanta:dunno:

Elway threw 158 TDs to 157 INT's(15 td's versus 15 int's per season)
Vick threw 72 td's versus 52 int's(roughly 18 td's to 13 int's)

So Vick in his 1st 4 seasons had comparable completion pct to Elway, Better passer rating AND better TD to INT ratio.:dunno:

If the stat geeks had not watched him & nitpicked his numbers like we do today Elway would be a 'relative' failure/below average QB.

In ONLY 4 seasons Vick was 2-2 in the playoffs & got the 'perennial' loser, & one of the Leagues worst franchises, Falcons to an NFC Championship game & Divisional Playoff(all before 25).

Vick's importance went beyond the bare numbers.

Ok, so Vick is better now, like Elway and Young. Cool. :dunno: He's always been a game changer, but he sucked as a QB in ATL. I don't get why you're trying to convince anybody.

 

[316sherm]

Ok, enough of the Michael Vick talk...how bout some picks for tomorrow's games?

New England vs. Detroit
(I'm feeling like Detroit might upset the Pats)
:elaugh:

Dallas vs. New Orleans
(I think MY Saints will win this one...they have to keep pace in the division)
:yesyes:

Cincy vs. New York
(This should be an automatic Jets win...SHOULD be)
:dunno:

What do ya'll think?

 

[young_guns]

Understand what YOU are saying ,but many are claiming he was a 'poor' NFL QB(borderline bust) & they claim they have the numbers to prove it.
I think you are a Broncos fan? I am A San Diego Chargers fan & I don't need some stat geeks breaking down Elways numbers in his 1st ten seasons (which were worse than Vicks 1st 4 in ATL) nor telling me Elway was not a good QB.




Elway( And early Steve Young) 'statistically' was worse than ATL Vick. John Elway was a INTERCEPTION waiting to happen compared to Vick who has taken relatively good care of the football throughout his career.

Elway 1st 10 seasons completion pct% goes like this: 47%,56%,54%,55%,54%,55%,53%,58%,53% & 55%.
Compared to Vick who was 54%,56%,55%,52%( plus 62% now in his 5th 'full' season) And Vick's Completeion pct is a problem:dunno:


Elway's passer rating 1st 10 seasons was roughly 72 while Vick was 75 in Atlanta:dunno:

Elway threw 158 TDs to 157 INT's(15 td's versus 15 int's per season)
Vick threw 72 td's versus 52 int's(roughly 18 td's to 13 int's)

So Vick in his 1st 4 seasons had comparable completion pct to Elway, Better passer rating AND better TD to INT ratio.:dunno:

If the stat geeks had not watched him & nitpicked his numbers like we do today Elway would be a 'relative' failure/below average QB.

In ONLY 4 seasons Vick was 2-2 in the playoffs & got the 'perennial' loser, & one of the Leagues worst franchises, Falcons to an NFC Championship game & Divisional Playoff(all before 25).

Vick's importance went beyond the bare numbers.

really? ur comparing elway to vick? he has better talent around him, he's worked on his pocket passing, he's a better QB than he ever was before...thanks

picks for tomorrow

pats
saints
cinny

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

If he was younger that might be viable, but Palmer is also getting to the point where age will probably start becoming a factor on top of his performance drop already. By the time San Francisco (or a team like the Raiders) has a chance to build it's team up to where they are championship caliber I don't think Palmer will really be a big part of that if they got him. At best they might get him before that to mentor a new good quarterback they go out and get. I don't see Palmer willing to take washed up veteran type money where he will have to battle with somebody else in a year or two for the starting position after arriving at a new team...yet. That would be the only situation I would bring in Palmer if I ran a team like that. Maybe if they believed Palmer had a chance of turning it around and performing like he did years ago I could see it, but that's very unlikely to happen.

Your point is well taken, and it would be true on say, the Panthers. But I believe both the 49ers and Raiders, especially the latter, do have talent and could be pretty good.

He's not hiding....the real Palmer is being exposed. He's a slacker and a bust really but has had allot of players around him to carry him and shield his slacking.

This is the same guy we saw at USC until Carroll stacked allot of talent around him and got in his lazy ass.

That's a fair point, he did absolutely nothing his first 3 years at USC. If I remember correctly, he threw about the same number of INTs as TDs.

Ok, enough of the Michael Vick talk...how bout some picks for tomorrow's games?

Detroit hasn't won on Thanksgiving since 2003. New England.
Both teams are playing their best ball of the season. New Orleans.
I think it'll be close but....... New York.

 

[D-rock]

Your point is well taken, and it would be true on say, the Panthers. But I believe both the 49ers and Raiders, especially the latter, do have talent and could be pretty good.

While the 49ers and the Raiders aren't as bad as the Panthers are now anymore, and the Raiders really do seem to be improving significantly for the first time in years I also don't think either team is one or two years away from winning the Superbowl. I also don't think either of them is just one player away from turning the corner and becoming elite either.

 

[STDiva]

Patriots
Saints
Jets

I'll be at the Lions/Patriots game getting belligerent with Brady homers tomorrow. Woooop.

 

[AB10]

No one thinks Cowboys are a Chance at home?

Other two pick themselves really.

 

[STDiva]

No one thinks Cowboys are a Chance at home?

Other two pick themselves really.

Not with Kitna.

 

[AB10]

Yeah you're probably right.

 

[Tittyman5000]

Packers Rule!

 

[Red001]

sure the Cowboys have a chance but not a good one.

red001

 

[maildude]

Detroit hasn't won a Turkey Day game in seven years...plus they haven't lost by fewer than eleven points in them. New England--drop the points.

New Orleans has Shockey ready, along with safeties Jenkins and Sharper. If Bush is ready as well, they look pretty good, especially since the team has turned it around. But Kitna is rolling, as is the running game and D. Close one. Edge to New Orleans in their first Gobbler Bowl.

Never bet against a streak. The Bengals have disappointed seven straight now, and Palmer looks like a flood victim out there. The Jets are riding a series of nail-biters against inferior teams. But Sanchez is the next Namath--like it or not--and it's time for a lopsided win. New York will get one today.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Patriots/Lions?

One thing I can say is, I'm glad they never game the T-giving day game away. Like Madden said, when no other teams wanted it, the Lions always took it so the tradition should remain.

That said, at least Lions fans have something to look forward to every year, eh. It's kinda like their very own Superbowl every year. :1orglaugh

 

[Straight Shooter]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Patriots/Lions?

One thing I can say is, I'm glad they never game the T-giving day game away. Like Madden said, when no other teams wanted it, the Lions always took it so the tradition should remain.

That said, at least Lions fans have something to look forward to every year, eh. It's kinda like their very own Superbowl every year. :1orglaugh

The NFL should rotate the Thanksgiving game every year. I'm sorry but the Lions are hot garbage and I'm tired of having to watch them get slaughtered year after year. Screw tradition.

 

[alexpnz]

Patriots...by ALOT!
Jets...by ALOT!
Cowboys...by a little!
:hatsoff:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

The NFL should rotate the Thanksgiving game every year. I'm sorry but the Lions are hot garbage and I'm tired of having to watch them get slaughtered year after year. Screw tradition.

I kinda like the tradition. I wouldn't be totally opposed to changing up venues, as it would be sort of cool, but at the same time part that Detroit game always brings me back to my childhood. The only thing I don't understand, wasn't it the Cowboys that traditionally had the second game? What happened to that?