2010/2011 NCAA Football Thread

[Skyraider22]

That vid is a repost?? Okay...

As far as BE's comments...it's a free country.:dunno:

Listen, there is no loved lost among some UM faithful over RR. His record and a few other things haven't helped.

If something dramatic doesn't happen this season I can't imagine RR returning. Some have bought in a little too much of the system change excuse.

At the end of the day and at some point a football player is a football player and you need to get it done as a coach...

Personally, I think RR is a very good coach and could have worked out at UM (if he doesn't) but he just took the wrong approach straight up and down IMO.

When you take over at a program like UM for $2.5m per...It's not the same as when you took over at WVU for hundreds of thousands then worked your way to a multimillion dollar deal. He's getting paid upfront a multimillion dollar deal which means he has to produce consistent with his salary and accrued experience. RR seemingly came to UM on a WVU plan....well UM ain't WVU (no disrespect) and most of us aren't interested in some coach coming in and taking 5 or 6 years to get us back to roughly where we were before he got there.

When a person works their way up in a career from novice to experienced...employers expect an experienced employee to produce more than they did when they were a novice. That's why they are now getting paid more. Same for coaches IMO.

Sir you make a good point I'm still trying to find out the REAL resaon Carr left Michigan hell his worse season was like 7-5 while he was there(Humm for a team I'm not a big fan of I know a lot about) anyway RR has got his self in a lot of shit and it is getting to a pot of he does not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw out of in other words what the hell is going on what ever happened to 5 year plans why is it win now or get fired Weiss did it with someone else's players and we found out with his players who were very talented but could not get it done and i think RR has the same problem but I have to give it to Michigan they are sticking with him and I them big time props for that but Hot Mega if you could answer one question for me what did Carr do but win games okay the Ohio State thing big deal he is a winner I know the Ohio State-Michigan game is big but really :dunno:I'm just saying and I mean no offense by this

 

[Hot Mega]

Sir you make a good point I'm still trying to find out the REAL resaon Carr left Michigan hell his worse season was like 7-5 while he was there(Humm for a team I'm not a big fan of I know a lot about) anyway RR has got his self in a lot of shit and it is getting to a pot of he does not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw out of in other words what the hell is going on what ever happened to 5 year plans why is it win now or get fired Weiss did it with someone else's players and we found out with his players who were very talented but could not get it done and i think RR has the same problem but I have to give it to Michigan they are sticking with him and I them big time props for that but Hot Mega if you could answer one question for me what did Carr do but win games okay the Ohio State thing big deal he is a winner I know the Ohio State-Michigan game is big but really :dunno:I'm just saying and I mean no offense by this

Carr is very respected at UM. Remember, Carr retired...he wasn't fired. Carr is the kind of coach though that doesn't eat, sleep and drink football and I believe he felt it was time.

But many did have problems with the losses to OSU, not being able to escape Sept. without a loss and most recently being embarrassed by App. St.

But Carr left on his own accord and is still revered by many in the UM family.:2 cents:

 

[Skyraider22]

Carr is very respected at UM. Remember, Carr retired...he wasn't fired.

But many did have problems with the losses to OSU, not being able to escape Sept. without a loss and most recently being embarrassed by App. St.

But Carr left on his own accord and is still revered by many in the UM family.:2 cents:

Okay you are right I don't know what I was thinking and I can somewhat understand some of the losses by all mean the App.State loss and some of the Sept.losses I guess it the whole RR thing don't get me wrong he is good at what he does but like you said it is Michigan not WVU and i totally get where you are coming from now I did a little research Thanks:glugglug:

 

[D-rock]

It didn't help that Rich Rodriguez came in and changed what a lot of players, alumni, and staff saw as a family/comradery type of atmosphere with a lot of tradition and tried to corrupt it into operation like a heartless business. That probably had even more to do with it than trying to change a system or anything on the field.

Another problem he has is that while I think some systems are better than others (in college anyway), you always adjust the they way you play the game and the system to the talent you have available, and not vice versa. That doesn't mean do what has always been done there and you can't change anything, but it also doesn’t mean you should try to pound a square peg into a round hole just because it's the way you want it done or it's "the system". I think he's trying to do that and the appropriate talent isn't necessarily there for it yet.

Not that all this bothers me that much. I don’t like the UM.

 

[Hot Mega]

It didn't help that Rich Rodriguez came in and changed what a lot of players, alumni, and staff saw as a family/comradery type of atmosphere with a lot of tradition and tried to corrupt it into operation like a heartless business. That probably had even more to do with it than trying to change a system or anything on the field.

Another problem he has is that while I think some systems are better than others (in college anyway), you always adjust the they way you play the game and the system to the talent you have available, and not vice versa. That doesn't mean do what has always been done there and you can't change anything, but it also doesn’t mean you should try to pound a square peg into a round hole just because it's the way you want it done or it's "the system". I think he's trying to do that and the appropriate talent isn't necessarily there for it yet.

Not that all this bothers me that much. I don’t like the UM.

A wise coach once told the team I played for, if you're not going to play smart or physical..you'd better be one helluva athlete. Right now UM doesn't have either.

RR's biggest downfall is he came to UM and still recruited like he was at WVU...it's not enough to get good to above average players if you want to make a dramatic turn. Good and above average players have the potential to be great but most likely if they are competing with great players. Good to above average players don't typically get better competing among other good to above average players.

RR needed to come in and get some game changers that can make plays and win those close games while he transitioned the program. Also, here's an analogy....Michigan Stadium is a great stadium it needed some updating and refining here and there. So you build on what's there not tear it down and start all over...that process is not only costly but unnecessarily lengthy... that's why smart people don't rebuild something that isn't broken.

All the other coaches who've made significant, short term turn-arounds (even the ones who took over farrr worse situations than at UM) have taken that approach.

UM's LB coach just took another job and apparently Calvin Magee has interviewed for the So. Florida job. Not a reassuring sign..

Smells like some of them believe there may be an impending "transition" if they don't get it done this year and they are starting to look for soft landings.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

The world is not right while the force is out of balance while the evil empire is down.

All joking aside, I do believe there is a such thing as a “Michigan Man”. It is like when we had Coach Cooper……..great guy, good coach, great recruiter, but I don’t think he ever understood “The Game.”

New AD hire is more evidence of the schism at that school up North.

 

[Hot Mega]

The world is not right while the force is out of balance while the evil empire is down.

All joking aside, I do believe there is a such thing as a “Michigan Man”. It is like when we had Coach Cooper……..great guy, good coach, great recruiter, but I don’t think he ever understood “The Game.”

New AD hire is more evidence of the schism at that school up North.

I would have preferred we go in a direction where the new AD came from a sports circumstance and not just another business guy. We could have just asked Martin to stay for that. Not many have done better than Martin by way of the books during his tenure.

Maybe Brandon will get a chance to hire Harbaugh at some point and it will be like the Canham/Schembechler era but with BCS Championships.:thumbsup:

 

[titsrock]

Atleast Michigan had the guts to try something completely different. Whether or not Michigan Fan has the patience to see if the change will work out appears to be the real issue.

Mega--

Michigan Stadium is a great stadium it needed some updating and refining here and there. So you build on what's there not tear it down and start all over...that process is not only costly but unnecessarily lengthy... that's why smart people don't rebuild something that isn't broken.

The LA Coliseum is a great stadium. It too needs some work. USC basically took your POV and raided TN without having the guts to go in a different direction. We found what we thought was a Pete Carroll clone (remember we technically have only won one NC with Norm Chow as OC) and we're hoping to "keep the status quo"? If we don't secure Norm Chow in all of this mess than it's all for shit, imo.

I think Michigan Football will be better than WVU football if Michigan alums/fans can just relax. I think Michigan Basketball is the sport that has fallen WAY BACK and needs some looking at --from a neutral's perspective--Especially now that Ohio State BBall has been resurrected.

 

[Hot Mega]

Atleast Michigan had the guts to try something completely different. Whether or not Michigan Fan has the patience to see if the change will work out appears to be the real issue.

Mega--


The LA Coliseum is a great stadium. It too needs some work. USC basically took your POV and raided TN without having the guts to go in a different direction. We found what we thought was a Pete Carroll clone (remember we technically have only won one NC with Norm Chow as OC) and we're hoping to "keep the status quo"? If we don't secure Norm Chow in all of this mess than it's all for shit, imo.

I think Michigan Football will be better than WVU football if Michigan alums/fans can just relax. I think Michigan Basketball is the sport that has fallen WAY BACK and needs some looking at --from a neutral's perspective--Especially now that Ohio State BBall has been resurrected.

Hmmm...okay, how long do you give a man who you're paying $2.5m per year? As it stands RR has made $5m already to break every record for futility in UM history..(literally).

Again, I think the man is a good coach but he approached his job at UM the same way he did at WVU. The situations are different; he's not only getting paid far more than when he started at WVU, he's inherited a program that was wining on average 9 games a season.

At this point, UM would have to have a BCS season this year to justify his by then $10m salary to bring him back for a 4th season.

How many coaches have gotten that much money over 4 years and haven't been tremendous successes???

If you are settled on allowing a coach to rebuild and not get well above average results until 4, 5 or 6 years...you sure as heck don't pay one $2.5m to do that...

You get some up and comer you believe in and pay him less than a million.:2 cents:

 

[titsrock]

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How does 5-0 going into Michigan State sound to you? Sounds pretty good to me. I think you could maybe look at replacing him if you lose more than 2 games. But then there's this to deal with (from Wiki)

On July 9, 2008 Rodriguez and WVU agreed to settle the lawsuit. The terms of the settlement stated that the University of Michigan would pay $2.5 million of the settlement. Rodriguez is required to pay WVU the remaining $1.5 million in three installments of $500,000 each, spread over three years starting in January, 2010.

Assuming that UM will be paying this...I think RR is your coach for this season and next before a realistic change will be made.

If he had a legit NC contender at WVU there's no reason he can't do the same thing at UM. Patience.

 

[rwill25]

I don't understand why people are getting mad at Lane Kiffin.

What is he suppose to do? Say no to USC? This is his dream job, of course he's going to leave Tennessee for USC. How often does the best job in college football come around?

It's going to be tough at Tennessee anyways. Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, etc..... Good luck trying to win a national championship there.

USC is not only the best job, but probably the easiest out of the "big 3". USC competion is..... uhhhh.... ummmm..... NOBODY!

Lane Kiffin :glugglug:

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Ohio State announced that they are moving the opener against Marshall to Thursday Sept 2.

I'm not sure if I like it or hate it.

 

[titsrock]

I don't believe for a minute that USC is Lane Kiffin's dream job. He is a ruthless career climber who will fuck over anyone to get what he wants. I doubt he will last at USC beyond 2 seasons. He'll leave SC for something else. Probably the NFL again.

He also has been an unimpressive head coach at the NFL and at UT. Playing Bama close is all he did. Hammering Georgia is nice, but this was the worst Georgia team in years. Losing to ucla in the home opener was not impressive.

Monte Kiffin's Tampa 2 defense ain't "the shit" anymore. Oregon can rip it apart with ease.

I watched Lane Kiffin's press conference. I have no understanding why he accepted the SC job. He seemed to be putting together a decent class at Tennessee. Why not hang around there another 2 years and see how it plays out?

I was excited when I thought Norm Chow was coming aboard. Since Norm turned us down, this hiring looks weak. Only Orgeron is a good hire.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

You would appreciate this one TR.

On the local sports talk station today, Herbstreit was talking about the whole USC situation. You know in Big 10 country we love to hate the Trojans. Herby was saying that because of Pete Corroll’s personality and charisma, it has been very hard for many in Big 10 country to hate USC. But now with Lane Kiffin it will be easy for us to hate USC again.

 

[titsrock]

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Is Herby available to be our OC? I HATE USC over this hire!!!!!! I guess if he actually did something at Tennessee for 3 years...I wouldn't feel bad about trying to poach him.

I will be having a 24/7 boner for Jim Harbaugh I think for the next 2-3 years...:weeping:

Let me clarify though--I will never root against USC ever. I just don't think I'll be witnessing many big wins until we get rid of Mike Garrett and find an AD with a clue.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

I would much rather have Hairball at USC than at that school up north.

(North of Columbus, not north of LA)

 

[rwill25]

He also has been an unimpressive head coach at the NFL and at UT. Playing Bama close is all he did. Hammering Georgia is nice, but this was the worst Georgia team in years. Losing to ucla in the home opener was not impressive.

Monte Kiffin's Tampa 2 defense ain't "the shit" anymore. Oregon can rip it apart with ease.

I watched Lane Kiffin's press conference. I have no understanding why he accepted the SC job. He seemed to be putting together a decent class at Tennessee. Why not hang around there another 2 years and see how it plays out?

I was excited when I thought Norm Chow was coming aboard. Since Norm turned us down, this hiring looks weak. Only Orgeron is a good hire.

Kiffin really had nothing to work with in his first year at Tennessee. The only good player they had was Eric Berry and some decent RBs. He had Jonathan Crompton at QB, who's probably the worst QB I've seen in a while, but still made it work. And Crompton didn't look too bad towards the end of the season. Plus, like you said, he was bringing in a great recruiting class too.

I don't think anyone expected more than 7 wins for Tennessee. They went 7-6, that's only 2 less than USC.

I think he's going to be a major success at USC, but don't expect a complete turnaround early, USC is rebuilding an offensive line. Probably not until his 2nd season we see the ol' USC. And will Monte Kiffin's Tampa 2 defense work? Who knows? But it will attract big time defensive recruits becuase players want to play in an NFL system and play an NFL coach. He did have success in the NFL.

And if I'm wrong...... who cares because I hate USC anyways. :tongue:

 

[bodie54]

I was excited when I thought Norm Chow was coming aboard.

I'm still a bit surprised he didn't. The money would have been better, and UCLA is at least 2 years away from perhaps being a legit national program again. I know Chow thinks the Bruins young QB (Prince) has a lot of upside potential, but from what I've seen he's never going to be the kind of serious downfield threat that would allow Norm to open up the offense. Yeah Chow and Kiffin aren't best buddies, and they're both offensive coaches, but still, it seems like the Bruins lack of personnel is really going limit what Norm can do there for the forseeable future :dunno:

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Maybe Chow wonders why he was not offered the job.

 

[titsrock]

I'm still a bit surprised he didn't. The money would have been better, and UCLA is at least 2 years away from perhaps being a legit national program again. I know Chow thinks the Bruins young QB (Prince) has a lot of upside potential, but from what I've seen he's never going to be the kind of serious downfield threat that would allow Norm to open up the offense. Yeah Chow and Kiffin aren't best buddies, and they're both offensive coaches, but still, it seems like the Bruins lack of personnel is really going limit what Norm can do there for the forseeable future :dunno:

Depending on who you talk to--the idea to demote Norm to QB coach came from Lane Kiffin. I assume that Norm was surprised that Garrett didn't call him first once Pete left. It also sounds like Garrett tried to hire Norm even though whatever hard feelings that exist between Norm and Lame weren't ever even "patched up." Did Garrett forget? Or did he simply not care about Norm's feelings? If Norm accepted the ucla job, isn't it fair to assume that Norm is making enough money to feel satisfied? I think our bonehead AD thought we could splash money at Norm and he would just come slink over to SC....ucla has the second best QB in the West on their roster--Richard Brehart. Norm was simply bright enough not to play him and let him flounder like a true freshman always does.

It doesn't make much sense that ucla with Slick Rick and Normie 3 Heisman can't get offensive players on the squad C'mon. They have a better class right now than SC has coming in. What's surprising is how adept at Defense the Weazel has turned out to be.

ucla will be fine if they don't call TOs when they've lost the game:thefinger

Maybe Chow wonders why he was not offered the job.

Bingo. Chow should've gotten the first call even over that boring nice guy Mike Riley. Frankly I'd be interested to see who Chow would've hired as a Defensive Coordinator.

I seem to think there are several Pac10 teams who know how to destroy the Tampa 2 defense...