Philbert
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No, assari, we don't steal our guns, or buy them on the black market (well, most of us don't), so that was another wrong, foolish, and unthinking statement to add to your score...is it a thousand yet?
Let's see if you gun nuts still support the "Stand Your Ground" law...
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No, assari, we don't steal our guns, or buy them on the black market (well, most of us don't), so that was another wrong, foolish, and unthinking statement to add to your score...is it a thousand yet?
I hear and understand you. The biggest caliber I shot on a hunting rifle was the 458 winchester magnum on a model 70 called the african from 1970 which was intended for big game hunting. For killing a criminal a 308 nato is sufficient but for that I will take a springfield m1a supermatch with a leupold m4 scope, harris bipod and twenty round mag. When I was at the range, I used to get less than 5 on 5 inch group at 700 hundred meters with a m1a loaded with black hills 308 nato mil spec ammunition. 9mm isn't enough for me, I would go for a 357sig or 10mm auto or 45acp or 44magnum or 45 long colt. My favorite semi auto is the para ord p14 45 black ops, 14 bullets of 45acp which is enough firepower for self defense. Loaded with heaviest 45acp cartridges from corbon, winchester or federal, it can be very intimidating and efficient weapon. Not only you know where to place your rounds, but you need a fast aim and a fast trigger pull as well. A good, responsive and crisp trigger is a necessity in a weapon
Black market, illegal and stolen weapons ever heard of that??? Most of the guns used in crimes in the USA are either stolen or illegal and mainly come from the black market. So forbidding guns and closing gunshops will make things worse, it will just encourage criminals to get more violent against their victims.
Philbert
Banned
Anyway, to get back to the OP, you anti-gun nuts (hell, you're just plain nuts; but I digress...) seem to always take the wrong tack to get where you seem to wanna go.
Stand your ground isn't running away and then shooting someone for the hell of it...this needs for a shitload of people to get all "charge the MF with murder...!" since the stand your ground doesn't apply.
And it's just another case of violent Black youth killing whites when they're not busy killing Blacks and Messicans...but I digress.
I want to see a prosecutor with balls take this to a level where, after you've left the scene and are in no danger of harm, shooting an old man who actually lived a life worth living while leaving the scene is just plain murder (or manslaughter, or something more nasty than illegal possession of an unregistered firearm).
"...one of the most common ways criminals get guns is throught straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
If I understand correctly that text it means that the gun shops are one of the main sources where the criminals get their guns.
Philbert
Banned
Once again a poster uses a source they didn't read, and it proved their argument silly and wrong.
As this article does...illegal and black market sales provide the largest portion of criminals's supply of firearms, with a quarter of the illegal guns coming from theft.
Pretty much what Georges and I stated...
Just like illegal drugs, if there's a market there will be product...smuggled, skimmed, or whatever is the best way to supply a market.
Always...
As the Bible says those who stick to the sword shall perish by the sword.
I do not know is it possible to prevent all gun grimes, but these can be reduced.
The first step would be to declare all firearms illegal and gather them from the citizens.
Such a measure would discourage many shootings.
The criminals are more difficult to deal, but they are a minority which can be swept out in various ways.
Mariahxxx
Official Checked Star Member
you are
out
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mind
so take them away from the people and then only the criminals have them???? do you realize how fucking STUPID that is??? then what would stop the criminals from just taking anything they wanted?
such a measure would INDUCE crime and only reduce the number of people shot while robbing someone else
out
of
your
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mind
so take them away from the people and then only the criminals have them???? do you realize how fucking STUPID that is??? then what would stop the criminals from just taking anything they wanted?
such a measure would INDUCE crime and only reduce the number of people shot while robbing someone else
Mariahxxx
Official Checked Star Member
Re: Let's see if you gun nuts still support the "Stand Your Ground" law...
The bible forbids tattoos Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."
The Bible says you aren't to shave or cut your hair: Leviticus 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."
This is a GREAT one lmao if your balls or cock are injured or cut off you can't get into heaven! I can think of several of you who are doomed!
Deuteronomy 23:1 "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD."
If you get into a fight you better not let your woman (hahahaha) jump in and grab or hit the other guy in the balls! The Bible says her hand should be cut off and she should not be felt sorry for! Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets
Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."
If your child curses at you then the Bible says they are to be put to death! Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."
The Bible says anyone working on the Sabbath should be put to death.
and here's a good one about women being forbidden to speak in church lol 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
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so using the bible as a reason to get rid of guns is nothing more than comedy.
The bible forbids tattoos Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."
The Bible says you aren't to shave or cut your hair: Leviticus 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."
This is a GREAT one lmao if your balls or cock are injured or cut off you can't get into heaven! I can think of several of you who are doomed!
Deuteronomy 23:1 "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD."If you get into a fight you better not let your woman (hahahaha) jump in and grab or hit the other guy in the balls! The Bible says her hand should be cut off and she should not be felt sorry for! Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets
Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."
If your child curses at you then the Bible says they are to be put to death! Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."
The Bible says anyone working on the Sabbath should be put to death.
and here's a good one about women being forbidden to speak in church lol 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
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so using the bible as a reason to get rid of guns is nothing more than comedy.
The infamous opening page missing from the bible (this also applies to all other religious works):
"All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental"
I thank you.
ApolloBalboa
Was King of the Board for a Day
The bible forbids tattoos Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."
The Bible says you aren't to shave or cut your hair: Leviticus 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."
This is a GREAT one lmao if your balls or cock are injured or cut off you can't get into heaven! I can think of several of you who are doomed!
If you get into a fight you better not let your woman (hahahaha) jump in and grab or hit the other guy in the balls! The Bible says her hand should be cut off and she should not be felt sorry for! Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets
Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."
If your child curses at you then the Bible says they are to be put to death! Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."
The Bible says anyone working on the Sabbath should be put to death.
and here's a good one about women being forbidden to speak in church lol 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
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so using the bible as a reason to get rid of guns is nothing more than comedy.
Not this old chestnut again.
I feel like this point has been discussed to death already, but selectively using Bible quotes (for either side) to illustrate a point doesn't reinforce your stance any further, so can we please refrain from acting like just because one scripture or passage promotes a viewpoint we're synonymous with, that the issue has been settled in our favor?
ApolloBalboa
Was King of the Board for a Day
Yes, I know, but if you're of the mind that people need to stop using the Bible as a reference book, I don't see why you would do it in retaliation to someone else. As platitudinous as this might sound, two wrongs don't make a right.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
To get back to the OP, my state doesn't have a Castle Doctrine law and we don't have a Stand Your Ground law either. But if someone is trying to forcibly enter your home, it has been the case, with every grand jury that I'm aware of, that deadly force has been "forgiven". When I was having "issues" with a property I bought in a rough area many years ago, a city cop I knew told me to just make sure that "the perp" fell on my side of the door threshold - and make sure the shot was a deadly one. It's unfortunate that that's the way it has to be, but as the harsh old saying goes, "dead men tell no tales." We have struggled with getting a Castle Doctrine law for some time. And now, because of that shit for brains, mall cop wannabe, Whore-Hey Zimmerman, it's highly unlikely that, in this emotionally charged political climate, we will get it anytime soon... if ever - even though we have a pure Tea Bagger for a governor (who is possibly on his way to prison for corruption and theft).
It's really just like everything else in life: this is why we can't have nice things. There will always be some dumbass cowboy type, who thinks that he is ten feet tall & bullet-proof as long as he's got a pistola on his side... who will compensate for his small dick and failings in life by wandering around trying to be a super hero (even when he's told not to). And once he fucks up, well, just as with little Capitan Z Man, those of us who just want to live peaceful lives, not bother anyone and not be bothered, we find that restrictions are placed on us because of those fucked up people. Fuckups have been causing headaches for the rest of society for thousands of years. So I don't expect it to end anytime soon.
Years ago I owned and rented a condo in a planned community (basic HOA, but not gated) and I doubt there was a soul there who knew me, other than my tenant. And though I never had any issues like this, if some zipperhead cop wannabe, wearing baggy-ass khakis, had rolled up on me and tried to play 20 questions, if he couldn't have (quickly) produced a police ID and badge, there likely would have been a problem if he'd continued to play Barney Fife with me. I'm not Superman and I don't have "mad ninja skills", but I'm also not an 18 year old kid who doesn't know to look for a bulge at someone's waistline. So if you're strapped and you're following me, then my logical assumption would be that you mean me some harm - why else would you be armed and stalking me??? So, exiting your vehicle and then getting within arm's reach, and letting me detect that whatever side your piece is on tells me whether you are right or left handed, odds are, that right or left arm is going to get torque-snapped when it gets twisted up behind your back when I get you on your fat, little belly.
See, ya just don't fuck with people who aren't (first) fucking with you. It really is a good way to go through life. Really, it is. That's why I don't have any scars on my face (and only one or two on my hands). IMO, more people should try that philosophy... and leave that Wyatt Earp/Barney Fife, paranoid schizo bullshit in front of the big screen boob tube or their mind-numbing video game console.
It's really just like everything else in life: this is why we can't have nice things. There will always be some dumbass cowboy type, who thinks that he is ten feet tall & bullet-proof as long as he's got a pistola on his side... who will compensate for his small dick and failings in life by wandering around trying to be a super hero (even when he's told not to). And once he fucks up, well, just as with little Capitan Z Man, those of us who just want to live peaceful lives, not bother anyone and not be bothered, we find that restrictions are placed on us because of those fucked up people. Fuckups have been causing headaches for the rest of society for thousands of years. So I don't expect it to end anytime soon.
Years ago I owned and rented a condo in a planned community (basic HOA, but not gated) and I doubt there was a soul there who knew me, other than my tenant. And though I never had any issues like this, if some zipperhead cop wannabe, wearing baggy-ass khakis, had rolled up on me and tried to play 20 questions, if he couldn't have (quickly) produced a police ID and badge, there likely would have been a problem if he'd continued to play Barney Fife with me. I'm not Superman and I don't have "mad ninja skills", but I'm also not an 18 year old kid who doesn't know to look for a bulge at someone's waistline. So if you're strapped and you're following me, then my logical assumption would be that you mean me some harm - why else would you be armed and stalking me??? So, exiting your vehicle and then getting within arm's reach, and letting me detect that whatever side your piece is on tells me whether you are right or left handed, odds are, that right or left arm is going to get torque-snapped when it gets twisted up behind your back when I get you on your fat, little belly.
See, ya just don't fuck with people who aren't (first) fucking with you. It really is a good way to go through life. Really, it is. That's why I don't have any scars on my face (and only one or two on my hands). IMO, more people should try that philosophy... and leave that Wyatt Earp/Barney Fife, paranoid schizo bullshit in front of the big screen boob tube or their mind-numbing video game console.
The Old Testament quotes were directed at the nation of Israel and not Christians. The quote from Corinthians addresses women being pastors and is why many denominations of the Christian faith forbid it and is why women do not enter the priesthood. Same old crap from atheists twisting the Bible and its context to suit their purpose.
Criminals are not the only group who use guns for the wrong purposes.
Anyone can go crazy and go to McDonald's to shoot people.
Many of those who have shot large number of people have no criminal record.
I'm trying to say that problems arise if the firearms are easily available and people think that they are like toys.
I'm not anti-gun person, but in my view weapon should be treated with some caution.
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