Let's see if you gun nuts still support the "Stand Your Ground" law...

[Rey C.]

I am fully aware of the ownership transfer process as I have done it before. The gun was originally semi but had a conversion kit put on it by the previous owner. So I am going to have the conversion kit removed so that I can sell it. I just haven't thought about it for a while.

Uh... I think what you mean is that you were surprised to find this highly illegal conversion and you had it corrected instantly. Seriously, Mariah, no shits & giggles, you'd rather have a computer full of kiddie porn than let there be any confusion about this point on this (or any) message board. I'm 100% certain that you meant that you already had this thing fixed, right?

 

[Jack Davenport]

My dad bought his automatics in the 70's from some guy in Arizona that was eventually busted on weapons charges. Not sure exactly how they are converted I always heard it involved the firing pin. Anyway you are correct about circumventing the system Any deviation from the process can land you in heap big trouble and even following the rules after licensing can be tedious. Not worth the trouble just to have a weapon that will carry your balls around for you.

 

[georges]

An Uzi?
And I have got an honest question (no intention to be rude or unfriendly): Why do you have so many weapons, is it paranoia or is the place you are living in so dangerous?

The 2nd amendment of the USA allows her to do so and she is right to do it

 

[Philbert]

I really can't understand all these gun loving US citizens.

Take a look at europe for example: Here it is normal not to have a gun and life here is working real fine without them.

That's because you look at everything an inch at a time, and never see very much .

Just a stat from UK, not even from Ireland (where all Police carry firearms) :


2007–08, there were 6,780 Authorised Firearms Officers, 21,181 police operations in which firearms were authorised throughout England and Wales and 7 incidents where conventional firearms were used.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Nobody in their right mind would illegally sell or transfer a fully automatic weapon to a pretty face or for even 6 figures without their last name being Gambino or Gotti. And if I were party to such a transaction I certainly wouldn't be talking about the purchases or past or prior conversions.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

^^^ Good post. I'll try to rep you but the system apparently won't let you rep someone you've repped in the past 50 years now. It's the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 and the manufacture and registration date on select fire and automatic weapons must be before May(?) 1986. The only exceptions are for military and law enforcement (including some private security firms).

I appreciate Mariah's pictures. They're a hell of a lot sexier than the ones Fisher posted. And being something of an AK fan, I especially appreciate the one of her with the AK. I think she should get together with Chica from Chica's Place and her pal Thomas from Amateur Allure and have a machine gun shoot in the Arizona desert (he has a sweet, full-auto H&K MP5 that I'm lusting for). But I would be careful about advertising what I owned on a public message forum - especially if I traveled a lot. Just my 2 pennies. But still... Mariah, feel free to post as many photos of you and that AK as you want. Nice shots - really are. And uh, a Youtube vid of the "jiggle affect" when you fire it on full auto won't offend me in the least.

BTW, hopefully what she meant by "private transaction", for the select fire/full auto AK, was that she purchased it from a private seller, but applied for and received the necessary ATF tax stamp for a Class 3 weapon to make the transfer legal. Otherwise, yeah... it's an "issue" that she needs to fix ASAP. Last I heard the tax stamp was "only" $200. That's been several years ago - I don't know what the transfer tax stamp costs now. And depending on where you live, it's usually not a big deal. I don't have any Class 2 or Class 3 weapons or accessories (suppressors, etc.), but I know several people who do. No biggie, really.


P.S. On "Stand Your Ground" and the various Castle Doctrine concepts, I am generally in favor of them. But the major issue I have with Stand Your Ground (specifically) is when you get paper tigers, who are pussies by nature, who can't fight and who will use firearms to give them an edge when they decide to start some shit with other people. See, I was brought up in a time when if you started some shit, got some shit slung back at you and wound up with your dick in the dirt, that was your fault. You take your ass beating, crawl home and have mommy put a steak on your eye. I never started a fight, because even if I'd won, my dad would have whipped my ass. But America is now full of pussy-men, girlie men, wannabe tough guys, who see Wyatt Earp when they look in the mirror (when really they are Barney Fife). My father was 6'4" of pure REAL man! And other than when we had an issue with someone rustling cattle, he didn't carry a gun - ever. He was generally not violent, but I did see him literally lift a man's feet completely off the ground with a single uppercut under the jaw, and this guy was as big as he was. The guy had it coming. But my dad was true, blue old school: don't fuck with other people and don't let people fuck with you. I do my best to live by the great example that he set. Me, I wouldn't be roaming around like a mall cop, trying to see who I could fuck with. But that's just me. My right to own basically any firearm I choose to own is under threat partially because these pussies and mall cop types are making us all look like crazed asswipes who shouldn't be allowed to own anything more powerful than a BB gun.

Yeah...lets. With today's anti-gun administration, you will have a MUCH harder time getting that permit. I don't either, but then, I don't see a need to spend that kind of coin on a single weapon. I'm partial to the vintage firearms when it comes to class 3. At 25k for a B.A.R., or 20k for a Thompson...I could get a second Harley. I also know, studies clearly have shown, a well controlled semi auto firing weapon, to be more accurate, and effective in fire fight situations...which is why an M4 carbine has a 3 shot burst, and not a "empty the whole mag out" feature, and why they have S.A.W.'s to lay down suppressing cover fire. I enjoy my "toys", but I can't see putting a laundry list out for all to read...maybe I'll pm you a pic one day.

I'm not opposed to the AK...I just don't like the rounds performance qualities...which are basically equal to a .30-.30, although a TRUE Russian made AK, is about as fine a quality weapon as you'll find. It's simplicity and ruggedness can't be beat, and it'll function under almost every circumstance, it'll also eat just about any ammo you feed it. I think about it's only REAL rivals, of that era, would be the H&K G3, or the Galil rifles. Of course the M14, or civilian M1A are great guns, but you know how American designers think...complicated equals better, then you end up with extra tight tolerances, and weapons that need to be constantly cleaned. Although, 7.62x 51 is far better at long range, then the 7.62x39.

 

[Rey C.]

My dad bought his automatics in the 70's from some guy in Arizona that was eventually busted on weapons charges. Not sure exactly how they are converted I always heard it involved the firing pin. Anyway you are correct about circumventing the system Any deviation from the process can land you in heap big trouble and even following the rules after licensing can be tedious. Not worth the trouble just to have a weapon that will carry your balls around for you.

Nah, it's more than just installing a beefier firing pin. The firing pin really doesn't have anything to do with the full auto cycling function. Rev's description pretty well captures the differences. Additionally, original equipment full autos have different barrels than the semi-autos. The Polytech and Norinco AK smuggling case during the Clinton's Administration, had to do with not just (illegal) new production, a select fire AK machine guns, but also OEM machine gun barrels for possible illegal conversions. Firing a semi-auto barreled weapon, with a semi-auto, stamped receiver, on full auto is just a good way to earn a quick trip to the hospital. Part of my frustration with the current gun-grabber craze is the fact that too many people see a civilian MAK-47 (semi auto) and think it has any *real* link to its military, full auto/select fire AK-47 cousin. I have a street legal car that looks almost identical to a full blown race car of the same model. But mine is not a *true* race car. Just like any (legal) civi AK is not a full blown military machine gun or "assault weapon" - by definition, an actual assault weapon has select fire capabilities: Sturmgewehr :bowdown: to the grandpa of them all.

Yeah...lets. With today's anti-gun administration, you will have a MUCH harder time getting that permit. I don't either, but then, I don't see a need to spend that kind of coin on a single weapon. I'm partial to the vintage firearms when it comes to class 3. At 25k for a B.A.R., or 20k for a Thompson...I could get a second Harley. I also know, studies clearly have shown, a well controlled semi auto firing weapon, to be more accurate, and effective in fire fight situations...which is why an M4 carbine has a 3 shot burst, and not a "empty the whole mag out" feature, and why they have S.A.W.'s to lay down suppressing cover fire. I enjoy my "toys", but I can't see putting a laundry list out for all to read...maybe I'll pm you a pic one day.

I'm not opposed to the AK...I just don't like the rounds performance qualities...which are basically equal to a .30-.30, although a TRUE Russian made AK, is about as fine a quality weapon as you'll find. It's simplicity and ruggedness can't be beat, and it'll function under almost every circumstance, it'll also eat just about any ammo you feed it. I think about it's only REAL rivals, of that era, would be the H&K G3, or the Galil rifles. Of course the M14, or civilian M1A are great guns, but you know how American designers think...complicated equals better, then you end up with extra tight tolerances, and weapons that need to be constantly cleaned. Although, 7.62x 51 is far better at long range, then the 7.62x39.

Yeah, the Russian and the East Bloc AK models are the cream of the crop. They're more expensive and harder to come by now, but the workmanship and build quality tends to be higher than the Chinese models from Norinco and Polytechs. Most of these weapons aren't good for much but burning up cheap surplus ammo and plinking or maybe short range hunting. I took an AK as a brush gun many years ago and it was a damn effective deer rifle out to about 100 yards. And in the brush, you'll never get more than a 40-50 yard shot anyway. The short barrel and 7.63x39 round was good for that. But for "real hunting", I'll take a tuned Weatherby or Remington bolt gun any day over any of these lookalike, military wannabes. They're just fantasy, fun guns... in the right hands, of course.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Nah, it's more than just installing a beefier firing pin. The firing pin really doesn't have anything to do with the full auto cycling function. Rev's description pretty well captures the differences. Additionally, original equipment full autos have different barrels than the semi-autos. The Polytech and Norinco AK smuggling case during the Clinton's Administration, had to do with not just (illegal) new production, a select fire AK machine guns, but also OEM machine gun barrels for possible illegal conversions. Firing a semi-auto barreled weapon, with a semi-auto, stamped receiver, on full auto is just a good way to earn a quick trip to the hospital. Part of my frustration with the current gun-grabber craze is the fact that too many people see a civilian MAK-47 (semi auto) and think it has any *real* link to its military, full auto/select fire AK-47 cousin. I have a street legal car that looks almost identical to a full blown race car of the same model. But mine is not a *true* race car. Just like any (legal) civi AK is not a full blown military machine gun or "assault weapon" - by definition, an actual assault weapon has select fire capabilities: Sturmgewehr :bowdown: to the grandpa of them all.



Yeah, the Russian and the East Bloc AK models are the cream of the crop. They're more expensive and harder to come by now, but the workmanship and build quality tends to be higher than the Chinese models from Norinco and Polytechs. Most of these weapons aren't good for much but burning up cheap surplus ammo and plinking or maybe short range hunting. I took an AK as a brush gun many years ago and it was a damn effective deer rifle out to about 100 yards. And in the brush, you'll never get more than a 40-50 yard shot anyway. The short barrel and 7.63x39 round was good for that. But for "real hunting", I'll take a tuned Weatherby or Remington bolt gun any day over any of these lookalike, military wannabes. They're just fantasy, fun guns... in the right hands, of course.

The Matta's (spelling) from Egypt were the last of the TRUE Russian made weapons. When Regan bankrupt the Soviet Union, and caused them to sell of everything, to the people that we now fight...Russia dismantled, and shipped, then reassembled an entire factory...complete with Q.C. personal. Some of the Chinese made guns are ok, but really, no AK, no matter who makes it, is gonna be good for more then 100yds. They were designed after WWII, and were made for house to house combat...just like the under powered M4 our soldiers carry. The main thing with the Chinese versions, are the sights...you HAVE TO CHECK the sights, to see if they're on straight.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I am glad I don't have much interest in guns. I just bought my first handgun after 40 plus years of not owning one. I do have a concealed carry permit. Some kid was murdered a few months ago walking to his car after work for his Jimmy John's sub and 10 bucks it happened not far from my office so I decided to become a gun owner.

 

[assari]

How many of you know how to use a gun?

 

[Rey C.]

How many of you know how to use a gun?

Hmm... stand out there at about 800 yards while I load this Weatherby .338-.378 Mark V and we'll find out. And here, put this little beanie with a flag on your head so I can tell which way the wind is blowing.

Ready, steady... now run like a Finn with no pants on being chased by a horny, drunk Russian! :eek:

 

[assari]

Hmm... stand out there at about 800 yards while I load this Weatherby .338-.378 Mark V and we'll find out. And here, put this little beanie with a flag on your head so I can tell which way the wind is blowing.

Ready, steady... now run like a Finn with no pants on being chased by a horny, drunk Russian! :eek:

So you've never fired a gun? :1orglaugh

It seems that many people think that if they own a gun then they are safe, but it is simple as that...:dunno:

Drunken Russians is not dangerous because they can not stand.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Mariah must have had the bejeezus scared out of her and took her 74 to the scrap metal yard or is out lawyering up. All joking aside I hope she was just doing a little chest beating about her fully auto toy and how she acquired it.

 

[Rey C.]

So you've never fired a gun? :1orglaugh

Nope. Never have. Don't own one. Don't want one. Don't know a thing about them.

Guns are bad, m'kay? If you don't believe me, then ask your dad, m'kay?

Drunken Russians is not dangerous because they can not stand.

That's kind of what I'd be worried about: what if they're laying on you?! :eek:

Mariah must have had the bejeezus scared out of her and took her 74 to the scrap metal yard or is out lawyering up. All joking aside I hope she was just doing a little chest beating about her fully auto toy and how she acquired it.

Sometimes less said is better said.

 

[assari]

Nope. Never have. Don't own one. Don't want one. Don't know a thing about them.






That's kind of what I'd be worried about: what if they're laying on you?! :eek:

-So you dare to be at home and go to different places without that you have gun in your pocket.

*congratulations*

-Well, in that case I hope that they are not gay.

 

[Mariahxxx]

Mariah why are you resorting to name calling to Chopper? He only expressed how he would deal or has dealt with a home invasion. He lives in a country with very strict gun laws. He has always been very complimentary and supportive of you on your food thread too. Amazing that you would jump his shit like that.

I didn't jump on him???? wtf are you talking about? I was talking to Anonyne#017 and think your meds are making your mind muddy.

 

[Anonyne#017]

Mariah, I'm sorry if I have personally insulted you, which have not been my intention. I live in completely different kind of country located in Europe, where we don't apparently have same kind of problems as you have in US. I've lived in 2 completely different kind of countries both located in Europe, my cousins live in yet another country and never I personally or them have ever ended up with needing a weapon with little bit of common sense. It's has alway been those drunk people combined with their "self-defence" items, who has been most dangerous people I have ever met, even amongst some stereotypically violent groups.

I've been both bully and bullied in my past and never I saw one being such a meany person. I regret most in my life the time of being the bully, but all the rest have been purely my own choices. I have forgiven everyone I've ever hated a long time ago and live more openmindedly in belief "behave towards others the way you want them to behave towards you". You can call me a pussy if you want because I'm against weapons and keep hitting me if it makes you feel better, but never again will I hit others unless it's only way out...

 

[Mariahxxx]

What you are not getting is that in Europe most of the bad guys don't have guns either so it isn't necessary for the people to have them. But here in the US, guns are easier to get than drugs.

And as I've said before many many times, as long as the bad guys have them, the good guys have every right to have them. I think that anyone who owns a gun should have to register it, to have a license just as you would have to register a car.

You European guys aren't getting the reality of how often guns are used in crime here.

 

[Mariahxxx]

glad you liked the pics. I called the guy at my gun range who does repair work and he is going to restore my AK back to it's original semi auto state he said it's a lot more than just the pin and might even have to weld something All I know is that it's getting dropped off on Monday so by the time the NSA processes this message it'll be fixed and back to it's intended working order

 

[assari]

You European guys aren't getting the reality of how often guns are used in crime here.

I always knew that you Americans are gun crazy people.

It is your thing and guns are certainly an important part of your culture and history, but have you ever thought that your society might be much calmer and safer if you do not have those toys.