CIA Waterboarded Mohammed 183X in 1 Month, Zubaydah 83X in 1 month

[boobfan]

There is nothing to answer you fraud. Why should I have to tell someone who (really knows) about SERE training when you demonstrated you have no clue beyond what you've tried to read about it on the internet. If you don't understand who is SERE trained at NAS Brunswick (specifically Rangeley)... then keep searching an reading until you figure it out.

And I didn't "just" work at McDill. That was some years ago. However when I did work there it was as a civilian contractor for USSOCOM. And I've worked in various capacities for the US government as a contractor as well as the private sector since I ended my military career.

It makes total sense you are clueless since you are perpetrating a fraud.

To clearly illustrate your BS

#1 You claimed to have been SERE level C qualified at a facility that only does level A and B qualifications for the Navy (this includes Marines they operate under the department of the Navy).

Wow..Well I too served and I'm SERE Level C qualified out of NAS Brunswick.

#2 You are not aware that the DOD (Department of Defense) is a Civilian entity, that some Military personel work in. Best example Robert Gates, who calls himself the Secretary of War does not have any rank in any of the Armed Services. He is a Cabinet level member of our executive Branch of Government. The only member of the Executive Branch that holds any 'Rank' is the President.

That aside, what department of the the federal government do the JCS, Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines belong to?? That would be the DoD.

#3 You claim to have been a member of a very famous Light Armored Marine Unit when trying to imply that you have had some type of a SF duty assignment.

Now how would I be at "high risk of capture" if I didn't operate at the "tip of the spear"???

#4 People (civilians) that work at MacDill do not have to have any SERE qualification as they have no risk of capture because they work at MacDill. Unless they have a job that will take them in theater (very unlikely).

And I didn't "just" work at McDill. That was some years ago. However when I did work there it was as a civilian contractor for USSOCOM. And I've worked in various capacities for the US government as a contractor as well as the private sector since I ended my military career.

#5 You refer to Special Forces as Special Operations, that is what the Brits and Europeans do but you claim to have served in the U.S. Military.

First of all, "boob.." based on your original post on this contention in this thread I was immediately lead to believe you have zero SO experience. Even if you were trained at some level it's not likely you have had any deployment or operational experience.

Do you want me to continue?
To be quite frank I am getting really tired of your BS.
Please quit pretending to know anything about any type of interrogation techniques used by the U.S. military or by our "intelligence agencies" because you obviously don't know anything about the U.S. military.

 

[Hot Mega]

To clearly illustrate your BS

#1 You claimed to have been SERE level C qualified at a facility that only does level A and B qualifications for the Navy (this includes Marines they operate under the department of the Navy).




#2 You are not aware that the DOD (Department of Defense) is a Civilian entity, that some Military personel work in. Best example Robert Gates, who calls himself the Secretary of War does not have any rank in any of the Armed Services. He is a Cabinet level member of our executive Branch of Government. The only member of the Executive Branch that holds any 'Rank' is the President.




#3 You claim to have been a member of a very famous Light Armored Marine Unit when trying to imply that you have had some type of a SF duty assignment.



#4 People (civilians) that work at MacDill do not have to have any SERE qualification as they have no risk of capture because they work at MacDill. Unless they have a job that will take them in theater (very unlikely).



#5 You refer to Special Forces as Special Operations, that is what the Brits and Europeans do but you claim to have served in the U.S. Military.





Do you want me to continue?
To be quite frank I am getting really tired of your BS.
Please quit pretending to know anything about any type of interrogation techniques used by the U.S. military or by our "intelligence agencies" because you obviously don't know anything about the U.S. military.

With every post you continue to show how big of a lying, clueless fraud you are.

You're not only clueless on the subject you are now trying to misrepresent what I've posted here.

Anyone who knows anything about SERE knows the Navy operates it's only cold weather SERE training facility at it's Rangeley Remote Training Site which is at NAS Brunswick.

You were in the military and you don't even know that whatever branch you claimed to have "served" in was part of the DoD??? You are a joke!

Virtually every entity under USSOCOM is referred to broadly as SO not SF. The only such entity to technically refer to themselves as SF are Army SF. Only people who watch movies (maybe such as yourself) refer to all SO as SF. Even Force Recon is now MARSOC.

I don't know what part of I was once in the military you don't get but I was SERE trained while in the military. My SERE training had nothing to do with my consulting work for USSOCOM at McDill years later nor did I ever say that.

I'll say this again, you seriously dishonor yourself, your family and all of those who have accomplish things you clearly have not by claiming to be something you're not.

You were an operator but you don't even know your chain of command and that all of the military is part of the DoD???

 

[Hot Mega]

With every post you continue to show how big of a lying, clueless fraud you are.

You're not only clueless on the subject you are now trying to misrepresent what I've posted here.

Anyone who knows anything about SERE knows the Navy operates it's only cold weather SERE training facility at it's Rangeley Remote Training Site which is at NAS Brunswick.

You were in the military and you don't even know that whatever branch you claimed to have "served" in was part of the DoD??? You are a joke!

Virtually every entity under USSOCOM is referred to broadly as SO not SF. The only such entity to technically refer to themselves as SF are Army SF. Only people who watch movies (maybe such as yourself) refer to all SO as SF. Even Force Recon is now MARSOC.

I don't know what part of I was once in the military you don't get but I was SERE trained while in the military. My SERE training had nothing to do with my consulting work for USSOCOM at McDill years later nor did I ever say that.

I'll say this again, you seriously dishonor yourself, your family and all of those who have accomplish things you clearly have not by claiming to be something you're not.

You were an operator but you don't even know your chain of command and that all of the military is part of the DoD???

Just so you don't become confused again by your inability or refusal to read what I post on this subject.

While I eventually worked out of McDill at one point in my civilian life..when I state "tip of the spear" and my SERE training applying to that duty...that means as a military operator under USSOCOM of which all members of the organization are considered "tip of the spear" no matter where they are deployed or operate.

 

[Mrs Jolly]

From the upcoming time magazine.

The most successful interrogation of an al-Qaeda operative by U.S. officials required no sleep deprivation, no slapping or ‘walling’ and no waterboarding. All it took to soften up Abu Jandal, who had been closer to Osama bin Laden than any other terrorist ever captured, was a handful of sugar-free cookies.”

 

[googlymoogly111]

Remember that 183 and 83 means that any time a drop of water touched them it was counted as waterboarding.

This means that it could have been 2 sessions for the first guy where they dropped water on him 90 times.

NOt saying I love torture, but pointing out facts that the general media will not.

 

[Facial_King]

Who says they are terrorists? If anyone's got any proof, why not convict them infront of any national or international tribunal?

Not that US courts hold any wieght of justice in my opinion - proven and undesputed five/six counts of murder in cold blood and raping a 12 year old, and no death sentence?
Yet tortured to hell and back men, with no proof from anybody and your calling for their blood?

Wow, just wow

What do you think of this post, Hotmega and Facial King?

Which post - yours???

Some specific part of it, or the whole thing? I'm asking because some aspects of it are unclear.

 

[Hot Mega]

Detainee claims to have lied under CIA torture

FWIW

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, an accused top Al-Qaeda operative and self-confessed mastermind of the September 11 attacks, claimed to have lied under torture by the CIA, according to government transcripts released Monday.

"I just make up stories," he said in broken English, telling a 2007 military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay of an interrogation session during which he was asked about the location of Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden.

"Where is he? I don't know. Then he torture me," said Mohammed, the self-confessed mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

"Then I said: 'Yes, he is in this area or this is Al-Qaeda...' I said no, they torture me."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090616/pl_afp/usattackstorturerights;_ylt=AsIgO3loWV2tiLk5zrztC1MUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTMycmV1djFiBGFzc2V0Ay9hZnAvMjAwOTA2MTYvcGxfYWZwL3VzYXR0YWNrc3RvcnR1cmVyaWdodHMEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDa2V5YWwtcWFpZGFk

 

[bustybbwlover]

^ and that's why torture doesn't work, time and again we humans have found that if we torture people they will tell us anything we want to hear