Feds going after Toyota to help GM?
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So .01% of Toyotas are encountering this problem and it's made this much of a racket?
Things that come to mind:
Media blowing something else out of proportion.
Something sneaky is happening in Congress that they want us to not pay attention to.
Attempts to re-brand Toyota as "unsafe" to steer people toward GM.
Ray LaHood's proctologist called - they found his head.
Maybe coincidental, but why waste an opportunity like this, right America?
Umm...I'm pretty sure that I don't want to be stuck with a car that accelerates out of control. 2,000 is a high enough number for me to take notice. And as noted in the article, the government response has been consistent with previous cases.
Oh and by the way...There is NO reason that people should be dying because the car won't stop accelerating. Turn off the key, throw it in neutral; just let the fucking engine blow and brake or coast to the side of the road. A new car is worth a lot less than your life.
Oh and by the way...There is NO reason that people should be dying because the car won't stop accelerating. Turn off the key, throw it in neutral; just let the fucking engine blow and brake or coast to the side of the road. A new car is worth a lot less than your life.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Although I've long been a fan of Toyota's manufacturing processes and its quality principles, there is no way to let Toyota off the hook on this one. It seems that acceleration issues have been known about for at least the past 2-4 years. Yet, no effective, permanent corrective action was put in place, and the issue continued until people got injured and they finally got their asses busted. NHTSA also had some hints that there were issues some time ago. But as NHTSA personnel made their way over to work for Toyota, the investigations were mysteriously closed. Sort of reminds me of Bernie Madoff's niece marrying into the SEC and his problems suddenly went away. 
As for the numbers, I'm not sure where the gentleman from Consurmer Reports is getting the 20 million figure (since even the article uses 5.3 million). No one has claimed that all Toyotas were affected by this issue. And not all Toyotas are being recalled. I believe 5.3 million vehicles are affected by the recall, up from 3.8 million in January. Champion's statement that there have been "2,000 complaints of unintended acceleration in some 20 million Toyota vehicles" is a bit disingenious, since he's inflating the population of affected vehicles (for dramatic affect?). And why would one gage a problem simply by the number of (current) complaints? Assuming Toyota really does know what the issue is (?) and what's causing it, the defect rate would be calculated AFTER the suspect pedals have been removed and inspected... or maybe while they're still on the car (depending on how they can be inspected).
Especially if it's found that the defective pedals were made to Toyota's specs, and some of them still failed, it's safe to assume that a great(er) number of them would fail over time. If they weren't made to Toyota's specs, then CTS is in for the biggest butt banging that a Tier 1 has had in decades. But, since Toyota (and NHTSA) has had suspicions for awhile, and the Kaizen company didn't jump on it with "continuous improvement", I'm not about to shed a tear for them or criticize LaHood for ANYTHING that he said. Kiss the pickle and bite that pillow, Mr. Toyoda. :nannerf1:
Hey Mr. Clean... you're dirty now too! <Neil Young - Sun Green>
As for the numbers, I'm not sure where the gentleman from Consurmer Reports is getting the 20 million figure (since even the article uses 5.3 million). No one has claimed that all Toyotas were affected by this issue. And not all Toyotas are being recalled. I believe 5.3 million vehicles are affected by the recall, up from 3.8 million in January. Champion's statement that there have been "2,000 complaints of unintended acceleration in some 20 million Toyota vehicles" is a bit disingenious, since he's inflating the population of affected vehicles (for dramatic affect?). And why would one gage a problem simply by the number of (current) complaints? Assuming Toyota really does know what the issue is (?) and what's causing it, the defect rate would be calculated AFTER the suspect pedals have been removed and inspected... or maybe while they're still on the car (depending on how they can be inspected).
Especially if it's found that the defective pedals were made to Toyota's specs, and some of them still failed, it's safe to assume that a great(er) number of them would fail over time. If they weren't made to Toyota's specs, then CTS is in for the biggest butt banging that a Tier 1 has had in decades. But, since Toyota (and NHTSA) has had suspicions for awhile, and the Kaizen company didn't jump on it with "continuous improvement", I'm not about to shed a tear for them or criticize LaHood for ANYTHING that he said. Kiss the pickle and bite that pillow, Mr. Toyoda. :nannerf1:
Hey Mr. Clean... you're dirty now too! <Neil Young - Sun Green>
Run off the foreign competition....Ahh the **** truly has begun, Just waiting now for the tariff wars to begin. As for the government owning alot of GM I wouldnt panic, History is circular. Car industries have been government owned, privatised and back again....Flush repeat. An awful lot.
This is not a needle in the haystack or a piling on. Toyota is simply "learning the American way" of cheapening up products and inflating corresponding prices :hatsoff:
Toyota's quality started declining with Lexus probably 5 years ago. Been hearin' a lot 'bout how crappy people view Lexus these days. The problems started in Lexus and have now flamed up within flagship Toyota...
Toyota's quality started declining with Lexus probably 5 years ago. Been hearin' a lot 'bout how crappy people view Lexus these days. The problems started in Lexus and have now flamed up within flagship Toyota...
Audi got the same treatment... Crashed sales and a big recall!
With the complexity of cars these days, every time each auto maker releases a brand new redesigned model car quailty seems to drop.. that is common with all automakers. Toyota has taken a beating after being at the top of quality, but they still make good cars. This recall is going to be a major set back due to the handling of it, like Audi had as well.
PlasmaTwa2
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Toyota used to stand for quality. I myself don't drive one, but my friend has a 3-year old Corolla and it is one superb piece of machinery.
i hope we sue the **** outta them. they are still pissed about the bombs we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki :ak47:
There's one catch to this mishandling by the US governmen... all Toyota models made for sale in the US are now made in the US... it's near impossible to call some cars "domestic" or "foreign" these days.
They made be made in America but the white shirts come from Tokyo. Toyota appears to have transferred the WalMart Approach--poor quality leads to bigger profit margins--and transferred it to their auto production. :dunno: If an American turns the wrench on flimsy materials, is it the American worker's fault or the white shirt who greenlighted the product?
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
If it's a onesy/twosy issue, you might look to production. But since this was a systemic failure (plural really, since there seems to be multiple braking and acceleration issues on a global scale), and it seems to be design related, it falls on management (plant level and corporate). Sounds like the white shirts at the plants (Quality) didn't catch it. But once it was known two or three years ago, it seems like the suits in Japan (and America?) tried to keep it hidden. That's to say nothing of NHTSA's role in working with Toyota to keep it hush-hush.
Since I doubt the truth will ever come out, there's no way to know what percentage of these cars ACTUALLY had this defect. :nono:
**** me up when the Firebird returns...
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Err... don't bother setting your alarm clock.
Like Luca Brasi, Pontiac ****** with the fishes.
Err... don't bother setting your alarm clock.
Like Luca Brasi, Pontiac ****** with the fishes.
Always the Camaro SS!
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
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Never owned one. But I can respect the performance.
This will be the best looking car on the track at this year's Indy 500.
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