If a God Exists.......

[Nokternal]

If God exists and he is omnipotent, that doesn't mean that just because he could do anything, he should. (BTW I use "he" a lot but obviously such an entity would not have a gender like us, and using "it" just sounds weird). Its like the case of a person's free will to defy God. Does this certainly mean that God cannot control a person's will and therefore is not omni-potent? No, it just means he chooses not to. Some would even say it is against his nature, since controlling a person in such a way would be considered malevolent.

So this shows there are things God will not do. Maybe by looking into the box which he created in such a way that he could not look into, the universe is destroyed. But you also have to admit, all these "Can God (blank) so that even he could not (blank)" questions are paradoxical in nature. It reminds me of the question: Can a man go back in time and kill his own grandfather? Many people would ask this and conclude since its impossible, that time travel cannot happen. To me, its inconclusive and does not suggest any sort of time travel cannot be achieved.

You may just be the smartest person on this thread. See this is the kind of thing I am looking for, intelligent philosophizing. I love when some one comes up with an intelligent argument rather than just saying.. "Your logic is the most infuriating thing I have ever seen.. I can't get around it.. but I am going to deny it anyway just because I don't like you for being so maddeningly logical! Why if I ever get my hands on you..." :rofl:
See people pornophile realizes that even though he and I don't agree with each others views on this subject doesn't mean the needs to be a full scale jihad up in this thread. We can be mature and friendly while disagreeing. It is called debate. If I knew pornophile in real life I would probably ask him if he wanted to go pick uo a twelve pack and go fishing so we could talk about some of the other mysteries of life. He sounds like a very interesting person. Not sure I can say the same about you Vlad19..

Any way back to the topic, pornophile you are right, it is a paradoxical question, and it is designed to have no answer that doesn't prove my point. But it works. Whether he should not, or will not, are not part of the given equation and cant simply be added in to give relevance to them. In this particular problem there is only capable and incapable. It is mostly a rhetorical question anyway, as it has only one correct answer.

If I ever get my hands on you in real life..

Flirting will get you everywhere :lovecoupl

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Aren't you supposed to be killing ragheads?

 

[Nokternal]

Aren't you supposed to be killing ragheads?

What's a rag head? Like, a Muppet? :2offtopic

 

[mrtrebus]

Do I see "intelligent design" in nature? Yes.

Elaborate please. . .

 

[fake_ono]

... you are right, it is a paradoxical question, and it is designed to have no answer that doesn't prove my point.

It is mostly a rhetorical question anyway, as it has only one correct answer.

why do you want us to try to prove (or disprove) a rhetorical question anyway???


the answers is: if he does, who fucking cares. :yinyang:

im gonna live my life the way i want, consequences be damned! :nanner:


flylicker

 

[fake_ono]

What's a rag head? Like, a Muppet?

yeah... muppets w/ :ak47:

maybe you should ask one of 'them' if there is a god and why their god is right(eous)
so, not really offtopic :thefinger

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Aren't you supposed to be killing ragheads?

What's a rag head? Like, a Muppet? :2offtopic

The little asswipe tried to neg rep me to this.

 

[mrtrebus]

I always contest that Atheism is in fact an faith . . . they have yet to prove a thing.


jus sayin :dunno:

Wrong. Atheism isn't out to prove anything.

 

[Nokternal]

Vlad19 take a Zanax damn. I have not attacked you once, yet you continuously harass my posts. You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe. Stop attacking me for it. It's childish and adults are trying to have a conversation.

Wrong. Atheism isn't out to prove anything.

Correct. There is a huge difference between an Atheist and an Anti-theist. Most people are ignorant of this fact though.

 

[Nokternal]

For me to believe something exists, there must be proof of its existence.
I don't believe in the Lochness Monster just because there is no proof that it doesn't exist.
And most people would agree it would be silly to truly put my faith into the existence of it with out a shred of proof. If I argued "Well you can't prove that Nessy DOESN'T exist, so therefore it does!" people would think of me as the village nut head, or worse.
The same principle goes for God.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

How come whenever it comes to a debate about God, atheists always come off as being totally obnoxious and narrow-minded?

 

[Ace Bandage]

I'll never understand why people try so hard to convince others to see religion the same way that they do. Has anyone on FreeOnes ever actually changed their viewpoint after one of these discussions? That would be a no.

Dave Barry said it best: People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them.

 

[pornophile]

For me to believe something exists, there must be proof of its existence.
I don't believe in the Lochness Monster just because there is no proof that it doesn't exist.
And most people would agree it would be silly to truly put my faith into the existence of it with out a shred of proof. If I argued "Well you can't prove that Nessy DOESN'T exist, so therefore it does!" people would think of me as the village nut head, or worse.
The same principle goes for God.

Sometimes proof is not necessary to verify something, though it would help a lot. But take for example the question of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Many scientists will tell you that the universe is abundant with life, perhaps thousands or millions of civilizations exist. Do they have any proof of this at all? No, they base this assumption on the probability of life arising elsewhere in the universe. The fact remains that there is not a shred of evidence that suggests life exists elsewhere. But its a big probability.

Then again, some scientists think that humans are the only lifeforms in the entire universe and claim that if aliens did exist, we would have heard of them by now. They are the equivalent of extreme atheists who deny all possibility of God.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Vlad19 take a Zanax damn. I have not attacked you once, yet you continuously harass my posts. You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe. Stop attacking me for it. It's childish and adults are trying to have a conversation

Hey asshole your in my rep section trying to neg rep me. But your just too fuckin stupid to know you need a certain amount of posts and your own rep to do it. Stay out of my profile punk.

 

[Nokternal]

Hey asshole your in my rep section trying to neg rep me. But your just too fuckin stupid to know you need a certain amount of posts and your own rep to do it. Stay out of my profile punk.

If I have to keep replying to your posts I will have plenty of rep in no time lol.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

If I have to keep replying to your posts I will have plenty of rep in no time lol.

Wrong, ya gotta earn the rep. I just don't see that happening anytime soon.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Jesus, Mary, Muhammad, Hitler, and Socrates on a floundering raft surrounded by BP oil. Everyone calm the fuck down. Have a discussion, if you like, but don't take this shit so seriously! This is a porn forum. You're having a discussion about God. Did you come here expecting people to agree?

Enjoy the fight, but don't be so damn cheese encrusted goat balls serious.

 

[mrtrebus]

Jesus, Mary, Muhammad, Hitler, and Socrates on a floundering raft surrounded by BP oil. Everyone calm the fuck down. Have a discussion, if you like, but don't take this shit so seriously! This is a porn forum. You're having a discussion about God. Did you come here expecting people to agree?

Enjoy the fight, but don't be so damn cheese encrusted goat balls serious.

Take thine own advice sir.
Take.
Thine.
Own.
Advice.
Sir.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Take thine own advice sir.
Take.
Thine.
Own.
Advice.
Sir.

No, I'm going to fucking rip your face off. You smelly pirate hooker. Eat my saggy left...

Yeah. fuck it. I don't care. You can all smell rotten beaver. :wave:

 

[Trident1]

How come whenever it comes to a debate about God, atheists always come off as being totally obnoxious and narrow-minded?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


They do get angry vewy qwickly.