Feminism Killed The Nice Guy

which statement is most accurate?

  • nice guys are actually more appreciated due to feminism

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • nice guys are more appreciated but not because of feminism

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • nice guys still finish last

    Votes: 24 85.7%

  • Total voters
    28
i believe feminism is wrong, women gotta have their rights and all, but feminism seems to me like, we're equal, but you do everything.
a little rudeness wont do bad to women ;)

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agree with your point DuanCulo
 

DuanCulo

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http://www.rooshv.com/feminism-killed-the-nice-guy

i don't agree with everything said (some of it is utter rubbish) but i do think he has a point in terms of nice guys and the system favoring women. with the explosion of cuckolding and the ideology that the nice, meek husband should sit and watch while his wife fuck hung alpha males, i do think the post has some merits (though as i will repeat there is a lot of garbage too). came back to the what i learned growing up about nice guys finish last.

another interesting article regarding nice guys and feminism
http://thefriendlyfem.blogspot.com/2013/03/nice-guys-and-friendzone.html

another perspective
http://emmatheemo.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/feminist-logic-about-entitlement-why-the-niceguy-hate/

i guess in my head, i logically think that nice guys would have been more appreciated with females being more empowered and demanding more respect etc. yet it seems, in my experience at least, that nice guys are walked over and on more now than ever before. instead of appreciating the nice guys, they seem to be getting vilified as needy, weak, spineless, 'husband-material' (not good for a fun time, just someone you settle down with because of their stability), entitled etc. don't think i'll ever fully understand women, thank goodness i gave up being a nice guy a long time ago.
 
back ago, when men we're the leaders, and women were in kitchen, womens loved more their husbands then they do today, the womans love towards a man is more weak and plausable than the mans love towards a woman. a woman can cheat her man more easy and quicker then the man will do.
 

DuanCulo

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I don't know whether it's due to feminism or just a shift in social attitudes towards male/female interaction or an increased paranoia regarding the number of genuine weirdos or sexual predators, but I've noticed a generational change in reaction to certain "nice guy" behaviours.

On my travels there is a marked difference between women of a certain age and ones that are younger, if I do something like hold the door open for a lady or get up and offer them my seat on a crowded bus/train/tube. Women that are (at an estimate) older than me nearly always smile or say thank you, even if they don't take up the seat with a gracious "no thanks, I'm getting off at the next stop" or whatever. Women that are younger than me seem to react by looking me like some creepy pervert that just wants to fuck them and they shoot through the door and noticeably quicken their pace without so much as a word of thanks, ignore me and move down the carriage to get away or mutter "y'alright" (as in No) and look at the floor - as if to not want to give me "encouragement"!!

Now, I'm not exactly Johnny Depp, but I'm not the Elephant Man either. I'm practically the definition of "average looking guy." I don't wear a trenchcoat or a hoodie that obscures my features, I don't act in any kind of creepy manner, and I've got plenty of women friends who would tell me if there was anything remotely sleazy about me. Maybe I'm just on a bad run of luck and keep catching the "eternally terrified of being assaulted" every time I try to do something nice. Or maybe I am catching a few militant feminists thinking I'm being sexist by opening a door for a lady, because "I'm perfectly capable of opening a door myself, THANK YOU!" Either way, these traditional chivalrous acts don't seem to be as appreciated as they once were, at least in my experience.
 

DuanCulo

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Staff member
I don't know whether it's due to feminism or just a shift in social attitudes towards male/female interaction or an increased paranoia regarding the number of genuine weirdos or sexual predators, but I've noticed a generational change in reaction to certain "nice guy" behaviours.

On my travels there is a marked difference between women of a certain age and ones that are younger, if I do something like hold the door open for a lady or get up and offer them my seat on a crowded bus/train/tube. Women that are (at an estimate) older than me nearly always smile or say thank you, even if they don't take up the seat with a gracious "no thanks, I'm getting off at the next stop" or whatever. Women that are younger than me seem to react by looking me like some creepy pervert that just wants to fuck them and they shoot through the door and noticeably quicken their pace without so much as a word of thanks, ignore me and move down the carriage to get away or mutter "y'alright" (as in No) and look at the floor - as if to not want to give me "encouragement"!!

Now, I'm not exactly Johnny Depp, but I'm not the Elephant Man either. I'm practically the definition of "average looking guy." I don't wear a trenchcoat or a hoodie that obscures my features, I don't act in any kind of creepy manner, and I've got plenty of women friends who would tell me if there was anything remotely sleazy about me. Maybe I'm just on a bad run of luck and keep catching the "eternally terrified of being assaulted" every time I try to do something nice. Or maybe I am catching a few militant feminists thinking I'm being sexist by opening a door for a lady, because "I'm perfectly capable of opening a door myself, THANK YOU!" Either way, these traditional chivalrous acts don't seem to be as appreciated as they once were, at least in my experience.

very interesting
 
Even thought there are some things in equality which could be better, I feel time to time that it's not really about equality, but rather just about power. It's like a person wanting roses from the top, but leaving spikes withn to be problem for someone else. Then again it's more likely just the nature of human to be greedy, selfish and lazy bastards. Also there are differences between genders and people, always have been and always will be, unless we start to create human clones there won't be perfect equality...

I did only read quickly bits and pieces, but seemed pretty interesting links and nice post from Stiffy too. Those articles reminds me of "The Ladder Theory"
http://www.laddertheory.com/

I suppose all those when shortened means that, unless I get some badass tattoos, piercings and motorcycle with some blingblings & other blahblah, probably better just to stay home and watch porn?...
:violin:
 

Philbert

Banned
Unlike in the typical SciFi story on tv, where a planet seems to only have one type of inhabitant and theu are all similar, here on Planet Rock wimmen are ALL different, and I agree with what someone wrote "...only women understand women, and they HATE each other!"
Some bitches like that distinctive designation, some persons like being generic and opening their own doors, some like being treated like fragile flowers of Femininity, and some mix it up depending on their lunar cycle and today's weather.
Any sex giving me a hand with dropped parcels is thanked sincerely, any sex holding open a door for me exiting a MickyDees with my hands full is given a nod and a smile, with a verbal as well.
I experience the same back at me, and since I never ride public transport I don't know who actually rides there but fuck'em if they can't cope with kindness.
I have been in homes many times with no one but me and the pretty housewife, and there was never any tension.
I am a true Southern gentleman, and even though I have that movie biker look about me, people seem to get my attitude.
And dogs never bite me, mean cats come over for a head rub, so do shy kids...like I said, fuck the idiot fembots who can't handle kindness.
 

rivasky

the special one
Sorry to break it to you, but feminism killed the thick dude.
 

rivasky

the special one
^^ being Texan, English isn't your first language
 

Philbert

Banned
^^ being Texan, English isn't your first language

American is, and you don't seem to know the meaning either, huh? Since "thick dude " isn't Greek, Espanol, or Croation.
Ask someone what you meant, and get back to us.
 

DuanCulo

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Sorry to break it to you, but feminism killed the thick dude.

please elaborate ... what do you mean by 'thick dude'?

Unlike in the typical SciFi story on tv, where a planet seems to only have one type of inhabitant and theu are all similar, here on Planet Rock wimmen are ALL different, and I agree with what someone wrote "...only women understand women, and they HATE each other!"
Some bitches like that distinctive designation, some persons like being generic and opening their own doors, some like being treated like fragile flowers of Femininity, and some mix it up depending on their lunar cycle and today's weather.
Any sex giving me a hand with dropped parcels is thanked sincerely, any sex holding open a door for me exiting a MickyDees with my hands full is given a nod and a smile, with a verbal as well.
I experience the same back at me, and since I never ride public transport I don't know who actually rides there but fuck'em if they can't cope with kindness.
I have been in homes many times with no one but me and the pretty housewife, and there was never any tension.
I am a true Southern gentleman, and even though I have that movie biker look about me, people seem to get my attitude.
And dogs never bite me, mean cats come over for a head rub, so do shy kids...like I said, fuck the idiot fembots who can't handle kindness.

i agree man
 
It seems to me that woman dont dislike nice men. They dislike WEAK men. There is a difference. I read some piece of commentary somewhere, I cant remember the name, but the author was hypthesizing that feminism has made more of the nice men/good men weak. And now only the bad men are strong.

That cuckold stuff is such garbage. I cant believe how mainstream it is becoming in porn. Even some of the stars are starting to do it. Come on Raylene, you did a cuckold with Shane Diesel but you cant do a blowbang/bukakke or gangbang?
 
I don't know whether it's due to feminism or just a shift in social attitudes towards male/female interaction or an increased paranoia regarding the number of genuine weirdos or sexual predators, but I've noticed a generational change in reaction to certain "nice guy" behaviours.

On my travels there is a marked difference between women of a certain age and ones that are younger, if I do something like hold the door open for a lady or get up and offer them my seat on a crowded bus/train/tube. Women that are (at an estimate) older than me nearly always smile or say thank you, even if they don't take up the seat with a gracious "no thanks, I'm getting off at the next stop" or whatever. Women that are younger than me seem to react by looking me like some creepy pervert that just wants to fuck them and they shoot through the door and noticeably quicken their pace without so much as a word of thanks, ignore me and move down the carriage to get away or mutter "y'alright" (as in No) and look at the floor - as if to not want to give me "encouragement"!!

Now, I'm not exactly Johnny Depp, but I'm not the Elephant Man either. I'm practically the definition of "average looking guy." I don't wear a trenchcoat or a hoodie that obscures my features, I don't act in any kind of creepy manner, and I've got plenty of women friends who would tell me if there was anything remotely sleazy about me. Maybe I'm just on a bad run of luck and keep catching the "eternally terrified of being assaulted" every time I try to do something nice. Or maybe I am catching a few militant feminists thinking I'm being sexist by opening a door for a lady, because "I'm perfectly capable of opening a door myself, THANK YOU!" Either way, these traditional chivalrous acts don't seem to be as appreciated as they once were, at least in my experience.

I buy your theory as I've noticed that too.
 
I think you guys are all approaching this wrong. Feminism killed nothing. Stupid feminists are just dumb bitches who need a kick in the box. Just like stupid misogynists are. Just like stupid masochists are. Just like...you get the idea.

Feminism doesn't change a thing about how I act. I treat all people with respect until they give me a reason not to. If I go through a door, I look behind me to see if a person is there, so I should hold the door. If I invite someone out to dinner, I pay for it because it was my invitation. Doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman. I go to dinner with people for business often. Sometimes men, sometimes women.

Having basic respect for humans is what I'm about. I'm not into feminism. I'm into equality. All humans are equal until they prove otherwise by their own actions.
 
I don't know whether it's due to feminism or just a shift in social attitudes towards male/female interaction or an increased paranoia regarding the number of genuine weirdos or sexual predators, but I've noticed a generational change in reaction to certain "nice guy" behaviours.

On my travels there is a marked difference between women of a certain age and ones that are younger, if I do something like hold the door open for a lady or get up and offer them my seat on a crowded bus/train/tube. Women that are (at an estimate) older than me nearly always smile or say thank you, even if they don't take up the seat with a gracious "no thanks, I'm getting off at the next stop" or whatever. Women that are younger than me seem to react by looking me like some creepy pervert that just wants to fuck them and they shoot through the door and noticeably quicken their pace without so much as a word of thanks, ignore me and move down the carriage to get away or mutter "y'alright" (as in No) and look at the floor - as if to not want to give me "encouragement"!!

Now, I'm not exactly Johnny Depp, but I'm not the Elephant Man either. I'm practically the definition of "average looking guy." I don't wear a trenchcoat or a hoodie that obscures my features, I don't act in any kind of creepy manner, and I've got plenty of women friends who would tell me if there was anything remotely sleazy about me. Maybe I'm just on a bad run of luck and keep catching the "eternally terrified of being assaulted" every time I try to do something nice. Or maybe I am catching a few militant feminists thinking I'm being sexist by opening a door for a lady, because "I'm perfectly capable of opening a door myself, THANK YOU!" Either way, these traditional chivalrous acts don't seem to be as appreciated as they once were, at least in my experience.

I think you're probably seeing a reaction to societal paranoia. While violent crime rates are going down, news coverage of them is going way up. As a result a lot of people are just flat out suspicious and afraid. I find it tends to get worse the more urban the neighborhood. In the suburbs women tend to be a lot of pleasant when you do things like hold the door for them (this despite my tendency to wear hoodies paired with a leather jacket along side beat up jeans and steel-toed hiking boots), meanwhile they're a lot less receptive in more urban ares where the general theme seems to be "don't make eye contact".
 
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