Obviously, turnovers were the reasons why the Vikings lost. But you have to admit.... it was shocking to see the Vikings self destruct like that. Ironically, Adrian Peterson had no turnovers, but didn't exactly help their cause.
NFL '09/'10 Season Thread
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Obviously, turnovers were the reasons why the Vikings lost. But you have to admit.... it was shocking to see the Vikings self destruct like that. Ironically, Adrian Peterson had no turnovers, but didn't exactly help their cause.
Minnesota dominated New Orleans, plain and simple. But they lost. Thats what mistakes will do to you.
I saw that pick' on Favre on ESPN again today and I can't believe how bad of a throw it was. He really tried to jam it in there. It almost looks as if he tried on purpose to throw an INT it was so bad. Maybe he did it on purpose to make millions with bookies or something. I hope we never see Favre's ugly face again after that shit.
Ace Bandage
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This is really going to be a tough game for me. I love the Colts, and they've been my favorite team since I was a kid watching Jim Harbaugh lead us to the AFC Title game in '95. But the Saints have Drew Brees. I watched him play at least 30 times during his college career - home games at Ross-Ade and a few away games a year, including the 2001 Rose Bowl. As great a quarterback as he is, he's an even better person. It's hard not to like the guy. I've followed his entire career and whatever team he plays on instantly becomes my second favorite. Of course I'll be rooting for Indy, but I want Drew to play well. And if by some chance (it would take a miracle) the Saints win, I'll be happy for him. But this will be the one week that I can't cheer for him. Go Horse!
You sound like a mother torn between two sons opposing each other in the championship game!!:1orglaugh
Skyraider22
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This has to be painful for you I think it will be close but the Colts will pull it out one of those game where the teams who has the ball last has a good chance of winning:thumbsup:
Damn, Kurt Warner retired. Class guy, great competitor.
I wouldn't say, "no doubt". Kurt Warner is a lot more of a borderline case than that, even if I would side more in favor of him making it in than not after this year. People seem to neglect the years he fumbled all the time, people thought he was almost washed up, and struggled to beat out the bad version Eli Manning and Matt Leinart for a starting position. In his good years he had some of the best offensive personal in the league around him. He had some very great years, but not a lot of them, and he also was very inconsistent throughout his career. I would put him just over the line of being somebody that is deserving to make it in.
It also looks like Martz is going to be offensive coordinator in Chicago. Lets see Chicago has a good but mistake prone quarterback that like to gunsling more than he should, receivers that can't run good routes, overrated running backs, and one of the worst offensive lines in the league. Now add in Mike Martz love for passing, 5 and 7 step drops, and his tendency to never want to protect the quarterback and am I the only one that sees disaster with this. Now add in the fact that Chicago doesn't have to many draft picks this year to even fix those problems and all of them are going to be lower ones. Unless he's willing to adapt the only way a Martz offense can work is if you have a bunch of great players on the offensive line and smart crisp decisions by everybody else on offense.
Warner has had a solid NFL career with more accomplishments than most people are aware of. Kurt Warner has 3 Super Bowl appearances, a Super Bowl Championship, a Super Bowl MVP, 2 NFL MVP awards (1999, 2001), and is currently 5th in all-time 300 yard games. He also has the second highest playoff QB rating of 97.3 and the most yards thrown in Super Bowl history.
All this while coming into the league when he was 27 years old. He turned the St Louis Rams into a contender and did the same thing with the joke of the NFL, Arizona Cardinals. Only the 2nd QB in league history to QB two different teams to the Super Bowl.
You're right D-Rock, he probably won't be a sure shot, but I think he definitely deserves to be in.
All this while coming into the league when he was 27 years old. He turned the St Louis Rams into a contender and did the same thing with the joke of the NFL, Arizona Cardinals. Only the 2nd QB in league history to QB two different teams to the Super Bowl.
You're right D-Rock, he probably won't be a sure shot, but I think he definitely deserves to be in.
Warner made the Rams and Cardinals contenders. Look at what happened to the Rams after he left. No, it wasn't all him, but he was a part of it. The guy is a winner. He has been to 3 Super Bowls, was insanely accurate and a class act. I am usually a harsh critic of guys getting to the Hall and I think Warner gets in.
Most of those things also involve small sample sizes that only took place in a small number of games. You could look at almost any player that has played any significant time and take a couple of games they did well in that have great stats and make them look like a HOF if you just consider that. True, it was the playoffs and the Superbowl he did well in, but that doesn't mean he has some magical power to just lets him play better than normal in those games, and really on a logical statistical level they shouldn't have any more weight to them than any other game. At most I would give him a tiny bit of extra credit for things like that (which considering he's borderline actually does help him quite a bit). I wouldn't make it the formative argument for his worth as a hall of famer though.
Mark Bulger was an elite quarterback and one of the best in the league for the Rams for years after Warner left. That's not a good example. If anything that's a case against Warner. Even Eli Manning wasn't that bad after Warner left. I would say the decline of the Rams had as much to do with the decline of Faulk, Bruce, Pace, and the defense (which was actually mediocre to good during their Superbowl runs), and even later on the decline of Holt and Martz getting stupid more than it was Warner leaving.
Warner had two, maybe three, really very great years. He had two, maybe three good years. Warner had three or four or more lackluster years or worse. That's not a obvious hall of famer to me, but somebody that probably gets in and probably deserve it when you break down things further with him. Looking at his specific case and the circumstances he was in it looks like he's just on the side of being worthy of the football hall of fame, but I don't think he should be a slam dunk obvious case.
I'm with you STDiva. Numbers don't lie. They may not tell the whole story, but when someone years from now looks at the stats and sees the clips from the good years, not to mention the fact that Warner is very well liked by players and the media alike, I'd say he has a better than average chance at getting in. IMO he deserves it too. He didn't have to talk with my son when we met him at the zoo with his family on his day off but that is just who he was. Class act all the way.
Truth. I think his reputation for being a class act and a professional all these years will be on the voters minds as well.
Interesting fact.
Kurt Warner broke Joe Montana's record for most yards thrown in the Super Bowl in 3 games. Montana's record was 4 games.
