What a good religious person you are. I wonder what your loving god thinks about you now? I'm betting he/she doesn't want to promote the idea of people being judge, jury and executioner.
Man Charged w/Murder After Being Robbed @Gunpoint and Killing Perp
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What a good religious person you are. I wonder what your loving god thinks about you now? I'm betting he/she doesn't want to promote the idea of people being judge, jury and executioner.
Folks, don't forget this little detail, from the article I linked to:
"The prosecutor said the teenager was unconscious, unarmed, lying on his back and posing no threat when Ersland fired what the medical examiner said were the fatal shots."
Yep, this is probably an execution scenario. If so, a murder charge of some kind is really in order...
"The prosecutor said the teenager was unconscious, unarmed, lying on his back and posing no threat when Ersland fired what the medical examiner said were the fatal shots."
Yep, this is probably an execution scenario. If so, a murder charge of some kind is really in order...
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Exodus 22:1-2 (KJV)
1: If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.
2: If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
A thief can be killed. :hatsoff:
Well, the law sees it differently and there is no evidence crime would drop. In fact, from this one crime (armed robbery), another was produced (murder).
Secondly, what do you think harden criminals are likely to do? Simply give up crime?? No, it potentially makes them more dangerous and more lethal if they suspect going into a crime it's their life versus yours.
What a loving god....
"die" and "kill" are equal and the same thing??
That is about as bad of an interpretation as can be rendered of a statement.
Further, is that in the context of "die" as opposed to "eternal life".
Certainly "the wages for sin is death" (which can be as simple a thing as fornication) but isn't that in comparison to "eternal life".
Yeah, I mean why not extend this to trespassing too??
Take that shortcut over my lawn instead of using the sidewalks (for a 90-degree turn), I should have every right to kill you!!!
Take that shortcut over my lawn instead of using the sidewalks (for a 90-degree turn), I should have every right to kill you!!!
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Yes. Let's do another one of those "What would Jesus do?" scenarios and see what the consensus is. Somehow, I don't see JC going to get another gun and pumping 5 more slugs in a guy who is already shot and incapacitated.
OK God, which way is it then???
"Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17)
Guess he forgot to include the fine print. Should have gotten himself some legal advice before he handed those tablets over to Charlton Heston I suppose.
It's widely held and understood that passage refers to murder not all killing.
If one were to take that passage literally, mankind could virtually not survive as our existence requires the killing of many living things from simple organisms that do us harm up to and including man in some cases.
I fervently hope, we are not living in the middle ages or even in a more ancient time. I took about half an hour to go through the posts in this thread. What shocked me is the violence in the posts, more than the violence of the incidence.
In my book, only a coward and an animalistic personality will shoot a person, who is injured, let alone a teenager, unconscious and unarmed. The barbarians (Are we morally capable to call any one barbaric??) had more values than what was shown by the man in the name of self defense. Animals don't kill when they are not hungry. Middle age had a code of conduct in war, not to attack when a person is sleeping and/or injured.
I'm ashamed that I too am a part of the same humanity.
In my book, only a coward and an animalistic personality will shoot a person, who is injured, let alone a teenager, unconscious and unarmed. The barbarians (Are we morally capable to call any one barbaric??) had more values than what was shown by the man in the name of self defense. Animals don't kill when they are not hungry. Middle age had a code of conduct in war, not to attack when a person is sleeping and/or injured.
I'm ashamed that I too am a part of the same humanity.
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No it wouldn't. You'd have the crime of armed robbery by the robber & then the crime of murder by the victim.
So in fact crime would go up!! :hatsoff:
I feel obligated to post some dity harry quotes:
from the first one:
Harry Callahan: Well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard. That's my policy.
The Mayor: Intent? How did you establish that?
Harry Callahan: When a naked man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher's knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross!
[walks out of the room]
The Mayor: He's got a point.
from magnum force:
Lieutenant Briggs: Suppose they panic and start shooting?
Harry Callahan: Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot!
from sudden impact:
[Horace King Fires two shotgun blasts a the target]
Harry Callahan: Not bad.
Horace King: Not bad, my ass! You've got to strain the remains for the fingerprints.
Harry Callahan: Well, this is the .44 Magnum Auto-Mag and it hold a 300-grain cartridge. And, if properly used, it can remove the fingerprints.
I am truely wondering why some people here victimize the criminals, in some houses on the entry door there is either "enter at your own risk" or "do not trespass" especially seen in the southern states of America. Sometimes people cry death of criminals and I don't get it. Imagine that a criminal will shoot your family if you don't give him what he wants. I am really flabbergasted by some of the things I hear here. You think that by entering someone's proprety just for robbing him, you will not end shot or injuried??? What the fuck are you thinking that honest hardworking citizens will let themselves robbed??? Please get real.
A robber is hardly friendly and in most of the cases, it is a convicted felon with a heavy criminal record.
I do recognize that shooting the slugs at the wounded guy was a little bit overkill.
from the first one:
Harry Callahan: Well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard. That's my policy.
The Mayor: Intent? How did you establish that?
Harry Callahan: When a naked man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher's knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross!
[walks out of the room]
The Mayor: He's got a point.
from magnum force:
Lieutenant Briggs: Suppose they panic and start shooting?
Harry Callahan: Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot!
from sudden impact:
[Horace King Fires two shotgun blasts a the target]
Harry Callahan: Not bad.
Horace King: Not bad, my ass! You've got to strain the remains for the fingerprints.
Harry Callahan: Well, this is the .44 Magnum Auto-Mag and it hold a 300-grain cartridge. And, if properly used, it can remove the fingerprints.
I am truely wondering why some people here victimize the criminals, in some houses on the entry door there is either "enter at your own risk" or "do not trespass" especially seen in the southern states of America. Sometimes people cry death of criminals and I don't get it. Imagine that a criminal will shoot your family if you don't give him what he wants. I am really flabbergasted by some of the things I hear here. You think that by entering someone's proprety just for robbing him, you will not end shot or injuried??? What the fuck are you thinking that honest hardworking citizens will let themselves robbed??? Please get real.
A robber is hardly friendly and in most of the cases, it is a convicted felon with a heavy criminal record.
I do recognize that shooting the slugs at the wounded guy was a little bit overkill.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labour, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it
I hope the murdering owner doesn't open his store on a Sunday!
If he does & he gets sent down then its gods punishment!!
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Hi georges, I hope you have two varieties of homo-sapiens, human and criminals. So you are right. There is no more any human left. Humanity is dead. There only is criminality. Thank you, friend.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Oh, so you're saying that we shouldn't interpret the Bible literally? (not picking on you HM). Tell that to the religious fundamentalists who just love to throw "it says in the Bible" justifications for everything that's convenient for their beliefs.
A book written by many men over many centuries and interpreted by many more over many more centuries ostensibly to be "the word of God". Says who? It's a fucking book just like a million other books....based loosely on historical fact and greatly aggrandized to suit the political needs of the time.
Sorry....don't mean to hijack this thread into a Bible thread but when people start quoting scripture....
:dunno:ever heard of this latin saying :"homo mene lupus" which translates in English :"The man is a wolf for the man". If you think that by human it is showing pity to robbers, I truely fail to understand you or perhaps that we don't live in the same world. Is it human to get robbed at gun point and have your family threatened to be killed if you don't give the thief the things he wants? Is it human to let a convicted felon alive knowing that he can harm and kill innocent people? Is it human to accept that some sex offenders are just under control and not locked up in a cell knowing that there is a risk that they can commit crimes again?
We live in a violent world sadly but we have to face it and take the necessary and adequate measures to make sure the felons and criminals won't be polluting the streets or harming innocent people.
The key is proving that he was in fact unconscious. As a doctor, and I know that you can't clinically diagnose someone is unconscious by a simple video. Was there an attempt to arouse him? There was obviously no EEG on him. Unarmed is meaningless, as the guy could easily go for any kind of other weapon or use his body. Lying on his back means very little in proving to be incapacitated. People rarely fall down shot flat on their back unconscious unless they were already lying down flat on their back. The reason they lie on their back is because they are awake an it is easier to breathe that way. Seems like he was in fact conscious, and a guy who can still face you and have his bearings is certainly a threat.
Proving all of those facts will be difficult. Is there reasonable doubt that he was conscious? Probably. Can they prove he was alive and unconscious? Probably not. They're trying to convict because it was a teenager, and killing bad kids isn't "kosher" these days, plus the lawyers figure they could get sympathetic votes from the right jury.
Showing mercy is what separates us from other animals.
When lying on the floor & having been shot?!?
Oh, so you're saying that we shouldn't interpret the Bible literally? (not picking on you HM). Tell that to the religious fundamentalists who just love to throw "it says in the Bible" justifications for everything that's convenient for their beliefs.
A book written by many men over many centuries and interpreted by many more over many more centuries ostensibly to be "the word of God". Says who? It's a fucking book just like a million other books....based loosely on historical fact and greatly aggrandized to suit the political needs of the time.
Sorry....don't mean to hijack this thread into a Bible thread but when people start quoting scripture....
I think some things are literal (like references to various sins), some things are figurative and some things are metaphorical.
With respect to killing vice murder, there a plenty of references that appear quite naturally to draw clear distinctions between the two. Killing as punishment is condoned in the bible ("Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed..") and killing in self defense is condoned (1 Samuel 17..the account where David slew Goliath). So when the bible lists as a commandment "Thou shalt not kill"...the implication based on the first two examples is that it speaks of the third way one may be killed, which is murder. :2 cents: