2011/2012 NCAA Football Thread

[YumiYumi_1988]

You're just being stubborn.

In the past, voters in the human polls and coaches in their poll have tried to manipulate the final poll by voting a team higher than they deserve and/or much lower than they deserve. Trust me, the vast majority of the country doesn't want a LSU/Bama rematch and if the Sooners roll over, those voters are gonna try and fuck Bama out of that rematch.

Of course, all this is moot if Oklahoma destroys the Cowboys as they should.

I agree. I still believe Oklahoma State will get pushed in if they win (tho I don't think they will). I wouldn't be surprised if some voters actually put Alabama at 4th (behind Virginia Tech) cuz they didn't win their conference. And OSU and Bama do have comparable computer numbers after all, and beating OU would surely entrench their computer standing at number 2.

Even though I believe the title game should be between conference champions, it's up to the BCS to make that stipulation. It's the BCS' job to ensure this, not the voters. So if you believe Bama is the 2nd best team, vote them. Use myself as an example. I have Alabama at #2 and Oklahoma State #3. If it were up to me (and it's not), I'd have Okie State play in the NC. But it's up to the system in place to decide that, not me, and I'm not gonna alter my vote to fuck over a team. But sadly, I think some will do just that.

Btw I think Georgia has a longshot chance at making the title game......if we have doosmday scenario like we did in '07

And thankfully Dennis Erickson has been fired at ASU. Mike Leach, Gary Patterson, Sonny Dykes, Chris Petersen, Kevin Sumlin, Mike Gundy, Jeff Fisher, Kirby Smart. That's my shortlist.

Finally.......my top 10

1 - LSU
2 - Alabama
3 - Oklahoma State
4 - Oregon
5 - Stanford
6 - Virginia Tech
7 - South Carolina
8 - Georgia
9 - Southern Cal
10 - Michigan State

 

[rwill25]

Of course, all this is moot if Oklahoma destroys the Cowboys as they should.

Don't know about that.OU hasn't been the same without Ryan Broyles and Ronnell Lewis. The strength of the OU defense was their pass-rush, probably the best in the nation. But when Lewis left in the 2nd quater of the Baylor game, RG3 had all day to throw.

Now that OU has been hit with the injury bug, I think this is OSU's year.

 

[PJpenny]

And thankfully Dennis Erickson has been fired at ASU. Mike Leach, Gary Patterson, Sonny Dykes, Chris Petersen, Kevin Sumlin, Mike Gundy, Jeff Fisher, Kirby Smart. That's my shortlist.

Kevin Sumlin would be an interesting choice. Mike Leach is going to come with a contract heavily loaded with behavior incentives after how his time at TTech ended, which i dont think he would accept given he sued the school after his firing. Chris Peterson is the most stubborn coach, always gets offers but turns everything down..than again, Dan Hawkins was the same way before he finally took up Colorado's offer..Gary Patterson has been the same as Chris Peterson. Nick Saban historically has barred his coordinators from talking to the media and interviewing for jobs, i dont see anything going on there. Thats as much as i know about that list, intriguing, i can see ASU really going after some of those guys, im sure theyll want to steer clear of Boise St. after Dirk Cutter was a dud for them tho.

 

[MILF Man]

Everybody WANTS to play for a National Championship. The only difference is Alabama was less than 2 minutes from ACTUALLY playing in the National Championship, Utah always KNEW they wouldn't.

And you just made my point. Utah DID NOT want to play UA, they wanted to play for the National Championship.

 

[Basedow]

And you just made my point. Utah DID NOT want to play UA, they wanted to play for the National Championship.

You're missing the point. A BCS bowl game was Utah's goal from the beginning, it was not Alabama's goal. Alabama's goal was to play for the National Championship. They checked out after they lost to Florida. Utah got exactly what they wanted.

 

[Connor Macleod]

I agree. I still believe Oklahoma State will get pushed in if they win (tho I don't think they will). I wouldn't be surprised if some voters actually put Alabama at 4th (behind Virginia Tech) cuz they didn't win their conference. And OSU and Bama do have comparable computer numbers after all, and beating OU would surely entrench their computer standing at number 2.

Even though I believe the title game should be between conference champions, it's up to the BCS to make that stipulation. It's the BCS' job to ensure this, not the voters. So if you believe Bama is the 2nd best team, vote them. Use myself as an example. I have Alabama at #2 and Oklahoma State #3. If it were up to me (and it's not), I'd have Okie State play in the NC. But it's up to the system in place to decide that, not me, and I'm not gonna alter my vote to fuck over a team. But sadly, I think some will do just that.

Btw I think Georgia has a longshot chance at making the title game......if we have doosmday scenario like we did in '07

I don't see Georgia making it, even if they win in a blowout of LSU. If you believe the sports commentators, LSU is a lock to go, even if they lose to Georgia.

Right now, the best thing that could happen for the BCS is for Okie State to lose. If they win and stay at 3rd in the BCS, there's gonna be controversy. If they win and move to 2nd in the BCS, Holy Hell will bust open among the Tide fans. I've wanted the BCS to be fucked up every year, but this is not what I envisioned.

 

[smoknn]

i cant see to save my life how you guys think anyone else deserves to play the big game but bama and lsu??after watching both play all year they are the only game either team has broke a sweat from all year i think they both made a statement the last game ..as far as okl st goes..after losing to iowah st..did you guys see the way lsu rUn over a good arkansas team..if we see a good nc game we all better hope they play bama..any other team it will be a cake walk for lsu (not counting georgia they have no say in this not finishing in the top ten) it would take lsu 2 qtrs to take okie st apart piece by piece its clear to me and all that dont hate the SEC who the best 2 teams in the nation is..REMATCH!! in new orleans.....nobody wants to see it huh?
maybe not but it will be sold out..and every football fan in the nation will be tuned in.

 

[rwill25]

i cant see to save my life how you guys think anyone else deserves to play the big game but bama and lsu??after watching both play all year they are the only game either team has broke a sweat from all year i think they both made a statement the last game ..as far as okl st goes..after losing to iowah st..did you guys see the way lsu rUn over a good arkansas team..if we see a good nc game we all better hope they play bama..any other team it will be a cake walk for lsu (not counting georgia they have no say in this not finishing in the top ten) it would take lsu 2 qtrs to take okie st apart piece by piece its clear to me and all that dont hate the SEC who the best 2 teams in the nation is..REMATCH!! in new orleans.....nobody wants to see it huh?
maybe not but it will be sold out..and every football fan in the nation will be tuned in.

Nobody wants to see it because we already saw it... and it was awful. And I'm not going to take time out of my day to watch a game I already know how it's going to play out (final score 5 to 3).

This rematch is totally unfair to LSU. Bama losing to LSU was the best thing to happen to them.

 

[ragincaucasian]

you really think you'd get the exact same result in a rematch?

 

[Jagger69]

Lots of opinions offered up here since I last checked in so I might as well put my 2 cents in....

It's now evident that the long-standing joke that is the BCS will likely play out with Alabama and LSU meeting in the national championship game. Like it or not, that's what the system says should happen (no way does OSU jump 'Bama no matter what). There are a number of things about this fact that are grossly unfair (beginning with Alabama basically receiving a bye as a result of them not having won their division) but they do nothing to change the reality of its legitimacy. It's what the NCAA has signed off on as the way the national champion is determined and we, as fans, have no choice but to accept it. I can only hope that Alabama barely wins this game (a last-second field goal would be perfect) and is thereby crowned champion....causing every crazy Bayou Bengal fan from Shreveport to Thibodeaux to throw a major shit-fit and cause the TV pundits to universally call for an end to this fatally-flawed system once and for all. Thing is, they can bitch all they want....it won't matter.

The only way this makes any difference is if the TV ratings for this SEC rematch are so dismal that sponsors threaten to back out in the future unless there is a change. Otherwise, the powers that be are all-too-happy to simply carry on with the ridiculous charade that is currently in place to choose a contrived champion for college football. Frankly, unless you have a rooting interest for one team or the other or are just so rabidly devoted to the SEC that nothing else matters, I can't see this game having any appeal at all for college football fans in general. It has already been played. What a shame....

Sidebar: The much-maligned and oft-dismissed Houston Cougars finished off their regular season undefeated last Friday. Say what you want about their schedule but they have done everything that has been asked of them. They'll bust their asses to do more if they are given the opportunity. We'll see how they can face up to a more traditional and established program should they be fortunate enough to make it to a major bowl game. Hopefully, they'll be moving to a BCS conference sometime in the near future. In the meantime, congrats to Coach Sumlin and Case Keenum and crew for a terrific season. It's a program on the rise....and a really fun team to watch.

OK....here is the final set of picks for the season. Man....it just flew by, didn't it?? Abbreviated schedule due to conference championships. Get these in by Thursday before kickoff:

Southern Mississippi at Houston (Conference USA Championship)
West Virginia at South Florida
Texas at Baylor
UNLV at TCU
Wisconsin vs. Michigan State (Big 10 Championship at Indianapolis, IN)
Oklahoma at Oklahoma State
UCLA at Oregon (Pac 12 Championship)
New Mexico at Boise State
Virginia Tech vs. Clemson (ACC Championship at Charlotte, NC
LSU vs. Georgia (SEC Championship at Atlanta, GA)

 

[lurkingdirk]

Southern Mississippi at Houston (Conference USA Championship)
West Virginia at South Florida
Texas at Baylor
UNLV at TCU
Wisconsin vs. Michigan State (Big 10 Championship at Indianapolis, IN)
Oklahoma at Oklahoma State
UCLA at Oregon (Pac 12 Championship)
New Mexico at Boise State
Virginia Tech vs. Clemson (ACC Championship at Charlotte, NC
LSU vs. Georgia (SEC Championship at Atlanta, GA)

 

[Connor Macleod]

... (no way does OSU jump 'Bama no matter what)

If you truly believe that, then you don't know your history. In the past, the BCS system has been manipulated by voters and coaches and it can be again. This is why they now have the rule where how the voters and coaches vote is made public. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, only that it can happen, and believing that it's impossible is either naive or delusional. As I said earlier, the best thing that can happen for the BCS is for the Sooners to beat the Cowboys, but as we've seen this year, upsets can happen.

 

[PJpenny]

the Ax list so far among underachieving coaches: Ron Zook, Turner Gil, Dennis Erickson, and now Rick Neuhiesle. Anyone NOT surprised by any of these dismissals?

 

[rwill25]

If you truly believe that, then you don't know your history. In the past, the BCS system has been manipulated by voters and coaches and it can be again. This is why they now have the rule where how the voters and coaches vote is made public. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, only that it can happen, and believing that it's impossible is either naive or delusional. As I said earlier, the best thing that can happen for the BCS is for the Sooners to beat the Cowboys, but as we've seen this year, upsets can happen.

I would give OSU 0.1% chance of making it the National Championship game. So, yes, it can happen. Just highly unlikely.

 

[ragincaucasian]

Turner Gill deserves to be canned
the problem is, his contract was essentially tied in with the rest of the staff
They ALL signed up for 2 years, so either you can Gill and strap the next HC with the former staff or you replace them all with Sunbelt-level pay

 

[Jagger69]

If you truly believe that, then you don't know your history.

I know my history, CM. I'm saying that it ain't gonna happen.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

Southern Mississippi at Houston
(I know this games has had a history of upsets. But I would be shocked if UH does not completely demolish USM. The Eagles are not nearly as good as their record says.)
West Virginia at South Florida
(If WVU loses, Cincinnati or Louisville of all teams will be in the BCS. Ugh.)
Texas at Baylor
(Fun little matchup, this is. Big opportunity for Griffin to play while Luck and Richardson sit home on their couches.)
UNLV at TCU
(Trying to figure out retrospectively how TCU lost at home to SMU.)
Wisconsin vs. Michigan State
(MSU this year > MSU last year.)
Oklahoma at Oklahoma State
(This game sounded alot more appealing two weeks ago.)
UCLA at Oregon
(For UCLA, it's is either the Rose Bowl or no bowl at all. Lol.)
New Mexico at Boise State
(Last year Boise had a great team. This year it's a nice team with a great QB. Next year I expect a big dropoff. Although this school does have a good history with QBs....Hendricks, Dinwiddie, Zabransky, Tharp, Moore....)
Virginia Tech vs. Clemson
LSU vs. Georgia (Aaron Murray. 2012 Heisman Trophy winner.)

If all my picks hold and LSU loses, I wanna see Georgia vs. Oregon (only conference champions). But it will be Alabama vs. LSU.

 

[MILF Man]

You're missing the point. A BCS bowl game was Utah's goal from the beginning, it was not Alabama's goal. Alabama's goal was to play for the National Championship. They checked out after they lost to Florida. Utah got exactly what they wanted.

First you say one thing and than you say another. You said, Everybody WANTS to play for a National Championship. Which is it? Everyone wants to play for a National Championship except for Utah?

I may be missing your point but your missing the reality. Every team wants to play for a National Championship.

If UA really wanted to play for a National Championship they would have beaten Florida but they didn't. Guess they really didn't want to play for a National Championship after all.

 

[Basedow]

First you say one thing and than you say another. You said, Everybody WANTS to play for a National Championship. Which is it? Everyone wants to play for a National Championship except for Utah?

I may be missing your point but your missing the reality. Every team wants to play for a National Championship.

If UA really wanted to play for a National Championship they would have beaten Florida but they didn't. Guess they really didn't want to play for a National Championship after all.

Milf Man, do you need everything literally spelled out for you? Everybody wants to play for the National Championship, as if you asked every single team in the country would you rather play for a National Championship or would you rather play in a bowl game not for a National Championship, EVERYONE WOULD WANT to play for a National Championship. Maybe your the one not too in touch with reality because in case you didn't get the memo, only 2 teams GET to play for it. Obviously you don't know how this works because Utah finished that regular season as the #6 ranked team in the country. If you honestly think anyone on this planet including that team expected to be in the BCS title game you're as big a moron as the last sentence of your post lets on that you are, which is why morons like you go on the ignore list:thefinger

 

[rwill25]

^^^^^^

The moment Utah jumped on Alabama for an early lead, the Alabama players were fired up. Ask any player who plays the game, you want to win every game. But Utah was just the better team and won the game.