CIA Waterboarded Mohammed 183X in 1 Month, Zubaydah 83X in 1 month

[Facetious]

I condemn everone who commits acts of violence.

Apparently that everyone IS America as, I've yet to read an instance where you have condemned those, should they conquer u.s., would cut our throats

And yes, I'm against the USA as a war mongering nation just like I'm against other war mongering nations.

How could there be other war mongering nations when we're the world's SUPERPOWER ? Suckers for pain I guess.

The sad thing is that the USA as a superpower has the chance and ability to change the world for the better yet your government chooses not to do so.

Why would any nation singlehandedly stick it's neck out in attempt to force that of which has been determined as "good" (according to western values) upon the world ?
There is no such a thing as a universal good on this earth. War is man / Man is war.
No, I'm not some kind of isolationist either. :nono

Are you suggesting that our more recent foes are angry at u.s. because they know that we have the power to make the world better yet we don't ?
For why are America's most recent enemies indiscriminately attacking the people of Mumbai, the Philipines and anywhere on earth that islamic law doesn't rule the roost ?


Which American leader ever made claim that we were the World's Superpower" other than the one's that would only use such an antagonistic statement against America ?

Amazing how CNN and the print media can attachCNN can attach t anything to the willing and enthusiastic "Hate America Just 'Cause" crowd and all we'll hear for the next year is torture TORTURE TORTURE

 

[Facetious]

Correction / Edit ^^ last sentence.

Amazing how CNN and the print media can attach special attention grabbing buzz words to their stories, repeat them on a daily basis and make something false into a reality. torture

Politics

 

[Hot Mega]

Correction / Edit ^^ last sentence.

Amazing how CNN and the print media can attach special attention grabbing buzz words to their stories, repeat them on a daily basis and make something false a reality.

Politics

A US administration authorizing war crimes and lying about it is not a story?? Only in your "false reality".

Oh I forget, it's only an important enough story if you get a blow job from an intern and lie about it.:spin::updown::turnturn:

 

[Facial_King]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/05/AR2007100502492_2.html

Excerpt:
For six decades, they held their silence.

The group of World War II veterans kept a military code and the decorum of their generation, telling virtually no one of their top-secret work interrogating Nazi prisoners of war at Fort Hunt.

When about two dozen veterans got together yesterday for the first time since the 1940s, many of the proud men lamented the chasm between the way they conducted interrogations during the war and the harsh measures used today in questioning terrorism suspects.

Back then, they and their commanders wrestled with the morality of bugging prisoners' cells with listening devices. They felt bad about censoring letters. They took prisoners out for steak dinners to soften them up. They played games with them.

"We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture," said Henry Kolm, 90, an MIT physicist who had been assigned to play chess in Germany with Hitler's deputy, Rudolf Hess.

 

[Hot Mega]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/05/AR2007100502492_2.html

Excerpt:
For six decades, they held their silence.

The group of World War II veterans kept a military code and the decorum of their generation, telling virtually no one of their top-secret work interrogating Nazi prisoners of war at Fort Hunt.

When about two dozen veterans got together yesterday for the first time since the 1940s, many of the proud men lamented the chasm between the way they conducted interrogations during the war and the harsh measures used today in questioning terrorism suspects.

Back then, they and their commanders wrestled with the morality of bugging prisoners' cells with listening devices. They felt bad about censoring letters. They took prisoners out for steak dinners to soften them up. They played games with them.

"We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture," said Henry Kolm, 90, an MIT physicist who had been assigned to play chess in Germany with Hitler's deputy, Rudolf Hess.

There is a difference between soldiers who enlist, were conscripted or commissioned to defend their country who are doing their best to be patriotic to their country, families and way of life than cold blooded murders in a criminal enterprise.

Even though they are cold blooded murderers they still should be treated humanely until they face punishment.

 

[zaxxon]

We are creating enemies faster than we can kill them.

 

[bustybbwlover]

i think if the US stopped pretending to be spreading 'democracy' while securing spheres of influence to ensure corporate and military interest there might be less bitterness toward us. personally, i'm tired of being viewed as an enemy to the world for the actions of my government and corporations. when the US government says it's bringing 'democracy' the world sees it as the bringing of US imperial and economic ambitions with just cause. our government and corporations have supported dictators, instituted dictators, removed governments, polluted nations, dealt drugs and much more....i suppose it's no wonder some people hate us.

 

[Ol-Skool-Perv]

Excellent post bustybbwlover!

Good that people can still speak out...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...y-killed-more-americans-than-911-1674396.html

 

[scooter]

I'm not terribly concerned about getting credible info from them. Just want our guys to kill as many of their guys as possible.
"The object of war is not to die for your country -- it's to make the other bastard die for his."

 

[Hot Mega]

i think if the US stopped pretending to be spreading 'democracy' while instead attempting to secure spheres of influence to ensure corporate and military interest there might be less bitterness toward us. personally, i'm tired of being viewed as an enemy to the world for the actions of my government and corporations. when the US government says it's bringing 'democracy' the world sees it as the bringing of US imperial and economic ambitions.

The biggest concern I have is there are some in this country willing to turn a blind eye to the most egregious example - Iraq on almost purely political lines. I'm not sure Bush even tried to cover this shill.

I mean, where were the tea baggers when GWB told them he was going to spend a half trillion to a trillion dollars of their "children's" money bringing democracy to Iraq?:dunno:

 

[zaxxon]

"The object of war is not to die for your country -- it's to make the other bastard die for his."

You know more Americans have died in the Iraq war than in 9/11, right?

 

[bodie54]

Let's not forget that the A bomb was dropped after the Japanese emperor had surrendered. The A bomb was dropped as an American show of force.

I think you've made some excellent points in this thread Boothbabe, but this one is factually incorrect.

The bombs were dropped on August 6th (Hiroshima) and August 9th (Nagasaki). The emporer did not surrender until August 14th.

 

[meesterperfect]

I condemn everone who commits acts of violence. And yes, I'm against the USA as a war mongering nation just like I'm against other war mongering nations. The sad thing is that the USA as a superpower has the chance and ability to change the world for the better yet your government chooses not to do so.

you mean like the current president saying fuck you to the colombian people and its peaceful capitalist government by killing the free trade agreement with them and in the meantime shaking hands and promising a new alliance with chavez, the socialist leader of venezuela who provides money, material and sanctuary to FARC, the biggest terrorist group in south america who's goal is to takeover power in colombia by force ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsVXgx0EoHg
Is that a good example?

 

[Ol-Skool-Perv]

I think you've made some excellent points in this thread Boothbabe, but this one is factually incorrect.

The bombs were dropped on August 6th (Hiroshima) and August 9th (Nagasaki). The emporer did not surrender until August 14th.

And we all know two bombs were dropped to see which was the best design, above all other excuses.

 

[Hot Mega]

you mean like the current president saying fuck you to the colombian people and its peaceful capitalist government by killing the free trade agreement with them and in the meantime shaking hands and promising a new alliance with chavez, the socialist leader of venezuela who provides money, material and sanctuary to FARC, the biggest terrorist group in south america who's goal is to takeover power in colombia by force ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsVXgx0EoHg
Is that a good example?

Which Free Trade Agreement did Obama kill and when did he kill it?:helpme:

 

[bodie54]

you mean like the current president saying fuck you to the colombian people and its peaceful capitalist government by killing the free trade agreement with them and in the meantime shaking hands and promising a new alliance with chavez, the socialist leader of venezuela who provides money, material and sanctuary to FARC, the biggest terrorist group in south america who's goal is to takeover power in colombia by force ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsVXgx0EoHg
Is that a good example?

Mr P, I know this is a very important and personal issue for you, but Obama is not overlooking Colombia. Nothing has been promised to Chavez beyond an effort to improve relations to whatever degree possible. Obama is fully aware that several issues, including the one you raised, stand in the way of an agreeable meeting of minds, but his intent is to use diplomacy first to work Chavez on those issues. If he succeeds you'll be much better off. If he doesn't you won't be any worse off. As a candidate Obama promised a different approach to foreign policy than that of the Bush administration. Voters supported him and he's following through. But make no mistake about it, Obama's "good cop" approach is just as dedicated to advancing american interests as Bush's "bad cop" approach was.

 

[meesterperfect]

Mr P, I know this is a very important and personal issue for you, but Obama is not overlooking Colombia. Nothing has been promised to Chavez beyond an effort to improve relations to whatever degree possible. Obama is fully aware that several issues, including the one you raised, stand in the way of an agreeable meeting of minds, but his intent is to use diplomacy first to work Chavez on those issues. If he succeeds you'll be much better off. If he doesn't you won't be any worse off. As a candidate Obama promised a different approach to foreign policy than that of the Bush administration. Voters supported him and he's following through. But make no mistake about it, Obama's "good cop" approach is just as dedicated to advancing american interests as Bush's "bad cop" approach was.

well its not only important to me because i plan on living in both colombia and the US now and in the future.
its because i care about the future for everyone of us.

so bodie, i hope you are right.
And if you are right, it works.

 

[bustybbwlover]

back to the waterboarding there's a lot of people in this thread complaining that the terrorists don't have to live up to the standards of the US. absolutely i'd agree. were i have dispute with them is that because terrorists act horribly so should the US. i see no reason to not act with excellence just because everyone doesn't act with excellence. i said it in another thread....if someone starts throwing shit, i ain't gonna start throwing shit back, cuz then we'd both just be playing in shit.

 

[Facial_King]

back to the waterboarding there's a lot of people in this thread complaining that the terrorists don't have to live up to the standards of the US. absolutely i'd agree. were i have dispute with them is that because terrorists act horribly so should the US. i see no reason to not act with excellence just because everyone doesn't act with excellence. i said it in another thread....if someone starts throwing shit, i ain't gonna start throwing shit back, cuz then we'd both just be playing in shit.

Yeah, that's right. Many of these fanatical Muslims have incredibly brutal attitudes towards women and tolerate (or directly engage in) disgusting levels of abuse towards girls and women. So, if we capture some of their women engaged in shady activities, I guess that makes it okay for Our Guys to abuse them in whatever way, right???

 

[Philbert]

Yeah, that's right. Many of these fanatical Muslims have incredibly brutal attitudes towards women and tolerate (or directly engage in) disgusting levels of abuse towards girls and women. So, if we capture some of their women engaged in shady activities, I guess that makes it okay for Our Guys to abuse them in whatever way, right???

back to the waterboarding there's a lot of people in this thread complaining that the terrorists don't have to live up to the standards of the US. absolutely i'd agree. were i have dispute with them is that because terrorists act horribly so should the US. i see no reason to not act with excellence just because everyone doesn't act with excellence. i said it in another thread....if someone starts throwing shit, i ain't gonna start throwing shit back, cuz then we'd both just be playing in shit.

And then he does exactly that with another major shit-slinger...:rofl2: