My thoughts on God
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Well, I personally believe in God. Here's a few ideas I'm going to throw out there.
Ok, so if there is no God or a creator, then how was the universe (and both time and space in the process) created? Alot of you are thinking Big Bang Theory. Well.... say the Big Bang did happen. What was here before the Big Bang, and an even better question, what caused the Big Bang to begin with? It didn't just magically happen one day (before time even existed) did it? Also, the Big Bang is supposed to be an explosion that's expanding the universe. Since when has an explosion ever created something and not destroyed it?
Ok, so if there is no God or a creator, then how was the universe (and both time and space in the process) created? Alot of you are thinking Big Bang Theory. Well.... say the Big Bang did happen. What was here before the Big Bang, and an even better question, what caused the Big Bang to begin with? It didn't just magically happen one day (before time even existed) did it? Also, the Big Bang is supposed to be an explosion that's expanding the universe. Since when has an explosion ever created something and not destroyed it?
Wainkerr99
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And this is constantly replicated. I have read the angry muttering of the philosophers, the elevated understanding of the exalted University professors, but never felt the peace that I would if I were to read about the wonder of a small flower.
I still need to find an article or book - mind you I've been watching movies lately - anyway the point I am making is that living things replicate.
One puts a dead seed into soil. Just chucks it in. Usually a plant appears later. How?
People scoff at Star Trek. Beaming technology. Ha haha. Replicators. Ha haha.
People always say there is no proof of God. They say this with absolute certainty. Science cannot prove it, they say.
Yet, only a few years ago, Science could not make force fields or transport matter. Now, it is beginning. Wireless electricity? Here.
Now great and all knowing Man can maybe assume there is a God, no? A few years ago things seemed inconceivable. Now they are being developed. Just because someone says something in a certain age of Man does not make it true for now and always.
How arrogant to assume one must wait for Man to prove the existence of God before one may be allowed to believe in Him.
People once believed Man can not fly. One might hold to a certain belief or concept at one time, but one does not have to wait for an invention to conceptualise, to visualise, to believe something. One does not have to wait for someone else's sayso.
It is awesome how a dead leaf comes to life in the spring. How a plant can reproduce itself. First, there is one cell. Only one cell. Then, from that one, there are many more. One thing, one item, becomes two or more. The human mind maintains that 1=1=2.
Yeah yeah I know I'm not talking about making children here!
It is just that one believes that one thing cannot possibly become another out of nothing. There is only one leaf. How can it become two?
What we do not see or prove does not mean it does not exist, or will only exist when we say so.
The crux of the matter is in the heart of Man.
I still need to find an article or book - mind you I've been watching movies lately - anyway the point I am making is that living things replicate.
One puts a dead seed into soil. Just chucks it in. Usually a plant appears later. How?
People scoff at Star Trek. Beaming technology. Ha haha. Replicators. Ha haha.
People always say there is no proof of God. They say this with absolute certainty. Science cannot prove it, they say.
Yet, only a few years ago, Science could not make force fields or transport matter. Now, it is beginning. Wireless electricity? Here.
Now great and all knowing Man can maybe assume there is a God, no? A few years ago things seemed inconceivable. Now they are being developed. Just because someone says something in a certain age of Man does not make it true for now and always.
How arrogant to assume one must wait for Man to prove the existence of God before one may be allowed to believe in Him.
People once believed Man can not fly. One might hold to a certain belief or concept at one time, but one does not have to wait for an invention to conceptualise, to visualise, to believe something. One does not have to wait for someone else's sayso.
It is awesome how a dead leaf comes to life in the spring. How a plant can reproduce itself. First, there is one cell. Only one cell. Then, from that one, there are many more. One thing, one item, becomes two or more. The human mind maintains that 1=1=2.
Yeah yeah I know I'm not talking about making children here!
It is just that one believes that one thing cannot possibly become another out of nothing. There is only one leaf. How can it become two?
What we do not see or prove does not mean it does not exist, or will only exist when we say so.
The crux of the matter is in the heart of Man.
the only thing we may birth is death, that doesn't give me much faith in a god. anyone who believes in god does so because of a faith i don't understand and don't have. i wish i had faith.
Just because our human brains make it seem like there must be a reason or a creator doesn't mean there actually is a creator. Don't get me wrong I believe in a God but it is very possible there isn't one. WE all think it must start somewhere and that there has to be a creator but our brains also make us see faces on the moon and giant penises when really that is just what it looks like to us. :thumbsup:
I believe there is something! However, I don't believe the bible is the literal word of God, because there is proof that it has been mistranslated to fit translators' beliefs and biases. I also do not buy the whole God created this angel that turned into the Devil thing. If God is omnipotent, how come he didn't forsee that he had just created Satan?? Or when he created this world, he already knew he was going to destroy it..so what's the point? Is this like a game or something. If you say God didn't know, then how is he omnipotent? Confront fundamentalists with this questions, and they will just go 
Anyways, I believe in energy and karma is a bitch!!
Anyways, I believe in energy and karma is a bitch!!
If there is a god, it hasn't done anything past creating the universe. There is no gods plan, quit feeling like you're that important. The only difference between us and every other animal on this planet is our intelligence. When I think about it, humans are just animals who's minds cannot comprehend just how useless and insignificant they really are. But that's just my opinion. :dunno:
Will E Worm
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How's that and what Bible are you reading?
I also do not buy the whole God created this angel that turned into the Devil thing. If God is omnipotent, how come he didn't forsee that he had just created Satan?? Or when he created this world, he already knew he was going to destroy it..so what's the point? Is this like a game or something. If you say God didn't know, then how is he omnipotent? Confront fundamentalists with this questions, and they will just go
It's called free will. Lucifer chose to disobey God.
God doesn't have to be omnipotent to know anything, but God is omnipotent.
Violator79
Take a Hit, Spunker!
I'm talking about the same bible you are probably reading.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm#virgin-mistranslation
http://www.themillennialdispensation.org/bemaoms.html
Example of biblical mistranslations to promote religious intolerance of gay people: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rnr/911390519.html
It's called free will. Lucifer chose to disobey God.
God doesn't have to be omnipotent to know anything, but God is omnipotent.[/QUOTE]
So basically, God created Lucifer, knowing he was going to make a bad choice, but he still went ahead and created Lucifer??
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
The "mistranslation" information is wrong. I don't know who made all that up, but they have been sniffing gas fumes for too long.
God gives everyone a choice and Lucifer chose the wrong path.
Why would God create everyone perfect like robots?
That's why everyone is given a free will choice.
Spleen
Banned?
So why is it that hardcore christians are always trying to shove it down my throat?
But if there is a "grand plan" as we are constantly told, free will/choice is irrelevant. It would mean that we do not have free choice after all, all we are doing is making choices that follow that set "plan". So by that logic, "Lucifer" was made by "God" who knowingly made him rebel. Free will and the grand plan cannot co-exist with one another, so what it is? Do we have free will, or are we all just slaves to the path set out by the allmighty at the beginning of time?
You have free will, but you dont actually because whatever you choose to do isnt actually your choice it's "Gods" choice to follow "it's" grand plan.
Hallelujah :bowdown:
Yeah that sounds wonderful
But if there is a "grand plan" as we are constantly told, free will/choice is irrelevant. It would mean that we do not have free choice after all, all we are doing is making choices that follow that set "plan". So by that logic, "Lucifer" was made by "God" who knowingly made him rebel. Free will and the grand plan cannot co-exist with one another, so what it is? Do we have free will, or are we all just slaves to the path set out by the allmighty at the beginning of time?
You have free will, but you dont actually because whatever you choose to do isnt actually your choice it's "Gods" choice to follow "it's" grand plan.
Hallelujah :bowdown:
Yeah that sounds wonderful
bloody hell BB
you sound like a timelord
Wainkerr99
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Where's middlefingerluv when you need her?
Who has seen "What the Bleep" with Marlee Matlin? It portrays infinite possibilities. You could choose right now to become a Christian. That would change the Universal path you are on. You would now continue down a different path than you would have before. Something to do with Quantum reality.
God can see the different roads you could have chosen. "Behold, I set before thee life or death. therefore choose life." Deuteronomy 30:15.
It is not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to eternal life. We just have to choose. That would then change the outcome of your life.
A gangster can carry on being a gangster until he is shot or stabbed, or goes to prison. Or, he could decide to leave, to pull out, got somewhere else. This move would then change his life.
It is your destiny.......
Who has seen "What the Bleep" with Marlee Matlin? It portrays infinite possibilities. You could choose right now to become a Christian. That would change the Universal path you are on. You would now continue down a different path than you would have before. Something to do with Quantum reality.
God can see the different roads you could have chosen. "Behold, I set before thee life or death. therefore choose life." Deuteronomy 30:15.
It is not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to eternal life. We just have to choose. That would then change the outcome of your life.
A gangster can carry on being a gangster until he is shot or stabbed, or goes to prison. Or, he could decide to leave, to pull out, got somewhere else. This move would then change his life.
It is your destiny.......
Ahh, but you're not answering that direct question. Yes people can choose, but is this a choice that is directed by "God" in order to follow the "Grand Plan"? If that is the case no one has free will whatsoever, they are just pawns in an overlords game of chess.
As Christopher Hitchens puts it, a "celestial dictatorship".
Obey by all means, that what you are supposed to do under a dictator, otherwise the punishment is severs. :hatsoff: Keep up the good work.
Wainkerr99
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Kind of a catch22 conundrum isn't it? If you don't believe there is a God, how do you ask Him anything? If you do believe, you may receive or know the answer, sort of, but either don't like it or can't tell anyone because they won't believe you either.
The whole obedience thing is pretty basic. Don't kill, don't covet, in short don't hurt one another. People should not have to be told that, don't you think?
I do not know why we are not just left alone to carry on. I suppose it is because God is like that.
Even if I had an answer, people would then go back to the is there a God question.
The whole obedience thing is pretty basic. Don't kill, don't covet, in short don't hurt one another. People should not have to be told that, don't you think?
I do not know why we are not just left alone to carry on. I suppose it is because God is like that.
Even if I had an answer, people would then go back to the is there a God question.
No they shouldnt, you dont need any religion to tell you that murder, rape and theft are wrong. I would think people would have found that out for themselves anyway and they do.
The church should be the last place a person get's their morals from.
GabberMan
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You're absolutely right. It's something that Orwell, amongst many others, identified as the fundamental principle to totalitarianism:
rules that must be obeyed yet are impossible to obey
Religion is based on that principle. It keeps its subjects in utter limbo.
Fuck religion.
Fuck religion and fuck God.
Fuck God.
And God, in "His omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence," told me to say that.
Religion is man-made and poisons everything it can touch.
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