Has McCain thrown in the towel on the race?

[titsrock]

Would the Conservatives/McCainers please tell me what exactly John McCain will be doing to help bang out a bailout bill? He suspended his campaign this afternoon but did not feel the need to fly to Washington DC today in order to be ready to roll up his sleeves and get cracking by 10AM EST.

Do you Conservatives realize McCain is not on the Finance Committee and will not be in the actual meetings with Paulson/Bernacke/the Committee? If John wants to attend the meetings, he'll have to sit in the audience, where, as a matter of committee decorum, he has no ability to be "heard" or "speak." He might as well have cancelled his appearances and sat in front of CSPAN. That would be a more productive use of his time.

Same goes for Obama. He's not on the committee. He can hang out in the lobby of the Capitol Building and wait around for the news...but that's about it.

President Bush did a nice, but meaningless gesture, in inviting McCain and Obama to meet in the White House tomorrow afternoon. Nice, but useless. Unless Bush intends to keep Obama and McCain sequestered in the White House for days..they could all "hang out with Bush" and yet fly down to make the Debate.

Of course both Senators will do their duty--vote on an important bill. But that's the key word...V O T E ! They can do that in 5 minutes.

McCain's campaign is an out of control trainwreck and this "scheme" to "suspend the campaign" is a desperate grab at "respectability" given his horrific positioning on the Meltdown for the past 9 days...he's gone from Herbert Hoover to Jimmy Hoffa to Lt McCain "ejecting" from his crashing campaign plane (metaphorically speaking)....

I'm just fascinated that the McCain Campaign is in a freefall, meltdown and the Conservative supporters are acting like today's events are the clear thinking of a "leader"?:dunno:

Does McCain want to be a Senator or a President? Because he's not doing a good job proving that he can handle the pressures of the presidency. Which country or dictator will grant McCain a "timeout" to deal with a difficult situation if McCain becomes President? Is McCain mentally stable enough to handle more than 1 problem?

I suggest that McCain start training for the Presidency by...walking...AND chewing gum. If he can show the American People that he can, indeed, walk AND chew gum, perhaps he can handle debating about more than one issue:dunno:

 

[Facetious]

America prior

 

[YMIHERE]

You mean Pre-Columbian or Antebellum America or what?

 

[titsrock]

I'm off to blow off 100 rds of .45 Acp now ! The range is open 'till midnight *if they haven't folded yet*. wanna go ? :nanner:

Ah, yes. When the going gets tough..the tough go cling to their guns...:dunno: Perhaps you can mix in a a driveby appearance in your pastor's confessional?

Is America supposed to be a confederation of independent states or a single country? Give me your honest answer to that.

It's getting "lame" to hear Conservatives bitch and moan about high taxes and entitlements when, if you talk to Republicans, than they actually want most of the entitlements that exist today--things like Medicare and Social Security. Is it Obama's fault that it's inconvenient that private enterprise and corporate America are proving to be sham stewards of their own businesses and incapable of providing the "relief" to these entitlements that the Pubs claim to want?

"Free Market Capitalism" under Republicans circa 2000, is turning out to be just as expensive at Socialism. Perhaps we should look at introducing more ACTUAL socialistic principles into America. We'd all get more out of it, in the end....:thefinger

 

[ChefChiTown]

Whose "we", the anti-business structured public schools ?

"We" is our country; The United States of America.

I don't care if it's government officials, random politicians, financial experts, public school teachers or parents...somebody needs to teach people how to spend their money and not just waste it.

I am sick and tired of people bitching and moaning about having no money, then, immediately going out to the bar, or ordering a pizza, or buying new jeans. The way that "we" spend our money in this country is absolute ridiculous and that is the big problem here. Not the government's structure, not big, evil corporations...us; "WE" are the problem.

If you eliminated every single gun and knife from the world, it wouldn't stop the killing. Why? Because "we" are the problem, nothing else.

 

[YMIHERE]

"We" is our country; The United States of America.

I don't care if it's government officials, random politicians, financial experts, public school teachers or parents...somebody needs to teach people how to spend their money and not just waste it.

I am sick and tired of people bitching and moaning about having no money, then, immediately going out to the bar, or ordering a pizza, or buying new jeans. The way that "we" spend our money in this country is absolute ridiculous and that is the big problem here. Not the government's structure, not big, evil corporations...us; "WE" are the problem.

If you eliminated every single gun and knife from the world, it wouldn't stop the killing. Why? Because "we" are the problem, nothing else.

We have meet the enemy and he is us. - Pogo

 

[tubuler]

Gotta give my :2 cents: on this topic.

McCain suspending his campaign and saying he's not going to debate this friday is a clear sign that he doesn't want to face tough questions right now. The McCain/Palin camp is doing all they can to shelter their candidates from any kind of questioning from the media. They know that the less they have to talk about meaningful and substantive issues the less of a chance they have of making themselves look clueless or out of touch.

This move has nothing to do with McCain's concern about the economy. It's all about political strategy. He wants to change the dialogue of the campaign and "stop the bleeding" as they say. This move is designed to do just that and it is also a lame attempt to look "presidential".

Bottom line. He isn't fooling anyone. Most people can see right through this bullshit just like they could see through the Palin VP pick. McCain is just playing politics. Simple as that.

Finally, if McCain doesn't show up for that debate friday, it's gonna make him look like a massive pussy.

 

[Railway]

Finally, if McCain doesn't show up for that debate friday, it's gonna make him look like a massive pussy.

Nicely said. Looks like he'll turn into a massive pussy at this rate... he's borderline with becoming it. This whole Wall Street crisis has not been good for him, at least it's exposing what he does under stress.

He can't handle shit.

 

[Galactic]

I hate to say it, but this could be a very calculated, brilliant move. Don't get me wrong, my fellow FreeOnes enthusiasts.....it seems as though most of the posters here are pro-Obama, and I would classify myself as such. But, McCain is a crafty old S.O.B., and I think this latest move shows how much.

He has essentially put Obama in kind of a check mate. If Obama says no way, we have the debate on time, and does not head out to Washington to help with the crisis, it could be said that he is putting himself ahead of the country, and his personal goals ahead of the economy.

On the other hand, if he agrees, and goes to D.C. to help out, it will look like McCain had the great idea first, and now Obama is just trying to save face, and is following in the.......Maverick's........(I choke a little every time I hear someone call that old fuck that) footsteps.

Either way, the republican camp has Obama exactly where they want him, and now it doesn't matter what he does......they, the Republicans, will be able to spin it either way.

By the way, since we are on the topic of political figures, I will go ahead and say what I have been keeping to myself, at least here on these forums, as everyone else has had a lot to say about her. I can't stand Palin. I can't stand her voice. I do not think she is hot. Not even a little bit. Her fundamentalism scares me. I think she was used as a ploy to steal attention and the spotlight away from the Obama camp. All of sudden, everyone is talking about the hockey mom. Her joke and speech were terrible. And if I have to see that fake smile stretched across her hideous face one more time.....

But I digress. While at first it may look like McCain and Co. are delaying the inevitable, or running scared, and I do think they are nervous about debating with a great orator, I think there is more going on below the surface than we are seeing right now, and it will be interesting to see how Obama and his peeps react.

Hopefully not with another lipstick comment. *slaps forehead*

 

[Facetious]

X-tra X-tra . . . Remember that executive order from about a year ago, pertaining to the suspension of elections ?

"President Bush is preparing to declare an Economic Emergency during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be indefinitely suspended."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEmuXzUpjg0

:dunno:

:ban:

 

[Philbert]

X-tra X-tra . . . Remember that executive order from about a year ago, pertaining to the suspension of elections ?

"President Bush is preparing to declare an Economic Emergency during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be indefinitely suspended."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEmuXzUpjg0

:dunno:

:ban:

No, I don't have any knowledge of an Executive order suspending the US Constitution and the Presidential Elections. (Like the song "Love and Marriage" says, you can't have one w/out the other.)
Can you post something more specific than a Russian whack job and his anti-US tirade on U Tube?
When was this election-suspending Executive order issued, and why do we all think there is an election coming in November?

("Put down the crack pipe, and move away slowly..."):rofl:

Would the Conservatives/McCainers please tell me what exactly John McCain will be doing to help bang out a bailout bill? He suspended his campaign this afternoon but did not feel the need to fly to Washington DC today in order to be ready to roll up his sleeves and get cracking by 10AM EST.

Do you Conservatives realize McCain is not on the Finance Committee and will not be in the actual meetings with Paulson/Bernacke/the Committee? If John wants to attend the meetings, he'll have to sit in the audience, where, as a matter of committee decorum, he has no ability to be "heard" or "speak." He might as well have cancelled his appearances and sat in front of CSPAN. That would be a more productive use of his time.

Same goes for Obama. He's not on the committee. He can hang out in the lobby of the Capitol Building and wait around for the news...but that's about it.

President Bush did a nice, but meaningless gesture, in inviting McCain and Obama to meet in the White House tomorrow afternoon. Nice, but useless. Unless Bush intends to keep Obama and McCain sequestered in the White House for days..they could all "hang out with Bush" and yet fly down to make the Debate.

Of course both Senators will do their duty--vote on an important bill. But that's the key word...V O T E ! They can do that in 5 minutes.

McCain's campaign is an out of control trainwreck and this "scheme" to "suspend the campaign" is a desperate grab at "respectability" given his horrific positioning on the Meltdown for the past 9 days...he's gone from Herbert Hoover to Jimmy Hoffa to Lt McCain "ejecting" from his crashing campaign plane (metaphorically speaking)....

I'm just fascinated that the McCain Campaign is in a freefall, meltdown and the Conservative supporters are acting like today's events are the clear thinking of a "leader"?:dunno:

Does McCain want to be a Senator or a President? Because he's not doing a good job proving that he can handle the pressures of the presidency. Which country or dictator will grant McCain a "timeout" to deal with a difficult situation if McCain becomes President? Is McCain mentally stable enough to handle more than 1 problem?

I suggest that McCain start training for the Presidency by...walking...AND chewing gum. If he can show the American People that he can, indeed, walk AND chew gum, perhaps he can handle debating about more than one issue:dunno:

If you need help thinking things through, I guess I can help here, although I'm not one of that group you are refering to. You don't wear a foil cap by any chance, do you?
John McCain is the Presidential nominee, ostensibly the top of the Republican ticket. The election may see him become President of the US, so he actually has the attention of the Republican lawmakers. Follow that so far?
Same for BH Obama...
So, onsite discussions and meetings, as well as phone or email or smoke signals, can produce results outside of the actual voting. Pressure on the group from an influential player, namely the possible future Leader of the Party.
"John McCain can deliver the Republicans."...Dick Morris. Quite true.
So, a crisis like this is something that can be solved, and the crisis is not outside the US, but right here in DC, and it is a labor intensive crisis, not a momentary flareup in Assholeistan.
When the markets begin tanking due to no capital available for lending, etc., and Obama is sitting there in Mississippi waiting for a debate, there will be a clear picture of B H Obama's leadership skills and their non-existence.
It's looking better already for the deal to be finished on time to be effective...if McCain is off base and not needed that will be seen as clearly.
I will wait for "the Conservatives/McCainers" to respond and clear it up even more for you. I am just a free thinker watching the show.

 

[Tarface]

That the "titsrock" long post and the "tubuler" post and you have my opinion. McCain can't do anything in going to Washington, so it kinda just hints at him trying to stall. His entire campaign has been nothing but stalling and getting the media to talk about non-issues like "lipstick on a pig." We all know McCain doesn't know shit about economics. Hell, the man said so from his own mouth.

...but, you know, show up and give that "moral support!" instead of showing the "support" in a prime time slot in front of 100 million viewers...

Goddamn, I hope these forums have an ignore feature 'cause Philbert is going on it.

 

[Facetious]

No, I don't have any knowledge of an Executive order suspending the US Constitution and the Presidential Elections.

FWIW

You do understand that "the post" was entirely satirical. . . ? . . ..good

 

[Facetious]

No, I don't have any knowledge of an Executive order suspending the US Constitution and the Presidential Elections.

FWIW

You do understand that "the post" was entirely satirical. . . ? . . ..good.

While at first it may look like McCain and Co. are delaying the inevitable, or running scared, and I do think they are nervous about debating with a great orator . . .],

Not w/out his teleprompter, he's not.
He's even offered us something about "his muslim faith", without the slightest hesitation.

(Geo. Step. interview)

 

[Philbert]

FWIW

You do understand that "the post" was entirely satirical. . . ? . . ..good

You got me...I do now.
You always seemed so...rational... before. I was puzzled...now I just feel silly.
Sorry.
I read the E.Order...scary stuff for scary times. Like for a nuke in L.A. ...

That the "titsrock" long post and the "tubuler" post and you have my opinion. McCain can't do anything in going to Washington, so it kinda just hints at him trying to stall. His entire campaign has been nothing but stalling and getting the media to talk about non-issues like "lipstick on a pig." We all know McCain doesn't know shit about economics. Hell, the man said so from his own mouth.

...but, you know, show up and give that "moral support!" instead of showing the "support" in a prime time slot in front of 100 million viewers...

Goddamn, I hope these forums have an ignore feature 'cause Philbert is going on it.

You seem to have found the "ignore" button offline as well. Goddamn.:rofl:

 

[DreamSparrow]

Are people so gullible as to think that they're so busy that they can't spare a few hours to debate the issues? Really??

This move was taken because:

a) McCain was covering up the Rick Davis scandal which would have caused him considerable shame for at least a few days,
b) Obama had been making considerable progress (9 points ahead in a WP/ABC poll),
c) Obama had asked McCain to make a bipartisan statement on the economic crisis, and McCain decided to manipulate the situation by stealing Obama's thunder,
d) McCain knows he would have no hope of defeating Obama in a debate on crucial economic issues.

 

[sammy402002]

McCain is earning his taxpayer salary,as will be Obama,I hope.-These guys are not paid as Senators to campaign.They are paid to do their jobs for the people.Both are powerful men with a responsibility to be involved in the attempt to fix the biggest economic mess we have ever seen.The "world" is watching how we handle this mess that could destroy their economies too.I do not believe that politics as usual during this world crisis is appropriate.I expect both men to get their asses involved and do their damn jobs.They should put the good of the nation above the good of their campaigns.--Has McCain thrown in the towel on the race?-I don't think so.Has Obama thrown in the towel on the economy?-I hope not.I really don't believe Obama wants to be elected president of a nation in economic depression.Both these guys have to put this above their personal agenda and be "directly" involved in dealing with this massive and dangerous economic problem.Shaking hands and giving speeches in Florida is not going to fix this.These so called "leaders" should be going side by side to Washington to do their damn jobs!

 

[AFA]

Well, the real culprit here is the out of control culture we live in. Gotta have it now, on credit, get as much as you can and too bad about everyone and everything else. That greed in the US is the result of constant obsession with money and possessions.

A lot of people thought they would become the land barons of the 2000's because the real estate market was in a hot cycle, they thought they could buy and flip for a quick killing on even 5 or 6 overpriced homes and were well in over their heads before the prices fell. I had several arguements with people looking to invest their life savings on vacant land at 4x it's price two years before that because were convinced they would quadruple they money again in another two years.

Others, who should have known better bought the biggest house they could get on interest only mortgages, while paying for two new cars, kids and a dog named Spot on a joint income of :dunno: $30,000?

I blame the culture for the mess regarding real estate and the mortgage brokers giving loans to everyone for their own motives of greed.

This process has taken about 7 years to get to the point it's at now. In the meantime there is a $3T war in Iraq that the majority of American's disagree with, a good number of whom feel the masses were spun into believing had purpose. There is also a trade deficit with Japan and China at a total of about $2T. Those issues are not being addressed as this week's news is bailing out more banks which reaks of the Savings and Loan scandal of the 80's of which McCain, (and the Bush familiy), were also a part.

There is no backup supply of money in the US, it's all debt which has increased drastically by way of the current administration. Without the bad judgement that got us that way in past years, this would be something less than the straw that broke the camels back. The point is not to get someone in to break that cycle with poor judgement over the next 4 years.

The political ads are a joke. I can't believe the joke writers really feel that Americans are that stupid, shallow and uninvolved with history, but then again, they are!

 

[No_Man]

McCain is stalling. Picking an inexperienced running mate at the last minute successfully stole the show from Obama for a few weeks, but now he needs to get her caught up. Half the significant policy points she won't address, and the other half they don't completely agree upon. But as long as they're both out on the campaign trail, she's going to spend as much time memorizing speeches as she is memorizing their foreign policy positions. They needed a break, and this looks a hell of a lot better than simply saying, "Hey, we need to go give Gov. Palin a crash course in international diplomacy before the VP debate. Be back in a few days."

 

[Philbert]

2003...Barney Frank(D) scoffed at the Bush Admins alarm at FM/FMs size and potential for economic diaster, and praised the corps; pushed for more low cost loans for 1st time homebuyers.
2004...Schumer(D) praises FM/FM and blocks any attempt to create any oversight of the giants.
2005...McCain sponsors a bill to create an oversight committee to rein in FM/FM and control the bad loans even then being passed out like candy, and other shaky lending pyramids. The bill is defeated in the Senate.
2006-2008 all attempts to rein in the lenders are blocked, vast amounts of money given to lawmakers by the lending giants; #2 recipient of Fannie Mae/FreddieMac contributions runs as Democratic Presidential nominee, Nancy Pelosi blames Bush admin for entire crisis, McCain accused of being anti-regulation. House of Cards collapses, US is in deep kimchi.