Scenario: Let's say Bama loses a game and the rest of the top teams stay their course. Who do you think would/should play FSU?
Ohio State
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Stanford has a loss, but the most quality wins. Baylor is second, but is undefeated. Ohio State has a cupcake schedule, but they would be undefeated for two straight seasons. Answer? A playoff system. :-D
I'd prefer to see Stanford in that game, but it would probably end up being Ohio State, even though they're not really a tested team with their weak schedule. Could be Baylor. That would be quite a feather in that program's cap.
My choice would be Baylor. Here's why:
Yes, Stanford only has 1 loss, but that loss came to a Utah Team that is currently 4-4.
You're right about Ohio State. They have a weak schedule.
I didn't realize it until today, but Baylor is averaging over 700 yards a game and they're on pace to break the points scored record in a single season. I'd like to see this team playing anyone in the BCS game.
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Jagger69
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Very astute observations. Baylor used to be a perennial doormat in the Big 12 until Art Briles arrived. He's also largely responsible for serious gold stars on Kevin Sumlin's resume that include results of a powerhouse team he built at Houston led by Case Keenum and company. Those guys were Briles' recruits, not Sumlin's. Problem is, Waco is literally in the middle of nowhere and has a hard time getting the national press to notice it. Amazingly, that is slowly beginning to change. Last night's game was sort of a coming-out party for the under-appreciated Bears.
If the University of Texas had any sense (which I continue to doubt with each passing week), they would stop their ridiculous pursuit of Nick Saban and hire Briles. The guy just builds winning teams that consistently are literal offensive juggernauts. Eventually, a high-profile institution is going to snap him up. The Horns better not wait too long.
If Baylor goes undefeated, they would trump a 1-loss Stanford team for sure if there is any justice in this idiotic BCS process (no guarantees there!). If Ohio State remains unbeaten, they would provide a serious BSC challenge due to reputation alone. A dark-horse contender might emerge in Missouri should they run the table with their remaining schedule and then somehow defeat Alabama in the SEC championship. Your first reaction to that scenario might be to laugh but Missouri has the type of team that could give the Tide some trouble....a powerful offense led by a read-option type QB in James Franklin (assuming he's healthy) and a solid, stout defense that can put serious pressure on the QB (the same recipe that A & M used to take Bama down last year). Yeah, yeah....I know it's not likely but it's certainly possible. I mean, this IS (after all), college football!
So what do they do if Missouri wins the SEC and Baylor stays undefeated? My dream scenario is for that to happen and for Ohio State to win out as well along with a more-than-likely FSU ACC championship in the offing. I may be a Canes fan but I'm not stupid (am I?). With Duke Johnson out, Miami is running on 3 cylinders and their defense simply isn't good enough to slow down a power offense like FSU so....easy to connect the dots in the ACC from my perspective.
Anyway....things are starting to get interesting as events start to come together. College football rocks!!! Way better than the NFL IMO.
And this is why I wish Jagger was around more.
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You're working on a lot of assumptions here. Bama is not a lock for the SEC game. They still have to get by LSU and Auburn.
Also, Missouri has to get by Texas A&M.
Jagger69
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Well of course I am. Until they actually play the games, any speculation is an assumption, isn't it? Nothing is a lock in college football. I'm just playing "what if?" like everyone else, Connor.
Dipping my toe back in the water, Dirk. Not quite ready to dive in.
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Even if Franklin isn't crisp from what I've seen Maty mauk has filled in nicely. That kid might be a pretty good QB for the next few years, I'm impressed, not many kids could just come right in and win games like that as a freshman. I still think Florida State is a lock for one of the Championship slots.
Les Miles sank to a new low. Bama has a suspect secondary and a rock solid defensive line, so the obvious game plan is pass the ball. Instead, he tries to force a running game. 31 attempts, 43 yards, truly pathetic.
Gary Danielson, the CBS sports announcer is truly a moron. It was utterly disgusting to listen to him campaign for AJ McCarron to get the Heisman. The Heisman is supposed to be about the best player of the season, not in a career, and even that would be highly debatable in McCarron's case.
Gary Danielson, the CBS sports announcer is truly a moron. It was utterly disgusting to listen to him campaign for AJ McCarron to get the Heisman. The Heisman is supposed to be about the best player of the season, not in a career, and even that would be highly debatable in McCarron's case.
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AP third team All-American
• Second team All-SEC
• Finalist for Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award
• 24-2 (.923) as a starter at Alabama
• Leads nation (173.08) in passing efficiency
• Alabama record 26 passing touchdowns in 2012
• Went 291 pass attempts (2011-12) without throwing an interception (second-longest streak in SEC history) pretty damn impressive to me. unless you have on anti crimson tide glasses. if they dont win another game they have dominated college football the last 3 years. i can live with that.
i guess all you have to do is beat a washed up okl. team to be national championship material. that is where boise st got their start and was in the way for years. most of us knew they couldnt play grown man football game after game. i think they finally got the message. now we have baylor. who is playing good (in their class) they will be put in their place before the year is out. they will lose 2 of their next 4 so they wont be a problem. if bama beats auburn look for one HELLA game for the NC. if auburn beats bama. flat st will cut ohio st to ribbons . just like bama did the green men last year.
You completely miss the point, and your facts are wrong.
The Heisman isn't about what a player did last year, or the year before, it's about what a player does this year.
And, McCarron led the NCAA in passing efficiency last year (175.28). This year, he's ranked 8th.
stats are not the only thing they go by. who you have made them stats against has a whole lot to do with everything. i think he has it in the sack. unless he has a terrible day at auburn. and bud them stats i posted above is not my facts. you will need to talk to google if they dont match yours. i mean after 2 national championships and lining up to play for another he is doing something right.
Jagger69
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Danielson would be the worst college football TV personality if it weren't for Brent Musberger. That said, there's no way McCarron wins the Heisman. The Heisman Trophy is supposed to represent the best player in college football. Smoker....can you honestly tell me that, in your opinion, McCarron is the best player in college football?
I hate to say it as a Longhorn fan but Johnny Manziel is the best player in college football so, much to my chagrin, I say he should be the leader at this stage of the season. The dude has passed for over 3,300 yards and has either passed or rushed for 39 TDs. No one else even comes close. Pick Winston as a alternate if you want to but I don't like freshmen being Heisman winners unless they are head-and-shoulders above the field.
Besides. it's a figurehead award (like the Cy Young in baseball) and really means nothing in the long run. McCarron's a really good college QB and has a great shot at leading the Tide to another NC but he ain't winning the Heisman, no way.
I hate to say it as a Longhorn fan but Johnny Manziel is the best player in college football so, much to my chagrin, I say he should be the leader at this stage of the season. The dude has passed for over 3,300 yards and has either passed or rushed for 39 TDs. No one else even comes close. Pick Winston as a alternate if you want to but I don't like freshmen being Heisman winners unless they are head-and-shoulders above the field.
Besides. it's a figurehead award (like the Cy Young in baseball) and really means nothing in the long run. McCarron's a really good college QB and has a great shot at leading the Tide to another NC but he ain't winning the Heisman, no way.
Good to see you Jagger
Jagger69
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Thanks Blue C....:hatsoff: Much appreciated! :thumbsup:
You want some facts, okay...
McCarron is not a running quarterback. Evidence: -22 yards rushing thru 9 games.
McCarron lines up behind one of the best offensive lines in the country. This means he can drop back in the pocket and make himself a sandwich before he has to get rid of the ball.
So, how many passing yards does he have? 2041 thru 9 games.
And how does that compare? There are exactly 41 quarterbacks in the NCAA that have more passing yardage.
McCarron's Stats
Completion %: ranked 8th
_QB Rating %: ranked 8th
__Touchdowns: ranked 20th
Face it smokey, these are not Heisman numbers.
So, who does have the numbers:
Sean Mannion (Oregon State): The most passing yards in the NCAA right now, but the voters are stupid. They don’t look at the best player. They look at the win-loss column as part of their criteria and fail to consider that football is a team sport without considering that rest of the team is not pulling their weight in regards to what Mannion is doing.
Connor Halliday (Washington State): Simply put, he’s in the same boat as Sean Mannion. Not enough wins.
Derek Carr (Fresno State): Undefeated and ranked 2nd behind Mannion in passing yardage, but it’s Fresno State, so he won’t get enough attention.
Jordan Lynch (Northern Illinois): Almost 2,000 yards passing, over 1,000 yards rushing and his team is unbeaten, but like Derek Carr, playing for a small school won’t get him enough attention.
Bryce Petty (Baylor) and Jameis Winston (Florida State): I mention both at the same time because their passing and rushing yards are almost identical. However, Bryce Petty is the better quarterback. He has less interceptions, less sacks and a much higher QB rating.
Johnny Manziel (Texas A&M): You can’t argue that he has tons of talent, but his mouth and actions alienated a lot of voters this year, he’s saddled with a pathetic defense and the 2 losses have the voters fooled. Remember, those losses came to #1 Alabama and #7 Auburn.
.Who should win.____________Who will (probably) win
1) Johnny Manziel___________1) Jameis Winston
2) Sean Mannion_____________2) Bryce Petty
3) Bryce Petty______________3) Johnny Manziel
4) Jameis Winston___________4) ? (I think the voters may surprise us here)
5) Jordan Lynch_____________5) AJ McCarron (he does not deserve it)
Imagine this, Manziel and Mike Evans with Bama's offensive line and Stanford's defense. Manziel would never lose while passing for close to 6,000 and running for over 2,000.
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