Michael Moore

Please shut up Georges, you're just embarassing yourself... i'm just tired to see you and Brino going at it. You remind me of when my brother and i when we were young... Brino say white, Georges say black, one say right the other say left...i'm getting tired of reading both of you going at it !

Face you'll never agree on any of this stuff, so just try to agree that you're disagreeing, if you can do this ! :mad:
 

georges

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bigdan1110 said:
Please shut up Georges, you're just embarassing yourself... i'm just tired to see you and Brino going at it. You remind me of when my brother and i when we were young... Brino say white, Georges say black, one say right the other say left...i'm getting tired of reading both of you going at it !

Face you'll never agree on any of this stuff, so just try to agree that you're disagreeing, if you can do this ! :mad:

You tell me shut up.Who are you to tell me what i have to do??? I will say you to shut up first. I am not embrassing myself.:nono: If you don't like a way of debating so why are you posting in this thread ? So you are maybe embarassed about how the thread is turning but none gives a fuck about it.
I already said that i never agreed with Brino and so where is the big deal?
 
Dolman said:
I guess some of the porn-fanatics on this board arent as smart as I thought they were:)

Let me explain this, ONCE more......listen carefully.

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My dad has his own (small) business. NEVER has his business been as good as this year. He is prospering beyond belief.

^This part was referring to those who thought the economy was 'so bad' for small business'

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He does restaurant repair, at big name, expensive restaurants(Red lobster, applebees, longhorn, pizza hut, etc)

THEY are all doing GREAT as well. In his line of work, he sees and talks to ALOT of people.

Now, ^THIS^ part is explaining how these, VERY popular restaurants, are doing VERY good. They are having a GREAT year, which is funny considering how 'bad' the economy is.

Now I still dont see what is so hard to understand about this.

First - I explained how my dad HAS a small business, therefore has to deal with small business issues. (loans, taxes, etc)

Then - I stated how huge chains of resaurants are doing so good in this time of 'bad economy'.....therefor attacking the claim of the economy being bad on small business', AND the claim that the economy is bad.

No this is just one area, but a pretty damn large area. He travels across state, and these resaurants are owned by VERY big companies, with their restaurants distributed across the united states.

Like I said, its not a surefire way, but it IS in fact one example of a decent/good economy.
First - You compared with ONE small business. ONE SINGLE BUSINESS OF MILLIONS. Your logic is erranous.

Then - Then you try to tell economy good by telling about a huge chains. It does always goes good for huge chains, even when the economy is bad, because they are huge and afford to take a few hits once in awhile, and still are going strong. You haven't looked at the small businesses, those that go bankrupt far more easier and who's budget is tremendously more fragile. Besides, has it ever occured it goes well for you father because he does work FOR HUGE CHAINS. Not all small businesses do that.

Okay, time for some more economy lessons concerning your beloved Conservatism. But I'm quite sure you will brush it off as lies, as Bush and his administration are your Messiahs and his disciples, and because you've confused President, Senate, and House with king, aristocracy, and gentry (supposedly representing the commons).
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Conservatism claims to own the theme of entrepreneurship, but then conservatism claims to own every theme. In reality, entrepreneurship on the part of the common people is antithetical to conservatism. Democracy is a social organization of knowledge - a sprawling landscape of overlapping knowledge spheres and a creative tension on any given issue between the experts and the laity. This is civil society. Civil society is a necessary complement and counterbalance to the state in a democracy. One measure of the success of the discourse of civil society has been that conservatism has felt the need to destroy it by means of distorted theories of "civil society" that place the populace under the tutelage of the aristocracy and the cultural authorities that serve it.

The current state of economics is unfortunate for democracy. Conservatism runs on ideologies that bear only a tangential relationship to reality, but democracy requires universal access to accurate theories about a large number of nontrivial institutions. The socialist notion of "economic democracy" is probably useful as a counter to conservative psychologies of internalized deference that crush people's minds and prevent useful work from being done. It is, however, not remotely adequate to the reality of an interconnected modern economy, in which the workplace is hardly a natural unit. A better starting place is with analysis of the practical work of producing goods in social systems of actual finite human beings - that is, with analysis of information and institutions.

Knowledge and very general social conditions are required to produce and use it. Simply put, knowledge is best produced in a liberal culture. This is why the most prosperous and innovative regions of the United States are also the most politically liberal, and why the most conservative regions of the country are also the greatest beneficiaries of transfer payments. Liberals create wealth and government redistributes it to conservatives. This is, of course, the opposite of the received conservative opinion in the media, and indeed in most of academia. But it is true.

Another connection between democracy and a modern economy is the democratic nature of entrepreneurialism. People who reflexively defer to their social betters will never learn the social skills that are needed to found new types of social relationships.
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Conclusion: Liberalism is better for the economy than Conservatism, and thus Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans.
 

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Starman said:
First - You compared with ONE small business. ONE SINGLE BUSINESS OF MILLIONS. Your logic is erranous.

Then - Then you try to tell economy good by telling about a huge chains. It does always goes good for huge chains, even when the economy is bad, because they are huge and afford to take a few hits once in awhile, and still are going strong. You haven't looked at the small businesses, those that go bankrupt far more easier and who's budget is tremendously more fragile. Besides, has it ever occured it goes well for you father because he does work FOR HUGE CHAINS. Not all small businesses do that.

Okay, time for some more economy lessons concerning your beloved Conservatism. But I'm quite sure you will brush it off as lies, as Bush and his administration are your Messiahs and his disciples, and because you've confused President, Senate, and House with king, aristocracy, and gentry (supposedly representing the commons).
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Conservatism claims to own the theme of entrepreneurship, but then conservatism claims to own every theme. In reality, entrepreneurship on the part of the common people is antithetical to conservatism. Democracy is a social organization of knowledge - a sprawling landscape of overlapping knowledge spheres and a creative tension on any given issue between the experts and the laity. This is civil society. Civil society is a necessary complement and counterbalance to the state in a democracy. One measure of the success of the discourse of civil society has been that conservatism has felt the need to destroy it by means of distorted theories of "civil society" that place the populace under the tutelage of the aristocracy and the cultural authorities that serve it.

The current state of economics is unfortunate for democracy. Conservatism runs on ideologies that bear only a tangential relationship to reality, but democracy requires universal access to accurate theories about a large number of nontrivial institutions. The socialist notion of "economic democracy" is probably useful as a counter to conservative psychologies of internalized deference that crush people's minds and prevent useful work from being done. It is, however, not remotely adequate to the reality of an interconnected modern economy, in which the workplace is hardly a natural unit. A better starting place is with analysis of the practical work of producing goods in social systems of actual finite human beings - that is, with analysis of information and institutions.

Knowledge and very general social conditions are required to produce and use it. Simply put, knowledge is best produced in a liberal culture. This is why the most prosperous and innovative regions of the United States are also the most politically liberal, and why the most conservative regions of the country are also the greatest beneficiaries of transfer payments. Liberals create wealth and government redistributes it to conservatives. This is, of course, the opposite of the received conservative opinion in the media, and indeed in most of academia. But it is true.

Another connection between democracy and a modern economy is the democratic nature of entrepreneurialism. People who reflexively defer to their social betters will never learn the social skills that are needed to found new types of social relationships.
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Conclusion: Liberalism is better for the economy than Conservatism, and thus Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans.

If a small firm is closing doors it is because its manager doesn't know how to manage the firm properly and didn't how to target customers.Look at bill gates or steve jobs they both started from nothing and they build emepires and yes they were and are both conservatives.
THere different people in a firm with different abilities and different level of education you can't put all persons on the same level that is impossible. It is ok for respect and not superficial and too formal relationships between execs and workers but a worker will always reamin a worker and an exec will always be an exec.
Not everybody has knowledge only people who work hard and who really know their subject perfcetly but they aren't many.
"This is why the most prosperous and innovative regions of the United States are also the most politically liberal, and why the most conservative regions of the country are also the greatest beneficiaries of transfer payments". Did you that the owners of the most successful and most famous firms were and are mainly conservatives?
Democratic entreprenuerialism means also selection among people that you employ for the job and also i should that cost effectiveness plays an important role when you employ someone.
"Conclusion: Liberalism is better for the economy than Conservatism, and thus Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans." this sentence is more valuable for Sweden than for the us.
 
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Brino

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bigdan1110 said:
Please shut up Georges, you're just embarassing yourself... i'm just tired to see you and Brino going at it. You remind me of when my brother and i when we were young... Brino say white, Georges say black, one say right the other say left...i'm getting tired of reading both of you going at it !

Face you'll never agree on any of this stuff, so just try to agree that you're disagreeing, if you can do this ! :mad:

I dont know why I argue with georges but I do know that I'm not stopping anytime soon! :yesyes:

I kinda know that I'm not going to convert georges, I just like arguing! :D
 

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georges said:
You are the only one who posted bush with several comical pictures aren't you?So stop lying.

I'm not the only one who posted comical pictures, Ranger posted some too (which you laughed at by the way) besides wheres the crime in posting comical pictures!? :confused:
 

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georges said:
that doesn't explain why the navy investigates on kerry's medals. because if kerry was so honest the navy wouldn't be investigating on him

Their investigating it because people (like you) have been lying about it so much that theyve been forced to investigate it!

btw even if they find that Kerry did earn those medals youd still say he didnt because your a good little republican drone!

You want to question military service then question your own canidate! Here's the evidence:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/08/bush_fell_short_on_duty_at_guard?mode=PF
 

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Brino said:
I dont know why I argue with georges but I do know that I'm not stopping anytime soon! :yesyes:

You want to prouve that your dear kerry is gold that is why you argue.
 

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Brino said:
I'm not the only one who posted comical pictures, Ranger posted some too (which you laughed at by the way) besides wheres the crime in posting comical pictures!? :confused:

I stopped to post comments in comical pictures thread. Comical pictures aren't realistic.
 

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Brino said:
Their investigating it because people (like you) have been lying about it so much that theyve been forced to investigate it!
btw even if they find that Kerry did earn those medals youd still say he didnt because your a good little republican drone!
You want to question military service then question your own canidate! Here's the evidence:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/08/bush_fell_short_on_duty_at_guard?mode=PF

i am not a drone:nono:. there are so many questions concerning kerry medals that don't say victory too soon.
Kerry honest ?no:nono: Only three months on the field ridiculous.
Your link is completely different from mine concerning Bush.A question comes to my mind :Is the boston globe a democrat newspaper?
 

Brino

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georges said:
i am not a drone:nono:. there are so many questions concerning kerry medals that don't say victory too soon.
Kerry honest ?no:nono: Only three months on the field ridiculous.
Your link is completely different from mine concerning Bush.A question comes to my mind :Is the boston globe a democrat newspaper?

1) Yes you are a drone or should I say sheep!

2) Have you ever seen combat? Has Bush ever seen combat? No! So until you have then dont criticize somebody who has!

3) From now on every link you give me I'm going to call partisan rhetoric! It's only fair since you do the same with my links!

btw Your links are partisan bullshit!
 
Brino said:
I'm not the only one who posted comical pictures, Ranger posted some too (which you laughed at by the way) besides wheres the crime in posting comical pictures!? :confused:

Btw, i'm sure if Kerry is president, Brino and others will continue to post comical pictures of Kerry, we're not as biased as you Georges, we can laugh at everyone, we're not stuckup like you.

I think they forgot to put a few programs files when they made you Georges ! :D

Like you love to say,

Have a beer on me ! :glugglug:

Regards,
Daniel ;)
 

georges

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Brino said:
1) Yes you are a drone or should I say sheep!

2) Have you ever seen combat? Has Bush ever seen combat? No! So until you have then dont criticize somebody who has!

3) From now on every link you give me I'm going to call partisan rhetoric! It's only fair since you do the same with my links!

btw Your links are partisan bullshit!
1)You are a sheep because all what says moore is golden for you isn't it? Do you honestely think that people want to assist persons who are lazy and who only take advantages of their work?

2) Have you ever seen combat?Have you ever piloted an f102? No please stop taking idioties.

3) what ever makes you happy brino
 

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bigdan1110 said:
Btw, i'm sure if Kerry is president, Brino and others will continue to post comical pictures of Kerry, we're not as biased as you Georges, we can laugh at everyone, we're not stuckup like you.

I think they forgot to put a few programs files when they made you Georges ! :D

Like you love to say,

Have a beer on me ! :glugglug:

Regards,
Daniel ;)

And if he is not president?You will say "i am sorry for Kerry's @ss"
Biased, you are one of the rare canadian who support kerry and you , starman and brino support kerry's policy, so please stop lying.Conclusion you are biased person because you support Kerry's policy. Stuckup ?:bs: That is not my case.But you are.I just have a preference for a conservative and i don't need Michael Moore propaganda to tell me for who should i vote. You are probably too blind and you follow Kerry's policy as do Brino and Starman.
The vote will say us who was right or not.
 
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georges said:
And if he is not president?You will say "i am sorry for Kerry's @ss"
Biased, you are one of the rare canadian who support kerry and you , starman and brino support kerry's policy, so please stop lying.Conclusion you are biased person because you support Kerry's policy. Stuckup ?:bs: That is not my case.But you are.I just have a preference for a conservative and i don't need Michael Moore propaganda to tell me for who should i vote. You are probably too blind and you follow Kerry's policy as do Brino and Starman.
The vote will say us who was right or not.

Again, stop with that Micheal Moore crap, i haven't watch is movie, i'm well informed so i don't need somebody to tell me that Bush was and is a bad President.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of canadians who are supporting John Kerry.

Don't tell me i'm biased, if there's one person who is, that's you Georges.

The result of the election will not tell us wich one was right or wrong... because if it was doing that, Gore would be President right now , not Bush !

Btw, when was the last time you were in the US Georges, just wondering...
 
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georges

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bigdan1110 said:
Again, stop with that Micheal Moore crap, i haven't watch is movie, i watch a lot of tv, read a lot of stuff around the internet, so i don't need someone to tell me what to do. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of canadians who are supporting John Kerry.

Don't tell me i'm biased, if there's one person who is, that's you Georges.

Btw, when was the last you were in the US Georges, just wondering...

I have been in the us 9 times and every time during three months, you probably never.
I was 6 times in new york and 3 times in dallas texas.
I have a lot of American friends here in France who also say that Kerry is the worst democrat candidate ever. Most of them are republicans.
Look at how Canada is fucked up:
- Canadian army is not comparable to the us army and even some european armies.
- Your country is over taxed, half of your paycheck goes to thoses lazy stupid ministers in Ottawa.
- No more pension plan in 5 years.
- The justice system is so outdated.
- This country is going bankcrupt.
I was always for conservatives and many sources can say bs so i don't care.I know for who i am and i don't hide it. That is being frank not biased.
 
I agree with you on this, we have a pathetic army, but since the americans are doing all the work, we don't need it much, so its not a big lost... ;)

About the country being bankrupt, i don't think the americans are doing better...

Btw, i'm from Canada, but in fact, i prefer say that i'm from Quebec and i can't wait to be finally a country, call me a separatist, i don't care, because its true, i voted yes on the last referendum and i will vote yes again the next time.

One thing is for sure, politicians are corrupt around the world.

Sorry if i want a lit bit of topic, but maybe this will explain some of my views...
 

Brino

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georges said:
1)You are a sheep because all what says moore is golden for you isn't it? Do you honestely think that people want to assist persons who are lazy and who only take advantages of their work?

2) Have you ever seen combat?Have you ever piloted an f102? No please stop taking idioties.

3) what ever makes you happy brino

1) Totally baseless! I'm not a sheep of Moore's because I dont believe everything he says and believe it or not georges I havnt even seen F-9/11 yet! You on the other hand believe everything Bush and his allies say and that makes you a sheep!

2) Bush flew a plane in perfect safety while Kerry was risking his life in Vietnam and yet people like you say Bush is more courageous than Kerry! So you think people who dodge the draft are courageous and dare to criticize somebody who actually volunteered for combat! I smell a hypocrite!
 
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