2009/2010 NCAA Football

[titsrock]

Eddie George is the best NFL player on that list. Reggie and Leinart --well, the jury is still out. Reggie may not physically be able to make it in the league. Injured too often. Leinart is clearly a lazy punk. If he can't beat out Kurt Warner... maybe he needs to be sent off somewhere, like Buffalo, where he might be able to start...

Mark Ingram--may be the most undeserved Heisman winner of them all. He had a solid, but unspectacular season....

 

[rwill25]

:glugglug: all bama needs now is a NC to make this year the year of the tide!! ingram is the MAN and hes just a soph......you know what that means at least one more year, maybe two..and i think trent richardson is gunna be as good if not better then him :eek:

So, I guess this makes Alabama a "one man team"?

:glugglug: to Mark Ingram, he's the reason Alabama is in the national title.

Nice speech too. :thumbsup:

How many Heisman winner actually SUCCEDED in the NFL?

Here is the list of the past 20 winners
2008 Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB
2007 Tim Tebow Florida QB
2006 Troy Smith Ohio State QB
2005 Reggie Bush Southern California RB
2004 Matt Leinart Southern California QB
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB
2002 Carson Palmer Southern California QB
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan DB/WR
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB
1992 Gino Torretta Miami QB
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB

Not a single one has a super bowl ring at all. how many on that list are actual BUST in the NFL?

Who cares!?!?

This is a collegiate award. Not, who's the best NFL prospect.

Sure, some of those names makes me . But all were great college players and you can't deny that.

BTW, Desmond Howard was a Super Bowl MVP.

 

[bodie54]

I was sorry to see Gerhard narrowly miss
With his stats, along with being an outstanding scholar and a senior, I felt he represented all that the Heisman should stand for.

TEMPLE???

If they DON'T beat Temple...they should be excommunicated from the Pac10:thefinger:thefinger :1orglaugh:

Temple's 9 and 3, dude!
I don't think USC could beat 'em :tongue:

 

[titsrock]

Who cares!?!?

This is a collegiate award. Not, who's the best NFL prospect.

Sure, some of those names makes me . But all were great college players and you can't deny that.

It still does is puzzling why there have been so many misses. And major misses. The majority on that list were complete NFL busts. The majority of those players were from football powers, so they practice against future NFL talent...:dunno:

It is strange.

Needless to say I wouldn't put much stock on Mark Ingram tearing up the NFL in 2 years....:thefinger

 

[titsrock]

I was sorry to see Gerhard narrowly miss
With his stats, along with being an outstanding scholar and a senior, I felt he represented all that the Heisman should stand for.

Completely agree. He actually deserved the award. I know I bang on Ingram, but the guy is just a sophmore. If he's really Heisman-worthy, he should've won it as a Junior or Senior. WAY TOO EARLY to award him. Even smoknn doesn't think he's the best RB on their team...what does that tell you

Temple's 9 and 3, dude!
I don't think USC could beat 'em :tongue:

So if Temple would beat SC this year...then ucla must have no shot.

Temple 63 ucla 6 :dunno: Will Vegas float a 40 pt line out there:dunno:
thefinger)

 

[bodie54]

Temple 63 ucla 6 :dunno: Will Vegas float a 40 pt line out there:dunno:
thefinger)

You're offering me UCLA and 57 points? :glugglug:
How much can I bet?
Are you willing to put up the deed to your home? :wave2:

 

[D-rock]

Eddie George is the best NFL player on that list. Reggie and Leinart --well, the jury is still out. Reggie may not physically be able to make it in the league. Injured too often. Leinart is clearly a lazy punk. If he can't beat out Kurt Warner... maybe he needs to be sent off somewhere, like Buffalo, where he might be able to start...

Mark Ingram--may be the most undeserved Heisman winner of them all. He had a solid, but unspectacular season....

Eddie George is highly overrated. Just look at some of the lackluster yards per carry he put up in a lot of his years.

Sadly about the only person that ended up as a superior talent was Carson Palmer. It's pretty bad when with the winners of about last 20 years there has been about 3 hits and about 17 missed with people that have won the award once they went pro. Actually I have a hard time really considering Ricky Williams as a good success and Charles Woodson underachieved for years. Combined that with Eddie Georges being overrated and it's more like only 1.5 or 2 total really lived up to expectations.

It might not be an award for NFL potential, but when the people that are considered the best players in college fail so often where it becomes epic in scale over time it goes to show how screwed up the award has gotten in recent football history.

 

[smoknn]

How many Heisman winner actually SUCCEDED in the NFL?

Here is the list of the past 20 winners
2008 Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB
2007 Tim Tebow Florida QB
2006 Troy Smith Ohio State QB
2005 Reggie Bush Southern California RB
2004 Matt Leinart Southern California QB
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB
2002 Carson Palmer Southern California QB
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan DB/WR
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB
1992 Gino Torretta Miami QB
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB

Not a single one has a super bowl ring at all. how many on that list are actual BUST in the NFL?

how many of them was from alabama? just mark..dont count your chickens before they hatch:wave2:

 

[Lust]

gratz to ingram. anyone hear his speech? he's a class act. though i wanted my stanford man to get it, i gotta admit, after listening to mark, you gotta have some respect and love for the guy. pretty humble for a guy with all that talent.

actually, there's one coach in particular who could learn a lot from a guy like ingram:

kiffin's ego discovered to be bigger than the horsehead nebula

 

[smoknn]

So, I guess this makes Alabama a "one man team"?

:glugglug: to Mark Ingram, he's the reason Alabama is in the national title.

Nice speech too. :thumbsup:



Who cares!?!?

This is a collegiate award. Not, who's the best NFL prospect.

Sure, some of those names makes me . But all were great college players and you can't deny that.

BTW, Desmond Howard was a Super Bowl MVP.

bama will never be a one man team..today we see eye to eye its a college award not a nfl award which a player earned for his game in ncaa..and like you said..you cant take that away from them. does anyone know what year peyton manning or tom brady won the heisman..i cant find them on the list:rofl:

 

[Hot Mega]

ESPN's Robert Smith..what a dope!

Desmond Howard makes the point that some voters didn't even have Ingram in their top 4 and that the notion is patently absurd.

Robert Smith follows that by de-constructing Ingram on the basis that he only faced 1 top 40 (No. 1 UF) defense all season (not sure about that but I assume he's right).

To me his whole point is moot because Ingram is the most valuable player on the nation's top team so far. I mean, we have to give some credence to UA's record and opponents otherwise why are they No. 1 and not one of the other undefeateds???

Never mind the fact that Ingram did the same thing to the No. 1 defense....

I hope Robert learned his lesson not to defy the word of a man who actually has a Heisman.

I won't even go into his imbecilic rant (wrong again) on the Mark Mangino issue at Kansas.

 

[STDiva]

bama will never be a one man team..today we see eye to eye its a college award not a nfl award which a player earned for his game in ncaa..and like you said..you cant take that away from them. does anyone know what year peyton manning or tom brady won the heisman..i cant find them on the list:rofl:

Are you ripping on Manning and Brady? They probably can't hear you with all those Super Bowl MVP's in their ears.

 

[jasonk282]

Are you ripping on Manning and Brady? They probably can't hear you with all those Super Bowl MVP's in their ears.

Yea sorry smokin but rather have a SB trophys than a heisman anyday. How many of the past heisman winners were on no 1 ranked teams in the nation? Suh and Toby will have an impact in the NFL. Imgram will be lucky he does not get a serous injury befroe he graduates and now ALL EYES will be on him to out perform this season next year.

 

[smoknn]

Are you ripping on Manning and Brady? They probably can't hear you with all those Super Bowl MVP's in their ears.

hell no..i think manning is the best im a colts fan ..just making a point the heisman is a ncaa thing nfl is a differnt horse, differnt color,in a differnt race a lot of great college players never hear much of them on sunday

 

[MILF Man]

Did the winner ever cry like a baby! How embarrassing!

I wonder if Kleenex will offer him a big contract now. :rofl:

 

[rwill25]

i dont know where your getting your stats???? bama has 12 national titles...i guess your starting the first year the okl showboats won the first...need to check up.....and little little heisman trophy chasers=1 man teams is why okl is where they are now.....is bradford the only man in okl that can throw a football.......if bamas qb went down ..we got 3 more.....(we need a football chat room to fight in) :rofl2:

bama will never be a one man team..today we see eye to eye its a college award not a nfl award which a player earned for his game in ncaa..and like you said..you cant take that away from them. does anyone know what year peyton manning or tom brady won the heisman..i cant find them on the list:rofl:

I don't think Alabama is a "one man team", but this was your earlier claim. Oh, have you changed.

The biggest knock on Bradford was that he had too much help.

 

[icerfan]

Robert Smith follows that by de-constructing Ingram on the basis that he only faced 1 top 40 (No. 1 UF) defense all season (not sure about that but I assume he's right).

In rushing defense, he's right, UF was 13th, next best was LSU at 44th. :2 cents:

Gerhart faced ASU (18th), Arizona (22nd), Cal (27th) and Oregon (38th)

Gerhart got ROBBED!

 

[titsrock]

Peyton Manning finished second in the Heisman and lost out to Charles Woodson. He was projected to be the #1 overall draftpick and, we'd have to say, has FAR EXCEEDED his pro expectations....

Shaun Alexander has been the only Bama NFL talent that has mattered in recent memory. Maybe there's an obscure OL or DL on some team somewhere...but by and large Bama has not fed the NFL with difference-makers. That will change, but probably not with Ingram...

 

[CunningStunts]

I think any one of the top 4 candidates for the Trophy could have won it... but Ingram set himself apart with huge games against tough opponents and lead his team to the BCS CG. McCoy was the closest to INgram in this regard, but did not have very good numbers against the few good defense he played against this year. Suh would have been my #1, but as a UA alum, I'm glad to see a great kid like Mark bring home long overdue a trophy to T-town.:thumbsup:

 

[D-rock]

today we see eye to eye its a college award not a nfl award which a player earned for his game in ncaa..and like you said..you cant take that away from them. does anyone know what year peyton manning or tom brady won the heisman..i cant find them on the list:rofl:

I could accept that if...IF...they actually gave it to the person that was the best player in college football that year, but they don't. They pretty much automatically give it to a person that was a running back or quarterback on one of the top teams with decent stats, which sometimes is the case, but all too often is not. My God, when you have the person winning the Heisman being drafter well down or completely out of the first round, like Troy Smith for example, I'm sorry there is just no way that person was the best player in college football. Maybe if some team needed a specific player of a certain position or a certain type of player I could see a FEW teams passing the best player up for somebody else (Once in a great while the best people in college football might also be passed up because they are considered to hit their celing for their talents, but that is rare.) When whole tens of players go ahead of you (or worse), they were better than you, no question about it. How far down does everybody think Teblow is going to get drafted? There is no way he's was the best player either. How far do people think Igram is going to go? Does anybody think Suh isn’t going to go ahead of him, let alone some of the other people he was up against?

I also wouldn’t use Payton Manning as an example considering him not winning it was one of the most controversial decisions for the Heisman ever. It's also highly ironic the only time a defensive player actually wins it over a quarterback or running back it was the wrong decision. Pointing out all the great people that haven't won the Heisman is something that shows how crappy it's judged, not something that shows how good the winners of it are.