Has McCain thrown in the towel on the race?

[AFA]

My impression from early on, was McCain always seemed to want to put himself in a position of taking the lead and then make an issue of Obama not doing what he directed was the thing to do. I actually don't blame Obama for backing away from that or the earlier town meeting events, and now this financial debacle.

Almost like saying if you're a true American, (according to your interpretation), you will do X, Y or Z and then you try to lead the way, although I really think that's just to get control of the situation, while posing a distraction to the Obama campaign.

It's like the famous words, "If you're not with us, you're against us", which isn't true, and very simplistic. It just puts people in a tight spot, like "Do you still beat your wife?" :dunno:

 

[don_equis]

My impression from early on, was McCain always seemed to want to put himself in a position of taking the lead and then make an issue of Obama not doing what he directed was the thing to do. I actually don't blame Obama for backing away from that or the earlier town meeting events, and now this financial debacle.

Almost like saying if you're a true American, (according to your interpretation), you will do X, Y or Z and then you try to lead the way, although I really think that's just to get control of the situation, while posing a distraction to the Obama campaign.

It's like the famous words, "If you're not with us, you're against us", which isn't true, and very simplistic. It just puts people in a tight spot, like "Do you still beat your wife?" :dunno:

Well it's no surprise when the Democrats have left the Republicans and their right wing radio host to "spin" the issues first, influencing public's opinion and then when backed into a wall the Democrats do nothing but follow.

Remember the issue on drilling on how Bush let it expired and then he said "It was up to Democrats in Congress to lift the ban"

When Congress went into recess and a number of Republicans stayed behind holding "come back to work signs"

On patriotism, Iraq war, drilling offshore, questioning Barry's religion background, etc...they put the "spin" first and Democrats to include Obama react to the rules according the Reps.

Seems like Obama is gambling on this one and kinda like putting his foot down this time by not following the leader. This is so far backfiring on McCain's camp as it seems like most people want to see or hear what The great One has to say on fixing their main concern: the economy!

 

[voyeurdude]

I don't think so. The current financial crisis is just that a CRISIS. Hold onto your hats boys, this is going to get bumpy!

 

[Friday on my mind]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080926/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_debate

McCain to attend debate

WASHINGTON - Republican John McCain says he's going to be at the first presidential debate, even though Congress doesn't have a bailout deal.

With less than 10 hours until the debate was scheduled to start, the McCain campaign announced that the Arizona senator would travel to the University of Mississippi. The campaign said after the forum he will fly back to Washington to continue working on the financial crisis.

The campaign's statement said McCain is optimistic that there has been progress toward a bipartisan agreement. But earlier in the week, McCain said he would delay the debate "until we have taken action to address this crisis."




My god talk about being wishy washy and being a flip flopper!!!!!:rofl:

What happened to I will not be going to a debate until an agreement is reached John!!!


John saw all the polls that said Americans thought the debate should go on and caved.Reminds of the time when Coca-Cola introduced new coke and the guys at Pepsi said "we have been eyeball to eyeball with these guys and they just blinked".John maybe you should swap positions on your ticket with little miss "I don't blink" Palin.

This is a steady thoughtfull leader?????????????????????????????:eek:

 

[AFA]

It's the facts Friday, he has the facts. Just look at his war record! He knows the facts. The only thing we need to know is he's a maverick according to what Palin learned from his ads.

I'm really wondering why we need to do anything about this "crisis" at all except pay off the exec salaries in the failed banks. :dunno:

 

[Facetious]

After thinking this over for the last two days, it is my opinion that Obama would have served himself just as well if he'd just gone along with Seniors' plan and get in on the negotiation (or not) first hand. McCain has many years of experience with matters such as this. Obama might just stand by and simply observe the process of the panel first hand.

Mccain is diplomatic and flexible, pick it up Obama.

I don't know what the latest news is . . . so off I go.

 

[girk1]

Well everyone run for your lives PUTIN has just 'reared his head':1orglaugh

Save us Sara!


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By the way I just saw the moon from my house last night, so I think I'm qualified to be an Astronaut:rofl:

 

[AFA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWDGEaQty_s

Wow! Revealing! I told you it was like the savings and loan scandal, and here he is again, first there in the 80's accepting $1M in contributions, and accepting them now?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_five

"Sen. McCain's campaign manager received payments as recently as last month from Freddie Mac even as it was failing".

I wonder if Palin knows Fannie and Freddie aren't real people? :1orglaugh

GAME OVER!

From Wednesday 9/24/08.

Polls and a clear connection to his Freddy Mac interests prior to McCain's bailout of the debate.

Obama shoots past McCain in polls amid economic fears
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4818022.ece

Rick Davis, Mr McCain's campaign manager, received more than $2m from the companies over five years as head of the Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy group set up by Fannie and Freddie to help beat back regulatory challenges, the New York Times revealed on Monday.

Yesterday, it emerged that the lobbying firm of the man chosen by Mr McCain to begin planning a presidential transition earned more than a $250,000 this year representing Freddie Mac.

Timmons & Co., whose founder and chairman emeritus is William Timmons Sr., been registered to lobby for Freddie Mac from 2000 and this year earned $260,000, according to congressional records. Mr Timmons, 77, is listed as a lobbyist for the company on its midyear financial-disclosure form.

Mr McCain's economic woes are underscored by a flurry of new polls suggesting that voters largely blame his Republican Party for the meltdown. Polling in battleground states also indicates that Mr Obama is beginning to pull away, while the Post/ABC poll finds him improving his standing on a host of other issues including Iraq, terrorism and international affairs - on which the two candidates are now essentially even.

 

[don_equis]

Oops AFA me thinks the Obama and his Dems were caught with their hands in the cookie jar named Fannie Mae & Bernie Mac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

It's good when you can see this from the outside and not from inside the party lines.

On Ron Paul where has this guy been? He unleashed on the bail out people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjpor8iBe58

 

[sammy402002]

Oops AFA me thinks the Obama and his Dems were caught with their hands in the cookie jar named Fannie Mae & Bernie Mac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

It's good when you can see this from the outside and not from inside the party lines.

On Ron Paul where has this guy been? He unleashed on the bail out people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjpor8iBe58

WOW!-That is an eye opener.

 

[AFA]

Oops AFA me thinks the Obama and his Dems were caught with their hands in the cookie jar named Fannie Mae & Bernie Mac.

Well, maybe you should check that again. Not the Dems connected to Freddie Mac, it's McCain lying about the connection of himself and his campaign manager Rick Davis, more clearly spelled out;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-pg5lsbBP4&feature=related

Katie Couric also made that quite clear in an earlier vid above.

 

[tony c]

Oops AFA me thinks the Obama and his Dems were caught with their hands in the cookie jar named Fannie Mae & Bernie Mac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

It's good when you can see this from the outside and not from inside the party lines.

On Ron Paul where has this guy been? He unleashed on the bail out people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjpor8iBe58

Still don't know why he didn't win the GOP nod. Brilliant man.

 

[don_equis]

Well, maybe you should check that again. Not the Dems connected to Freddie Mac, it's McCain lying about the connection of himself and his campaign manager Rick Davis, more clearly spelled out;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-pg5lsbBP4&feature=related

Katie Couric also made that quite clear in an earlier vid above.

Good link but that still does not take the fact of Obama and his Dems as "family" by Fannie and Bernie.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/20/obama-hearts-fannie-mae/

McCain's move may have prove to be a HUGE mistake on his part and if the Barry and Democrats don't take advantage on this "spin" they will just continue to be the party of reacting...but wait they don't need to because the media loves Barry and they will do anything for him.

It's all payback for what the rightwingers radio media did in their "swiffboat" ads to John Kerry back in 2004. I wonder how hard is it for them (Hannity, Rush,Ingraham, etc) to defend McCain who they did not like to beging with.

To steal a quote "Fair and balance" is what I want AFA, today's media in particular people like Olbermann and the New York Times, CNN, Fox News and MSNBC to mention a few have not been doing that for a while now.

 

[Facetious]

I don't like obama 'cause he's a nutty . .Christian . . christian . .Christ - ti - an . . ChRiStIan.
Why . . we can't have a Christian . . :razz:

Mc"Cane" is an ol fuddy duddy and I'm just S.O.L.

 

[AFA]

They all accept contributions from who they can, and calling someone or a group family I don't think is significant at all. :dunno:

My point about McCain is he was lying when asked about the transactions.

The Barry? Barry Manilow? Is that another cult?

 

[titsrock]

To put it gracefully, that whole first paragraph is Bullshit!

I've posted this once already, never EVER let it be said that democraps let FACTS get in the way, TALK about UNINFORMED!!!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/09/18/ny-times-sept-2003-bush-proposed-tightening-oversight-of-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-the-democrats-of-congress-blocked-it/

Perhaps it might be better to post a link from a source with a bit more credibility and objectivity than something called the "audacity of hypocrisy":dunno: Rightwing websites are of little interest to me. Much in the way that the huffingtonpost might not be your cup of tea.

The fact remains 86150. THe Pubs had control during the critical juncture and did nothing but put the economy on the path toward a "giant swan dive off the cliff" which we face now. Stalling the deal to bail out our Financial Sector, at this point, will simply usher in complete Democratic control in November. Keep up the good work Republicans!

The Iraq Occupation, K Street Corruption/Abramoff, should we pile these on the Dems and Obama too?

 

[Torre82]

Perhaps it might be better to post a link from a source with a bit more credibility and objectivity than something called the "audacity of hypocrisy":dunno: Rightwing websites are of little interest to me. Much in the way that the huffingtonpost might not be your cup of tea.

The fact remains 86150. THe Pubs had control during the critical juncture and did nothing but put the economy on the path toward a "giant swan dive off the cliff" which we face now. Stalling the deal to bail out our Financial Sector, at this point, will simply usher in complete Democratic control in November. Keep up the good work Republicans!

The Iraq Occupation, K Street Corruption/Abramoff, should we pile these on the Dems and Obama too?

86150 has plenty of fire for the rightwing cause, just never seems to throw out anything but opinions, blogs and propoganda. You're preaching to the choir if someone is already right, but the left really needs some hardcore evidence to change their minds. As a lefty.. I could care less about the 'fundamentals' like what religion a prez is, who he hangs out with.. etc, etc. Now if he starts doing something that politicians dont normally do.. (fundraising, holding hands with big companies secretly, etc) then it's cause for concern. Still, it's hard not to see right wing bullshit for what it is.

 

[titsrock]

^^^
I know he's posted wacko propaganda BS and LOUDLY, BELCHINGLY converted "bullshit" to "fact" before. I don't seem to tire in pointing out the "inconveniences" and "fallacies" in his thinking or sources for that matter.

I think 86150, to his credit, will be part of the 38% of the nation that votes for McCain/palin come election day. Heretowith, we have thusly identified another closed, conservative mind....

 

[don_equis]

They all accept contributions from who they can, and calling someone or a group family I don't think is significant at all. :dunno:

My point about McCain is he was lying when asked about the transactions.

The Barry? Barry Manilow? Is that another cult?

Aw come on AFA you did not know??

When Barry Became Barack
It didn't happen overnight. But in college, the young Barry took to being called by his formal name. What this evolution tells us about him.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633

Nope googled The great Barry Manillow and found no cult...just this:

"... Mister Mister, Billy Squire, KIX, Toad the Wet Sprocket, Barry Manillow, ... Pink Floyd (Dark Side of the Moon), Blue Oyster Cult, Dave Mason, ZZ Top, ..."

However on Barrack "Barry" Obama found some cool cult stuff:

Cult of Personality
”A cult of personality or personality cult arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a heroic public image through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships but can be found in some democracies as well.

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship except that it is created specifically for political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of non-political leaders. …”

http://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/barack-obama-cult/

Now about this thread, I have yet to see the debate, was working last night so I just saw and heard what people are talking about. As soon as I get myself some :glugglug: I'll be able to see if Barrack "The Chosen One" mopped the floor with O'l Grumpy Gramps McCain...I wonder if it looked something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkEFTRWJdt8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g20C1PtBcg&feature=related

Do you smell what Barrack is cooking?

 

[AFA]

Aw come on AFA you did not know??

When Barry Became Barack
It didn't happen overnight. But in college, the young Barry took to being called by his formal name. What this evolution tells us about him.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633

Nope googled The great Barry Manillow and found no cult...just this:

"... Mister Mister, Billy Squire, KIX, Toad the Wet Sprocket, Barry Manillow, ... Pink Floyd (Dark Side of the Moon), Blue Oyster Cult, Dave Mason, ZZ Top, ..."

However on Barrack "Barry" Obama found some cool cult stuff:

Cult of Personality
”A cult of personality or personality cult arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a heroic public image through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships but can be found in some democracies as well.

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship except that it is created specifically for political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of non-political leaders. …”

http://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/barack-obama-cult/

Now about this thread, I have yet to see the debate, was working last night so I just saw and heard what people are talking about. As soon as I get myself some :glugglug: I'll be able to see if Barrack "The Chosen One" mopped the floor with O'l Grumpy Gramps McCain...I wonder if it looked something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkEFTRWJdt8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g20C1PtBcg&feature=related

Do you smell what Barrack is cooking?

Jeeze Don, I hope you don't blast me for what I did when I was 19 during my identity crisis. I better not run for mayor of a small town when I grow up or even travel after sunrise. :dunno: