assault weapons ban!!

[AFA]

I didn't know that. I thought Joe Kennedy was known for alleged insider trading, liquor sales and real estate?

"You know it is time to sell when the shoe-shine boy tries to give you stock tips."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.#Business_career

 

[ninetysixcavy]

We don't know that, it's never been tried. In the UK, there is a very clear correlation. No-one knows in the US because guns have never been outlawed.
Do you think that letting the people decide what they want with regards to the legality of guns - a vote, the majority decision becomes the new law - is a silly proposition? That's called democracy. You don't get your way, I don't get my way (after all, we are 2 in 300 million), but the 300 million get it *their* way. It is 300 million times more *their* country than it is ours. You know what I mean?

AND THEY NEVER WILL BE

 

[ninetysixcavy]

Right on AFA, I thought Auto's was $5,000. just think how much $$$$$$ OUR GOVERNMENT, THAT WE ALLREADY PAY, AND HAS BETTER HEALTH CARE THAN THE REST OF US HAVE, BETTER PENSION PLAN, CAN PUT IN THERE POCKETS!!! Remember "Ol Joe Kennedy", he made his riches selling scrap iron & steel to Japan before WWII. With the Dems. in Congress & House, we're ( The American People ) are just about screwed ALL the way around.
If they ever, I mean ever go to take away the guns, there will be a REVOLT in this country!!!
But what really gets me, they ( Our Stupid Elected Officials ) don't really grasp at whats really going on!!! If they take our guns away, we hand them over in a trance, because they cast there spell on us, ALL of us. Do you think they'll stop there??????? No Friggin Way!!! They will continue to take & take & take!!! If you don't know what I mean, it's this $$$$$$$$ other words MONEY!!!!
Now, if the guns are gone, and you want to get rid of someone, most people have the neatest thing thanks to Mr. Ford!!! The car, pick-up, motor-cycle, hell, a bike can knock a person over!!! How about a 40 Ton ( That's 80,000 lbs ) 18 wheeler!!!! Make em flat as a pancake!!!! There's kitchen knives & cleavers, remember Lorina Bobbit??????
Banning Guns Ain't The Answer, Never Was, Never Will Be!!!! It's The People!!! There The Ones At Fault, And Make's It Bad For The Rest Of Us!!!

Don't ever let our criminal government take that right away. I ask every red blooded patriot on this board to fight to the death if they ever try to walk in your (PRIVATE) home and castrate you! NEVER! Never never never! :ak47:

People who don't understand this, with all due respect, are communists and lemmings. :crash: Just reading this discussion board with even the thought of castrating me makes me want to grab the yellow pages and find a gun dealer.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

But no-one gets this mad, 96cavy, about all the other rights they have taken away from you... just the right to have a gun...

So if the people of America were able to vote on everything as I want them to, and they voted by 60% majority to outlaw personal guns, then would you want to shoot all of them too? That's a lot of people dropped over your personal opinion. You call it a right, but like I said, you also have a right to shoot up coke, and look at animal porn, but it's a right the government (and society's moral standards) say you *don't* have. So why aren't you fighting for those things too?


They are in England. One of the better things about the place. This place has a lot of good things too, before you tell me "then go back there etc". As I tell others, no matter how loud, big or bold you write it, it doesn't make it any more true. You're still one voice in 300 million. You don't know what the future holds. I hope one day, the law represents what the majority of that 300 million wants instead of just the ones with bold type and bullets.

Fox

Even you know how criminal our regime is; they're literally on the scale with imperialist Nazi Germany. So why would you want the central government to take away our rights when they don't even LISTEN to us? 90% of Americans want the border closed. Our politicians have failed, and they failed abismally. Even if they were competent, I would still be angry, but the fact that they ARE SO incompetent, really makes my blood boil when someone says they should have even more control over me.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

I believe the closed border thing is more like 50-50 if even. I don't care what the statistics say, I'd have to conduct the research myself to believe that. Plus, I have never heard that statistic before.

If it were anywhere near true, I would put that down to all of the anti-foreigner propaganda in our media. Also a few years with closed borders would show America what happens to an economy when no-one is allowed in to do the lesser paid jobs. Also, what harm are the foreigners doing?

And as for saying the government should have more control: I don't believe that. I think Americans should vote on everything, even closing the border. And we'll see what happens. I think people would vote to outlaw guns, and keep the borders open but restricted, and if I was wrong, I would obviously go with the majority decision cause that's fair, and no-one could ever say the government took away rights. I believe you feel about foreigners and guns the way the government wants you to feel (uber patriotic, angry against immigrants, keeps your mind off the real issues: why is your money not being spent on better schools and healthcare for your kids).

Anyway... I'm sorry you got mad, and peace to you.

Fox

It's all good. The rest of my cohorts are doing a fine job defending our rights to protect our families. I'm sure if you lived where I lived you would feel the way I do...especially when you have mingled with the worst of the worst and you know the worst all have guns. If you live in a suburb/gated community like Bush and his precious little girls away from reality then maybe that's why you feel the way you do. Although I'm speaking from anecdotal evidence, many of my fellow patriots on this board already know that. I have to head off now, I'm sure my counterparts will leave you with pleanty of points to argue with. I'm not bitter, but I do disagree with you.

BTW, the 90% may be a little high (about that issue), but here are some stats here:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1100

Either way, it's a moot point to the discussion we're having here. It's irrelevant, frankly. The point is our government is corrupt and incompetent and it does say in the DOI that we have a right to overthrow those corrupt nazis if we have to. Also, the B.O.R. states it is our God given American right to keep and bear arms. Lastly, Fox, if we have a vote, Iam pretty sure a landslide would be in favor of their/our/your rights to protect yourself.

96C, signin' off.

 

[pathfinder]

oh yeah... I'm so out of this one. It's like arguing with fresh produce.

 

[AFA]

People's opinions are strong in their beliefs, whether we agree or not. It's like "12 Angry Men", probably the greatest film ever made. The 11 member majority tried to convince the 1 lone holdout, but one by on joined him. http://imdb.com/title/tt0050083/

In some ways if they strongly agree with us we like it. If they don't agree with them, we want to convince them of their error. Problem is they see us the same way.

You wouldn't want soldiers in a battle to suddenly change sides because of something they heard on the radio or read in a note dropped from a plane.

 

[Philbert]

Duck!:violent:

What a world, what a world!........the Wicked Witch (while melting)

I for one do not want to be disarmed, or denied legal arming.
There is a long way from stupid gun restrictions to disarmament.
If you truly feel like you may need to defend America from America in the future, put away some things for later.
For the immediate future, guns are and will be a control problem for the major population centers.
One thing I will not do, is not accept the future as it comes. No one can truly believe that everything changes (ridden on an Interstate in your horse-drawn buggy recently?) except life as you know and like it.
Does anyone think that in a hundred years things will be like they are now?
Guns will be out of the picture like as not, although no one can really see just how things will turn out.
Either they will be not allowed or unneccessary. Either way, I will not start fighting America violently because I don't like the law. If people accept a shift in gun ownership, without changing the leadership supporting the change, then that's the will of the majority. I will accept that if it it happens.
I have voted my conscience many times and contravened the law, and I suppose I will have my private collection safe from prying eyes.
There are millions of firearms out there, and taking them out of circulation would be very hard to do. I don't see an effective gathering-up happening anytime soon.
Better to keep the controls already in place and phase it out slowly.
If civil insurrection ever occured, firearms would be available instantly. I hope there is never such a thing.
But...give me some cash and a few trucks, and I'll go to most anywhere in Africa and fill those trucks with every kind of weapon.
Elsewhere it's just as easy.
I don't forsee the need for an American Insurrection, though. Too many other things to be done here.:2 cents:

 

[glk35]

just thought id say that i ordered a couple of ar-15's today "go me" lol. I will have owned 7 of them currrently owning 3. plus got 14 30 round mags today. and still havent been able to use any of them illegally just for sport shooting and tactical training. feels nice to live in a country that i can do that, for now. as far as anyone with a different opinion that doesnt live in the same country your opinions dont count because you have no idea. and if you have somthing to say about it dont because your right of freedom of speech has been taken away.
not really but that would be how I feel if somone tried to take anything from me, speech or guns. thats just me.

 

[glk35]

That reminds me of when you tell a kid not to eat chocolate and he goes and gets twice as much chocolate as he would have gotten and eats it grinning. Just kidding.

OK no seriously, you and the others are so adamant about no right being taken away from you, so someone answer me, I've asked this 10 times and haven't received one single answer:

Why are you not screaming and protesting about your right to:
Use drugs
Build bombs
Possess "illegal" fireworks
Produce or distribute animal/scat/simulated r*** porn
Hire a prostitute

These and a million other rights are taken away from you by the government, whether they're things you'd want to do or not, it's the same principle as taking your gun or your freedom of speech, so why are you not bothered that these "freedoms" are illegal?

Fox

where does it say that any of those are a right? I dont use drugs only build bombs for special ocasions, I run a fireworks stand so dont need illegals, only watch animal porn when im bored and am married so dont need a prostitute. jsut an ocasional lap dance. I do however incorporate guns into my every day life I have my ccw and also hunt a lot now when i say a lot that doesnt mean 1 or 2 weekends a year that means there are only 4 months of the year that i am fishing a lot the rest of the time i hunt about 2 to 3 days a week. I want my son to be able to shoot and hunt like i have and not have to worry about all the bullshit they are trying to put over on our rights. basically whats going on right now wont pass because its to restrictive, but they will go on and lessen it all and have a better chance of getting it passed because the stupid people will be like " hey okay its not near as bad as the first one" Its going to be another brady bill " 1994 ban" but permenatly. Im not going to get caught with my pants down on this one. So be it if I get all the chocolate i can afford or get my hands on, thats still my right and im going to get everything I can.

 

[YMIHERE]

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

It is interesting that the 2nd Amendment is the only one of the Bill of Rights to mention the regulation of a right.

 

[DevinnLaneLover]

Even you know how criminal our regime is; they're literally on the scale with imperialist Nazi Germany. So why would you want the central government to take away our rights when they don't even LISTEN to us? 90% of Americans want the border closed. Our politicians have failed, and they failed abismally. Even if they were competent, I would still be angry, but the fact that they ARE SO incompetent, really makes my blood boil when someone says they should have even more control over me.

I wouldn't say they are on the scale of Nazi Germany...read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and you'll see BIG differences.

 

[chrsur]

“The individual right to bear arms is the dividing line between free people and oppression”

"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals"

“Free men are armed. Slaves are not”

I think these quotes speak for themselves

 

[Member2019]

I wouldn't say they are on the scale of Nazi Germany...read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and you'll see BIG differences.

The quickest way to make oneself look ignorant is to make such statements just like the person you responded to did.
I won't even respond to him.

At that point, they aren't interested in debate, but demonization and hate.
It's much more difficult to look at a leader's viewpoint, show how its wrong, explaining exactly why.

I will only engage those who are interested in debating the issues, and not just labeling.
I think that's why German's previous leader fell on his own statement and comparisons of W. to Hitler.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

The quickest way to make oneself look ignorant is to make such statements just like the person you responded to did.
I won't even respond to him.

At that point, they aren't interested in debate, but demonization and hate.
It's much more difficult to look at a leader's viewpoint, show how its wrong, explaining exactly why.

I will only engage those who are interested in debating the issues, and not just labeling.
I think that's why German's previous leader fell on his own statement and comparisons of W. to Hitler.

Comparing Shrub boy and his cronies to Nazi Germany is a bit of a stretch, I will admit (I voted for him by the way, in 2000) However, the correlation between a healthy government and the right to bear arms was not: http://www.saveourguns.com/nazirepression.htm

 

[DevinnLaneLover]

Guns should be registered..just like cars, boats, property, etc. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If you're on the up and up I don't see why anyone would have anything to worry about.

And I doubt very much the American government would pull anything remotely close to what the Nazis did. The only thing I could see them doing is slapping a tax on gun owners (anything to make a buck of course).

Anyone who compares the American government to that of the Nazis needs to really pick up a history book.

 

[AFA]

Guns should be registered..just like cars, boats, property, etc. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If you're on the up and up I don't see why anyone would have anything to worry about.

And I doubt very much the American government would pull anything remotely close to what the Nazis did. The only thing I could see them doing is slapping a tax on gun owners (anything to make a buck of course).

Anyone who compares the American government to that of the Nazis needs to really pick up a history book.

Well, if all politicians were as honest as they claim to be, that would be fine. But every taxpayer knows, what happens when a temporary toll or tax comes up to pay for a special project, that after the project is paid, the tax or toll never goes away. NYC bridges are one solid example of this.

While they might want a "simple" registration in the beginning, it opens the door for a lot more control including surrender or confiscation in the future. As a homeowner or taxpayer, do you really trust government?

 

[Red Spyder]

Damn, after reading this whole thread I've been thinking that I've never owned a gun but I guess I better go out and buy myself that shiny new .40 cal HK USP before it's unlawful to buy one.

 

[Renegade1Oh]

Thanks AFA, I forgot ol Joe Kennedy was a "Rum Runner" also!!! Thinking to myself, 200+Million, legally licensed Firearms in America today, I don't think it will pass. Look at the illegals coming accross our southern borders. Also on the NEWS today, 4 years ago, New York Special Police unit caught some Iranians looking at Subway's & Trainlines. Ain't no way I'm giving up my guns!!

:ak47:

 

[AFA]

They just finally took the tolls off going into downtown Buffalo. They were introduced in the 70s as part of an 18 month plan to pay off the cost of something. They conveniently forgot to remove them for the best part of 30 years.

Fox

Same thing goes on here although I was a victim of my former NYC tolls.

They assume people will get used to it and forget to complain about taking it off when you're used to paying it.