Israeli Attacks Gaza Strip, Killing 200+

[jamrak]

True, very true. But what most seem to have forgotten is that Israel has Palestinian land, and no one seems to care. That's the cause of the attacks. Palestinians have no armed forces, so to them, Hamas will do.

Which could go for the same if someone attacked Canada, the US assistance would help them greatly.

So you would like to call it a battle for territory? But it sounds like for you it's OK when Hamas attacks Israel, but extremely cruel, bad and violent for Israel to respond. Well, it won't work!

If Hamas affords themselves to use force to fight for the territory, they MUST accept any response. They start to use this language, so no wonder that other country replies them with the same words. Of course, Hamas would like to be the only one who can use rockets and bombs to achieve their aims. But this is baby talk.

If they want to talk, come on - talk. Negotiations or whatever. But they start to launch rockets, and bby doing that they say: we shit on you Israel. Why are they surprised when someone shits on them? what goes up must come down. simple.

 

[davey99]

You're right...I'm no match for your subtle yet scathing putdowns.
I wish I had the intellectual acumen you bring to your posts; I just try to get by best I can.

Anyway...aren't you here for the free porn?:banana:

And again, like I said, you have nothing to offer the debate. So, enjoy your porn.

 

[davey99]

So you would like to call it a battle for territory? But it sounds like for you it's OK to for Hamas to attack Israel, but extremely cruel, bad and violent for Israel to respond. Well, it won't work!

Yep, I agree. You take my land then expect a fight. You'd do the same if I bombed your neighbors then pulled you and your family out of your house.

 

[jamrak]

If someone is cool enough to start a fight, no matter who is right or wrong, this brave individual must be ready that the other side can deliver a very heavy kick to his face.

It is cheap when the fire starter, after got beaten, starts to cry about his innocence, and cry that the other guy is "cruel and angry". This is exactly what is going between Hamas and Israel.

Hamas thinks that it is their land. Hamas fight for it. But in that fight they recieved a very strong punch. And now they play a role of poor victims. I do not buy it. They know what they were jumping into. If a war, it's a war. Do not act like a pussy after you were dare enough to start it.

 

[bodie54]

Many of you may have already heard about this, but if not here's a short excerpt from a long interview with the son of a high profile Hamas leader. The full video will probably be available soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42-2tLQ5f0

Among other things, this former member of Hamas states "there is no chance" Hamas will ever seek peace with Israel.

OMG...a "US government blew up the Twin Towers" conspiracy theorist!

Yeah davey I've got to say you definitely undermined your credibility with the 9/11 conspiracy garbage.

 

[Philbert]

Being elected to office isn't a sacred thing...Hamas is a terrorist group, and they were elected by a desperate people who have almost no concept of the world outside.
They are bringing poverty and death to their people, and that is your idea of a legitimate governing body?
Not to mention their basic political method of killing, or maiming, their political rivals. Not exactly your typical democratically elected governing body.

Not even a slight similarity to the US or UK, or any actual country (which Gaza isn't).
You keep harping on the myth that Israel stole their land...just when did this happen?
And if this is so, shouldn't someone tell the million plus Palestinian Arabs living in Israel?
They seem to have land, property, rights, and businesses...did the Israelis just miss seeing them?
Maybe the Egyptians could help you out on this...they seem to have closed their border with the Gaza and won't let the population just come on over. Must be some reason...
Oh, I forgot...this is your thread now. The quality level of the discussion has risen .:clown:


Jamrak...you are completely wasting your time.

 

[davey99]

You have it backwards. Israel cries wolf, as they've done from the time they became independent in Palestinian land. It's amusing how you got that backwards to the point I laughed hysterically.

Although you may think I'm wrong, but then again, according to this war, the bad guy is right for stealing land then invading the rest of that land.

 

[davey99]

Being elected to office isn't a sacred thing...Hamas is a terrorist group, and they were elected by a desperate people who have almost no concept of the world outside.

Really? Without using Google or any search, what's the capital of Canada, Australia and Brazil?

 

[Facetious]

I'm assuming you're the type that believes Bin Laden did it and didn't have the help of the US to bomb itself to have a reason to justify an attack in the middle east

what ?

 

[Philbert]

Why? Were they discussing world capitols in school Friday, or are you trying to find out what kind of money they use in Canada, Australia, and Brazil?

 

[davey99]

Why? Were they discussing world capitols in school Friday, or are you trying to find out what kind of money they use in Canada, Australia, and Brazil?

Wow, was I talking to you? You still have no debate.

I'm guessing you've jerked off the reasoning out of your mind.

 

[Philbert]

Wow, was I talking to you?

Short term memory problem?

I'm guessing you've jerked off the reasoning out of your mind.

Now you're becoming incoherent.
You were funny for a while there, don't give up.
It's a conspiracy!:eek:

 

[davey99]

Short term memory problem?




Now you're becoming incoherent.
You were funny for a while there, don't give up.
It's a conspiracy!:eek:

Much like your debate. For the last 5-6 posts you've brought nothing but bullshit to the table. I'm surprised you have time in between jerkoff's to even reply.

Btw, your use of "smileys" shows how much shit comes out of your mouth.

 

[Philbert]

You sound upset...
You seem really fixated on jerking off...try not to think about it so much.
:rubbel: There...feel better now?

 

[davey99]

You sound upset...
You seem really fixated on jerking off...try not to think about it so much.
:rubbel: There...feel better now?

Again, you result to bullshit. I have one thing to say to you "heeeeehaaaaaw" followed by (the general lee horn)

 

[jamrak]

Jamrak...you are completely wasting your time.

I have a certain amount of time to spend here, so it's OK

Even understanding low possibility to convince somebody, I just want to see the logic of those who support Hamas. For me things are quite obvious, and I am really curious to know how can other side see things. Till that moment I did not find any decisive facts and arguments from them...

if it is as simple as a fight for the piece of the ground, with no place for morals - how can Hamas supporters talk about Israel been "violent"? Cuz Hamas itself neglects any moral rules.

If Hamas did not neglect moral rules, they would not afford themselves to attack civilians in Israel, neither with suicide bombers, no with rockets. But they did it many many times. And after that moment, Hamas have no right to play the role of unjustly offended and to cry about civilian victims in their country. It is eye for eye situation.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Anybody who defends hamas needs too take their heads out of their asses!! its been mentioned several times over!! HAMAS intiated the violence they can't let sleeping dogs lye!! they have too engage the violence!! btw the cowardly hamas regime purposely shields themselves in civilian strongholds, neighborhoods, schools, mosques, hospitals!! and Israel cuz they are THE ONLY JEWISH state in the region surrounded by all Arab states are detested cuz they have a state in the region!!

If ANY of rich Arab states in the region actually financially aided the Palestinians there would be no conflict!! the Palestinians HATE the Jews cuz the Jews can't trust the Palestinians thanx too suicide bombers waltzing into Israel.. and dare I bring up the blatant and frequent habit of indiscreetly firing missiles, mortars and other explosive device's too kill as many JEWS as humanly possible!!

I don't blame Israel for blocking of the Gaza strip or any other restricted zones they barricade or patrol to prevent terrorist attacks!! now back to that Arab / Islamic relief from all the other Arab states in the region!! if the other Arab states aided and supported the Palestinians they would not have ANYONE too be mad @ or hate cuz they are the poor and neglected terrorists!! all the other Arab states don't help their own Arab people who are suffering??? why is that??? all of the Arab states that make billions from oil profits can't aid their own poor people??? the Palestinians should HATE THEIR OWN FUCKIN PEOPLE FROM THE SURROUNDING RICH ARAB STATES IN THE REGION!!!!

Why shouldn't the USA support and aid ISRAEL when the whole middle east region hates and wants Israel erased from the map??? so ISRAEL can't have any allies??? besides like I said in another thread concerning this same subject!! RUSSIA and CHINA both aid, fund, support, trade, and correspond with KNOWN terrorist states in the middle east and all over the globe!! so why is the USA wrong too support ISRAEL???

Like it or not all of the Arab terrorist states receive their weapons from CHINA and RUSSIA and other states or countries with wealthy well formed military and weapons technology!!! so its wrong for is ISRAEL too have the USA??? anybody that sides with HAMAS / HEZBOLLAH who speak and act for the PALESTINIANS are full of shit and unbelievable hypocrites!!

 

[Ceska]

You keep harping on the myth that Israel stole their land...just when did this happen?

Gradually over time, but primarily in 1967 during the Six-Day War.
As a result, the United Nations on November 22, 1967 passed Resolution 242 requiring Israel to essentially withdraw its forces from the land conquered during that conflict and to return to the "1949 Armistice Line" known as the "Green Line". Israel has yet to comply.

Israel has offered to concede some occupied territory to create a Palestinian state, but refused to withdraw Israel back to its pre-1967 borders. In addition it has expanded settlement activity, some would say in a strategic manner.

Hamas responded that it would not recognize Israel unless the Jewish state pulls back to its 1967 borders.

Palestinans and many human rights groups are troubled by Israel's restriction of Palestinian movement and access to water resources even in those areas not under direct Israeli occupation.

Israel is concerned that if it returns land acquired during the 1967 conflict without at least being recognized they will simply be exposed to retaliatory expansion. They point to the occasions where Palestinians have not been able to control attacks by radicals even during previous cease-fire agreements as support for this reticence.

Subsequent UN Resolutions have primarily focused on ceasing hostilities and creating a framework for negotiations.

And if this is so, shouldn't someone tell the million plus Palestinian Arabs living in Israel?

The fact that there are Palestinians living within Israels borders does not automatically preclude the possibility for the existence of a Palestinian state. Just because there are Canadians living within the United States does not preclude the continued existence of Canada.



This thread has become an analogy of the Arab-Israeli conflict as opposed to any kind of solution to it.

Positions unlikely to change but rather become more extreme... tempers flare hotter and hotter ... personally targeted attacks directed to hurt the other person ... One can easily see from this microcosm example why the conflict has raged for so long ...

I am thankful that there are still people elsewhere working hard to reach a place of civility and common ground. I wish them all the success in the world.

 

[bodie54]

I am thankful that there are still people elsewhere working hard to reach a place of civility and common ground. I wish them all the success in the world.

What a shame none of them are members of Hamas, who aren't the least bit interested in anything of the sort.

 

[Funkwerkz]

Everybody but Palestinian people are benefitting from this raid.

Israel will get rid of Hamas in Gaza Strip and followed by a general operation in West Bank.

Oil prices jumped from $37 to $47 a barrel. Religious brothers "Arab states including Iran" who are oil exporters began to make more money again. Pretty shocking, eh?

USA's Mid-East project won't die. Obama's change fury will end in March and Bush's shit will keep living on Mid-East.

This unrest will spread to other sensitive regions of world such as Iraq and Afghanistan. US War Budget will feed weapon manufacturers and providers more.

Russia will benefit too. They can feed Hamas with more AK-47's. They found another business besides bothering financial crisis. The Russia in my sig is definitely a different Russia than the current one. Russia makes money from rising oil too.

Who else still hides Hamas in West Bank and Gaza Strip? Palestinian people!!! Why don't they pick up terrorists and give to Israel? Because of fucking stupid jihad stuff. Muslim ideology has collapsed in 1910s. Palestine has to pay the bill of feeding Hamas.

I feel very very sad for innocent people who were used as shield by Hamas. My prayers are with them.

See the big picture, this was fixed way earlier.