Israeli Attacks Gaza Strip, Killing 200+

[bandanoantri]

I won't even take into account how the state of Israel was born. But now the whole world can see that Israel is allowed to do whatever they want, and the United States sit back and do nothing, because Israel's actions always come under the name of fighting terrorists. Just today the US have vetoed that Israel will be called out by NATO for their actions.

It's kind of funny (of course it is not) when you think back on how the US administration reacted to Russia's invasion of Georgia.

But when you're fighting the war on terror everything is allowed and everything is possible. As I said, Israel can do whatever they please to do, and they even got masses of nuclear weapons. But hey, they're Israel, noone cares.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning any actions of Hamas or any terrorist group in the middle east or sleeper cells, but all that doesn't clear Isreal of killing thousands of civilians. But on the other hand that's not really a mystery, because Israel doesn't want to destroy Hamas completely, or even Al Qaida, then they wouldn't be able to wage war with those islamic extremists, and then they wouldn't be protected by the US.

Just one more thing, two years ago Israel killed a UN military man from my country and until this day there hasn't even been a statement by Israel. As I said, they can do whatever they want, sanctioned by the US.

But if they continue to increase attacks on Gaza and Palestine people, some day, the arabic world will rise up and counter attack Israel, and on that day World War III will have begun.

 

[Facetious]

90% of those dead to me do not look like military personel.


Shameful :nono:

Agreed, but don't you see a clever strategy in that ?
It's called martyrdom and apparently, it's good for effect.

Aside - Why is it that the other Arabic nations want little or nothing to do with the Palastinians ?
For why are they so unpopular in their own ethnic community ? Is it that they have a long history of not being able to handle their affairs ? Fatah may soon kick some ass and give birth to some respectability to the Palastinian people.

 

[davey99]

I won't even take into account how the state of Israel was born. But now the whole world can see that Israel is allowed to do whatever they want, and the United States sit back and do nothing, because Israel's actions always come under the name of fighting terrorists. Just today the US have vetoed that Israel will be called out by NATO for their actions.

It's like you took the words right out of my mouth.

And it's true what you said in the end of your post that one day they won't get away with attacking a country that has a democratically elected government, even if Hamas is a terrorist organization (as said by Israel...go figure)

Israel invaded on speculation of a small army of Hamas being organized, yet 400+ Palestinian civilians are dead. I'm sure it's bad aim...it must be that...right?

 

[davey99]

Agreed, but don't you see a clever strategy in that ?
It's called martyrdom and apparently, it's good for effect.

Kind of like how the US calls Iraqi civilians defending there homes an insurgency?

However if it were the other way around, we'd be called freedom fighters. Odd isn't it?

 

[BlueBalls]

Agreed, but don't you see a clever strategy in that ?
It's called martyrdom and apparently, it's good for effect.

I do not agree with that at all, I seriously doubt any of them stood infront of the bombs to be martyr's. I mean seriously if all of those people were members of Hamas in plain cloths wouldnt that just be a waste of good martyr's, if they were members of Hamas (they arent) wouldnt they best serve "the cause" by blowing themselves up on an Isreali bus?

Besides their were children dead in that clip. These were mostly innocents.



I'll wait for someone to tell me that no Palistinian is "innocent"

 

[davey99]

For why are they so unpopular in their own ethnic community ? Is it that they have a long history of not being able to handle their affairs ?

The actually condone the attacks. What do you expect them to do? Attack Israel then have them cry to the US and then watch the bombs drop all over them? Nobody can compete with the Israeli army and airforce in the middle east, why? The US, the only friend Israel has is the US to supply them with weapons to fight what the US can't control...the middle east, hence why Israel gets away with murder, literally.

Also, why doesn't any Arabian country support Israel? That's right! They stole Palestinian land with the diplomatic help of the West.

It would be the same if Canada sided with Iran, and the US started lining there tanks along the border.

 

[Facetious]

I do not agree with that at all, I seriously doubt any of them stood infront of the bombs to be martyr's.

Martyrs by default then. Would that suffice ?

All said, there is no coexistent future for these two . . . as if this is news.
Maybe if the world would simply stop paying so much attention to these two, they could maybe settle their differences all by themselves . . . but wait ! it won't be long, as the Iranian weapons grade enrichment program is near completion. Just proxy-out a few nuke car bombs or tip a 1/2 a dozen crude rockets anonymously and the whole f'en world will be in the lock down mode.

. . .can't wait for that !:nono:

 

[LBP 76]

I do not agree with that at all, I seriously doubt any of them stood infront of the bombs to be martyr's. I mean seriously if all of those people were members of Hamas in plain cloths wouldnt that just be a waste of good martyr's, if they were members of Hamas (they arent) wouldnt they best serve "the cause" by blowing themselves up on an Isreali bus?

Besides their were children dead in that clip. These were mostly innocents.



I'll wait for someone to tell me that no Palistinian is "innocent"

Great logic.

 

[Philbert]

What are you talking about? They don't wipe their asses with their hands.
Are you deliberately spreading misinformation or are you just ignorant?
They use toilet paper, then they wash themselves down there with water and then they wash their hands.

The following is Islamic toilet etiquette:

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_toilet_etiquette

You are so lame it's scary.
You use Wiki for a source...even they said "This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (November 2006)".

You are an annoying little boy, full of yourself and misinformation.

I spent years in the Middle East and North Africa, and I'll go out on a limb here and state the internet is the closest you've ever been to another country.
Do you still live with your parents?
Get out of the house...put down the mouse and see some real life. Maybe then you can carry on a grown-up conversation.

 

[Philbert]

Here's a vid presentation I found with some pretty accurate data...

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/What_Really_Happened_in_the_Middle_East.asp

Easily verifiable dates and data. Pretty damned accurate...

 

[LBP 76]

You are so lame it's scary.
You use Wiki for a source...even they said "This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (November 2006)".

Not the best source, I agree. But it was the easiest source to link. I'll provide more if you like.

But first, let's see your 'source'.

Do you still live with your parents?

No, they died years ago.

 

[LBP 76]

Here's a vid presentation I found with some pretty accurate data...

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/What_Really_Happened_in_the_Middle_East.asp

Easily verifiable dates and data. Pretty damned accurate...

This is from Jewish World?

That's your idea of an unbised information source?

 

[bodie54]

Well, here are some unbiased, straight up facts derived directly from the covenant (or charter) of Hamas:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

 

[davey99]

Well, here are some unbiased, straight up facts derived directly from the covenant (or charter) of Hamas:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
"

Can we say the same about Christianity? Or does that hit home too hard for us?

I mean, we're trying to spread our ideals/beliefs in Iraq as we speak and that doesn't work...why you ask? Because think about it, "if you invade my land, I'll retaliate" It's freaking common sense, something the world seems to have lost...enough said.

 

[Philbert]

Between Israel’s evacuation of Gaza and the election of Hamas (Aug. 15, 2005 - Jan. 25, 2006), there was an average of over 15 rocket and mortar attacks a month.

Between Hamas’ election and Hamas’ forceful takeover of the Strip (Jan. 25, 2006 - June 14, 2007), there was an average of over 102 attacks per month -- an over 650% increase.

Between Hamas’ takeover and the start of the Tahadiya (State of Calm), (June 14, 2007 - June 16, 2008), there was an average of over 361 attacks per month -- an increase of an additional 350%.

On Nov. 4-5, Israel launched Operation "Double Challenge", targeting a tunnel Hamas was building as part of a plan to kidnap Israeli soldiers.
From the end of Operation "Double Challenge" until the end of the Tahadiya,
(Nov. 4 - Dec. 19, 2008) a period of only a month and a half, there were 170 mortars, 255 Qassams, and 5 Grads fired upon Israel’s civilian population centers.

Since the end of the Tahadiya (Dec. 19, 2008) until the beginning of Operation "Cast Lead," (Dec. 27, 2008) a period of little more than a week, there were approximately 300 mortars and rockets fired onto Israel.

Which is to say, Hamas deserved an ass-kicking.

- Utterly predictable Hamas response:
Hamas officials called on Palestinians to rise up against Israel with suicide attacks and vowed to make Gaza "a graveyard" for Israeli soldiers.
Right. Holed up in their bunkers, Hamas leaders vow to fight to the last Palestinian civilian.

...from "The Other McCain" blog site

 

[davey99]

maybe settle their differences all by themselves . . . but wait ! it won't be long, as the Iranian weapons grade enrichment program is near completion. Just proxy-out a few nuke car bombs or tip a 1/2 a dozen crude rockets anonymously and the whole f'en world will be in the lock down mode.

. . .can't wait for that !:nono:

Ok, you keep trashing Iran, it's obvious you watch too much CNN which is biased to Iran for having more resources then the States.

Firstly, for Israel and the Palestinians to settle by themselves would involve all of the Middle East bombing the shit out of Israel, why? Because they would if it wasn't for the US.

Secondly, Iran has the same reason to create nuclear power as we do? Why are we special? How did we become the controllers of the "free" world?? They build nuclear power as do we, it's the cleanest form of energy as long as you know how to dispose of the waste.

And yes, it can create nuclear bombs, are you surprised that they are? I mean, the US has 16 000 nuclear warheads, Russia has 22, 000 and Iran NONE as we speak. Yet you don't say shit about Russia, why? Because they can fuck us up! And that's the point, picking on the guy that can't do anything to protect himself.



And to Philbert: I'd do the exact same if someone stole my land and kicked me out. How can people forget that???? Tell me, indulge me, I'd love to know. If I came to Texas with 100 000 men and kicked you all out and said "this is my land" I'm sure your Texan blood would constantly attack to get your shit back.

 

[Philbert]

Not the best source, I agree. But it was the easiest source to link. I'll provide more if you like.

But first, let's see your 'source'.
No, they died years ago.

OK, I'll rephrase my post...

"You are so lame it's scary.
You use Wiki for a source...even they said "This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (November 2006)".

You are an annoying little boy, full of yourself and misinformation.

I spent years in the Middle East and North Africa, and I'll go out on a limb here and state the internet is the closest you've ever been to another country.
Get out of the house...put down the mouse and see some real life. Maybe then you can carry on a grown-up conversation. "

This is from Jewish World?

That's your idea of an unbised information source?

OK, I'll type slowly...
" Here's a vid presentation I found with some pretty accurate data...

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/What_Really_Happened_in_the_Middle_East.asp

Easily verifiable dates and data. Pretty damned accurate... "

Unbiased was never mentioned or suggested...only accurate, as in correct and true. Where did "unbiased" come from? Do you hear voices, or is this an attempt to make yourself look stern and disapproving?
I mean...you are so close minded and biased on this subject, and you so far have dug up some info from Wiki, which even they had to point out is unverified and sourceless. Like you caught me using a biased source...eek!:rofl:

 

[davey99]

No offense Phil, but using a Jewish site to show that Israel is right is like trapping someone who doesn't agree with Israel and then calling them an anti smite because the info you gave is from a religious view.


And you're link doesn't work.

Also, you're link is the equivalent of myself believing there are WMD's in Iraq, when it's proven they are not.

Once again, keep the word "Jew" out of this, unless you're wanting to trap people and make them look anti "jew".

Jew is a religion, this war is about land. Which if you look at history, belongs to the Palestinians. How hard is that to look up, it's fact for fuck sake!

 

[LBP 76]

Latest death toll:

Palestinians - 512
Israeli - 4

If America had exacted the same kind or revenge for the 3,000 killed on 9/11 that the Israeli's are inflicting on the Gazans then the U.S. would have to kill 384,000 people.


I used to have great admiration for Israel and all that it had accomplished. How it fought against huge odds for it's very survival from literally enemies all around.

Now it's gone from being bullied to being the bully.

They have and continue to commit crimes against humanity while it's people cheer their troops on with rally's in the streets.
Cheer as they bomb and shell cities and murder innocent civilians by the hundreds.

Israel has lost it's way. It has become what it once feared. And if it doesn't stop this cruelty and brutality it will surely pay in ways that it can't at present imagine.

Tonight, I feel an emotion for Israel that I have never felt before: shame.

 

[LBP 76]

OK, I'll rephrase my post...

Still no remotely unbiased source/proof for another one of your accusations Philbert?

What a shock.



But I digress, back to the Gaza...